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drgreen89
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starting a new medical grow, need soem advice
#22340163 - 10/06/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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tried a few methods, messed up a few methods, i do consider myself quite ok, I've had loads of mush in cakes, i can only seem to cake ,
i cant seem to get bulk tek working,
but, i am starting a grow medicina ly due to finding extreme benefit in shrooms for my anxiety sweats and migraines, also some Friends want to try too so i said i would get it going again,
i normally just brown rice vermic cake, and birth into a chamber i designed myself called cheaper than the cheap tek cause it is nothing but a plastic tub, few holes and cotton wool with perlite,
my last run i did was in plastic tubs and all mould ed,
i cant find jars cheap enough where i am,
any alternatives? any advice, i just need to grow alot simply and cheaply
i saw something about in bags..but i cant fi dn much on it now..
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: drgreen89]
#22340179 - 10/06/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Need some more info on your failed attempts..
What tek did you follow that didn't work out? Did you follow all the steps exactly or did you change anything? What stage did the failure happen at and what exactly happened?
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: pixelpopper]
#22340239 - 10/06/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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it was contams, m guessing from plastic tubs...bt sure is een ppl use them before
and also coir bulk tek never seems to take
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: drgreen89]
#22340320 - 10/06/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, you're not really telling us anything at all with that response. If you want any help then you need to post specific details of exactly what you did and what happened.
You don't really seem to have an understanding of what you're trying to do.. the only thing I could recommend at this point is to read a lot and search anything that you have questions about.
There are a bunch of links in this thread that should be enough to get the ball rolling: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18657404
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need some advice [Re: pixelpopper]
#22341162 - 10/06/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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sorry im not too good explaining things i struggle ,
my pf tek was fine in glass jars, i did the exactly same in plastic and everything wh ent green in weeks, i Dino how to describe that any more,
my bulk tek, i did with jars and the coir method wr aped and ba ged it in the dark, as was told to, and 6 weeks pass nothing there ,
i tried another ba gn which didnt do anything, i left it that long i fagot about it, 6 MONTH later i fou dn it and it was white ish, birthed it and it Gere mushrooms but due to the time frame i believe the nutrition was depleted, they was big spacey and hollow,
my aim is i want to try and do some more i liked pf in jars , i was hopi nh a cheaper alternative to £20 12 jars i have to break each time cause the lip stops the shit coming out.
so thats why i tried plastic tubs, cheaper and smother,
im hoping i can do something similar to my pf cakes, and fruiting ch ambre, but on a Alger scale? a different method thats cheap...
i have seen people on pics doing it in shroom bags and saying how they get more area to do it doing it in bags and it keeps it easy but i cant fi dn this guy ide, so th rot id ask you lot
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need some advice [Re: drgreen89]
#22341187 - 10/06/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Huh? Perhaps instead of going bulk you should stick with something simple- less likely to contaminate? Once you get a grow under your belt, move on to bigger and better things?
Your tub doesn't need to be wrapped or in the dark. It was believed that sunlight initiated pinning, but that has since been disproven.
As for everything else you ranted on about.... I'm not sure I follow.
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: drgreen89]
#22341272 - 10/06/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you can grow cakes, but having trouble with bulk....
Grow your cakes out as normal, but when 100% shred them up (with a cheese grater or by hand) and mix 1:1 to 1:3 with a bulk substrate. (1 part shredded cakes to 1-3 parts substrate).
A simple substrate could be 50% coco coir (cheap) and 50% vermiculite (which you have). All you need to do is hydrate to field capacity and then pasteurize it, which is just heating it up between 140F-160F for an hour (in a water bath or microwave). Get the substrate to an internal temp of 140F and turn the heat off and it should stay in that temperature range). There are other recipes you can try, but this is the cheapest/simplest.
Mix it up and place in cheap aluminum trays. Allow mycelium to colonize substrate and either fruit in a tub or I've been just using the clear plastic tops that come with the trays (I get deep aluminum trays and are about 3" tall - 6" with the plastic lid)
If you can grow cakes, you should be able to do this just fine. It's just using cakes in place of rye/wbs spawn in a bare-bones bulk method. It should increase your yield significantly.
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: WolfieNuke]
#22341478 - 10/06/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks man, can i ask what you colonise in do you use maison jars or do you have somthign cheaper ^^?
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: drgreen89]
#22341502 - 10/06/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mason jars are pretty cheap considering you can reuse them. I think there are areas you don't want to skimp on and risk contamination.
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: Kalistis]
#22341584 - 10/06/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can use anything that has a wide enough top to allow the substrate to be easily removed. I generally use a transparent drinking glass, or microwave safe transparent food storage container, presuming a jar isn't available. Don't make them too large for your sterilizing equipment 
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If you wanna try your luck again with bulk, spawn from grain to pasteurized coir in a mono, seems to do pretty good from what I've seen.
