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if everything has a purpose....
    #22343251 - 10/06/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

than what might be the purpose of diseases,virus's, etc... are they for genetic modification and/or genetic engineering?


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343346 - 10/06/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Who said everything had a purpose?


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22343360 - 10/06/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Who said everything had a purpose?




who said it doesn't?


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343433 - 10/06/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

someone once told me that only the strong survive.  i still am not sure how to interpret that comment as it was out of the blue.  maybe with time i will understand?  maybe i already know what he meant...who knows?


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343437 - 10/06/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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enlightened seed said:
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Who said everything had a purpose?




who said it doesn't?




I say it doesn't.  Purpose requires a purporter... The answer to your question is entirely relevant on which purporter you choose to appeal too.  Your question assumes (incorrectly) that there is some inherent purpose that exists outside of want or intent.

There is no purpose of a virus.  They exist as a function of evolution in their environment.  There is what they do and what they don't do.  Any purpose beyond that is your call to project onto them, your choice to purport.  If you want to think their "purpose" is to reproduce, that is your prerogative but that doesn't change or add anything to our picture of how they interact, where they came from and what they can/will do.  Genetic modification by taking over a cell is what they do, its how they reproduce.


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343451 - 10/06/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I think that the fact that 'only the strong survive' is quite tangible and is easily observable in nature.

I am not sure why you mention this?

The fact that everything has a purpose is, for now at least, a very abstract concept.

You say 'if everything has a purpose, than what might be the purpose of diseases,virus's, etc?'

I could say, in response 'if nothing has a purpose, than what might be the purpose of diseases,virus's, etc?'

I'm sure we could go round in circles with this one. But what would be the point?


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22343464 - 10/06/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, I think that the fact that 'only the strong survive' is quite tangible and is easily observable in nature.

I am not sure why you mention this?

The fact that everything has a purpose is, for now at least, a very abstract concept.

You say 'if everything has a purpose, than what might be the purpose of diseases,virus's, etc?'

I could say, in response 'if nothing has a purpose, than what might be the purpose of diseases,virus's, etc?'

I'm sure we could go round in circles with this one. But what would be the point?




just curious on your thoughts... if something does not have a purpose than why does it exist?


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343499 - 10/06/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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just curious on your thoughts... if something does not have a purpose than why does it exist?



I wouldn't even pretend to know the answer to such a thing brother. The fact that anything exists at all (whether it has a purpose or not) blows my mind.

I think it would be the height of arrogance for any human to presume to know the answer to your question.


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22343520 - 10/06/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

answers to the questions my mind somehow comes up with is what i am seeking.  i am merely looking for answers, that is all.


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343532 - 10/06/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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answers to the questions my mind somehow comes up with is what i am seeking.  i am merely looking for answers, that is all.



Yeah, good luck with that one! What makes you think that you're gonna find answers to questions which no human, in the course of 1.8 million years (give or take), has found?


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--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343539 - 10/06/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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enlightened seed said:
just curious on your thoughts... if something does not have a purpose than why does it exist?





It's almost like the why is the excess. Why it happens doesn't really matter, the what where and when do.
That is what composes its existence. Sometimes I wonder if its only us that create the why.

Without someone to question, is there a question?
Is there a use for 'why?'


Edited by Tropism (10/06/15 11:49 PM)


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22343564 - 10/06/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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enlightened seed said:
answers to the questions my mind somehow comes up with is what i am seeking.  i am merely looking for answers, that is all.



Yeah, good luck with that one! What makes you think that you're gonna find answers to questions which no human, in the course of 1.8 million years (give or take), has found?





it dose not hurt to try and get other peoples opinions.  i am not sure most(or a large majority) of people can think outside of the box so to speak.  one day someone will figure out the truth(and hopefully spread it.)


Edited by enlightened seed (10/06/15 11:54 PM)


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Tropism]
    #22343596 - 10/07/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thinking 'outside the box' is not limited to asking such unknowable (IMO) questions. How about thinking outside the box in regards to questioning the life that society has suggested we should live?

Surely, in terms of 'making people think' a far wiser path is contemplating what is here, in front of us, right now? As Trop says:

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Tropism said:
Why it happens doesn't really matter, the what where and when do.



One can always ask questions about God, spacetime, etc. But with a limited time on this planet, would it not be a more worthwhile use of this time to question how to be a better person, or be kinder to others, than to contemplate such abstract concepts?

The things of which you speak remind me of the kind of things I used to contemplate when I was 15 years old and stoned. IMO, they have little place or use.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22343624 - 10/07/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
Thinking 'outside the box' is not limited to asking such unknowable (IMO) questions. How about thinking outside the box in regards to questioning the life that society has suggested we should live?

Surely, in terms of 'making people think' a far wiser path is contemplating what is here, in front of us, right now? As Trop says:

Quote:

Tropism said:
Why it happens doesn't really matter, the what where and when do.



One can always ask questions about God, spacetime, etc. But with a limited time on this planet, would it not be a more worthwhile use of this time to question how to be a better person, or be kinder to others, than to contemplate such abstract concepts?

The things of which you speak remind me of the kind of things I used to contemplate when I was 15 years old and stoned. IMO, they have little place or use.




to each their own.  the truth is not for everyone.  sometimes it is just better to go along with what is referred to as society and play your part.


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343646 - 10/07/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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to each their own.  the truth is not for everyone.  sometimes it is just better to go along with what is referred to as society and play your part.



Are you insinuating that I do not search for truth and 'go along with what is referred to as society', simply because I refuse to enter into your thought experiments?


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    #22343663 - 10/07/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: did not want to ruffle anyone's feathers.



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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343670 - 10/07/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i am not doing thought experiments, for one (i can not get my hands on the equipment) just seeing what people think.


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22343703 - 10/07/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

natural selection.  killing off the weak.


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22343718 - 10/07/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Thinking 'outside the box' is not limited to asking such unknowable (IMO) questions. How about thinking outside the box in regards to questioning the life that society has suggested we should live?

Surely, in terms of 'making people think' a far wiser path is contemplating what is here, in front of us, right now? As Trop says:

Quote:

Tropism said:
Why it happens doesn't really matter, the what where and when do.



One can always ask questions about God, spacetime, etc. But with a limited time on this planet, would it not be a more worthwhile use of this time to question how to be a better person, or be kinder to others, than to contemplate such abstract concepts?

The things of which you speak remind me of the kind of things I used to contemplate when I was 15 years old and stoned. IMO, they have little place or use.





I get grumpy really easily, then sometimes in reflection it occurs to me that I'm that grump in someone else's life. :sad:


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Re: if everything has a purpose.... [Re: sprinkles]
    #22343722 - 10/07/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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natural selection.  killing off the weak.





what you said seems logical.  it happens in nature. it just so happens we (humans) are at the top if the food chain, or so i have been lead to believe.  not a day goes by that humans do not kill humans.  i guess it is just a part of life.


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