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22343801 - 10/07/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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can i ask on yotu glass cups what you use on the top?? just tinfoil? i thaught that wud give more contams,
im gona do this,
haha i fodun the bag im on about i think,,, can you gues tell me if this is a viable way to do it? https://mycotopia.net/topic/51005-lazy-cakes-spawn-bag-tek/
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: drgreen89]
#22343853 - 10/07/15 02:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have used whiskey glasses with two layers of foil before with 100% success.
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: Jeff Vader]
#22344074 - 10/07/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The thing you want to keep in mind about cutting corners and using things like a glass w/ foil instead of a mason jar: it can be done and probably fairly easy to do without problems, but you're still increasing your chance of failure every time you cut corners... if you're trying to save money, is it really worth it when you lose all the time/work you put into preparation and waiting, plus lost spores and substrate isn't free, although cheap...
I say just spend $8 on a box of jars and you're set for many grows
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: pixelpopper]
#22345635 - 10/07/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah defo, $8 jars damn u guys lucky over there , 12 jars here with straight sides, sets me $25 and i have to break each to get the solid block out lol,
but yeah its worth it i had some insane yields, so amazon here i come lol,
found unicorn spawn bags also, im gona give 2 a test,
i give you a challenge to find some uk jars price you pay in the usa :P hours i spent and you get the round ball jars cheap straight sides cheap but unable to take heat, or straight side liek you lot have and a whoping price lol
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: drgreen89]
#22346069 - 10/07/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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drgreen89 said: it was contams, m guessing from plastic tubs...bt sure is een ppl use them before
and also coir bulk tek never seems to take
Plastic wouldn't have anything to do with it...
And coir is one of the easiest and contamination resistant substrate to work with....
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#22346347 - 10/07/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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99% of the time your contams are in your spawn, you won't see them usually untill your tubs are fruited.. With the exception of bacteria which is more detectable.
If you want to learn bulk we can help you, but you cant cut corners everything has to be on point. Let me know if you want some help getting pointed in direction
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: mushpunx]
#22346810 - 10/07/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can use ziploc containers for the jars instead to save on cost and breaking them down. They make a couple sizes that I've used successfully instead of glass jars. Just make sure they have a recycling code of pp5 on the bottom. They can be steam sterilized or pressure cooked. Gotta make it so they don't touch the pot though or might melt.
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: drgreen89]
#22346851 - 10/07/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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drgreen89 said: yeah defo, $8 jars damn u guys lucky over there , 12 jars here with straight sides, sets me $25 and i have to break each to get the solid block out lol,
but yeah its worth it i had some insane yields, so amazon here i come lol,
found unicorn spawn bags also, im gona give 2 a test,
i give you a challenge to find some uk jars price you pay in the usa :P hours i spent and you get the round ball jars cheap straight sides cheap but unable to take heat, or straight side liek you lot have and a whoping price lol
are u tellin me that they dont sell wide mouth pints where u live really
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Quote:
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drgreen89 said: yeah defo, $8 jars damn u guys lucky over there , 12 jars here with straight sides, sets me $25 and i have to break each to get the solid block out lol,
but yeah its worth it i had some insane yields, so amazon here i come lol,
found unicorn spawn bags also, im gona give 2 a test,
i give you a challenge to find some uk jars price you pay in the usa :P hours i spent and you get the round ball jars cheap straight sides cheap but unable to take heat, or straight side liek you lot have and a whoping price lol
are u tellin me that they dont sell wide mouth pints where u live really
Man that really sucks if that's the case!
So nobody cans anything in the UK?
You could probably purchase a set of jars from an ebay seller and have them shipped over, but maybe you can find some of the plastic containers referenced above.
May also want to check out any mushroom supply shops online, a lot of them sell supplies including the bags you were talking about. Last time I bought bags was from Sporeworks, but I'm sure there's gotta be some shops more in the UK area for you.
I like to use the bags for growing mushrooms for sporeprints. Leave the bag closed till some caps break away and keeps 'em nice and sterile for printing. Otherwise I'd remove the cake from the bag and put into fruiting chamber for best results with flushes... but in your case you're wanting to do bulk so you'd just crumble into spawn once its ready
Edited by pixelpopper (10/08/15 05:53 AM)
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Re: starting a new medical grow, need soem advice [Re: pixelpopper]
#22350678 - 10/08/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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yup i am, you find the odd ball jar and crap mainly sweetkinda jars, i have gone thru every shop and online its near impossible online there espensive too its liker $3 a jar and postage lol
but il pay it, it just sucks i wish we had wallmart it sounds like a dream lol
as for bulking bro if u want il give it ashot again, ur pic looks amazing,
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