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GoldenGrowBoy
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BRF jar storage
#22339411 - 10/06/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey all I just filled 8 1/2 pint jars with 2 parts verm, 1 part H20 and 1 part BRF. I wanted to get this step out of the way so that when my spores arrive I can inoculate immediately. But my question was will all of the water remain in the jars until my spores arrive (between 1-2 weeks) I put masking tape over holes and foil over the top. Thanks any advice on anything would be really appreciated. I just hope the mycelium has something to drink!
-------------------- Hey I'm a new grower and new to mushrooming in general I hope to learn as much about mushrooms as I possibly can I may be going to graduate school for mycology in the future, but I'm 27 and need money. But hell life's right in front of me, nothing to look forward to. Best of luck to all.
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Lofetospoon9
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Hey friend welcome to an awesome place. The place where anything you need To know about p. cubes is at the length of a search.
That being said, youre missing a step. Sterilization.
If you did this already, waiting too long before inoculation could and probably will Increase your contamination rate. (Failure)
If you havent, those jars will be gross as hell in 2 weeks. No chance of Spores germinating.
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pixelpopper
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Yeah sterilize your jars and you're good to wait for your spores. I would recommend wiping the outsides of your jars down with alcohol prior to innoc since they have been sitting out, but not really necessary.
But like said above, its better to do everything fresh... maybe wait until the spores have been shipped for a few days already at least.
Edited by pixelpopper (10/06/15 02:20 AM)
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GoldenGrowBoy
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So it would be better to sterilize them now and do you think I should redo the jars in a week or so or just sterilize now and maybe again before inoculation? Thanks for speedy responses this site has been such a useful tool and I thank everyone on it.
-------------------- Hey I'm a new grower and new to mushrooming in general I hope to learn as much about mushrooms as I possibly can I may be going to graduate school for mycology in the future, but I'm 27 and need money. But hell life's right in front of me, nothing to look forward to. Best of luck to all.
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Lofetospoon9
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No i wouldnt reccomend mixing early at all. Dont get ahead of yourself.
Ever heard of an bacterial endospore? Search for that.
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GoldenGrowBoy said: just sterilize now and maybe again before inoculation
This is what I would do in your situation. I have waited weeks before inoculating both grains and brf with no ill effects.
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GoldenGrowBoy
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Wow endospores are scary and I'm guessing mushrooms cannot grow in the company of them so would suggest emptying my jars or just waiting and if I see anything then dump them and sterilize the jars, thanks tips are greatly appreciated.
-------------------- Hey I'm a new grower and new to mushrooming in general I hope to learn as much about mushrooms as I possibly can I may be going to graduate school for mycology in the future, but I'm 27 and need money. But hell life's right in front of me, nothing to look forward to. Best of luck to all.
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pixelpopper
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As long as you sterilize your jars properly you shouldnt have anything to worry about. You can sterilize again but its not even needed.
Just try to keep the time between minimalized as much as possible. you already need to leave the jars to cool for several hours so i'd just do it the day before when possible
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Mad Season
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Yeah except endospores are found in dirty ass grains. Definitely not ground rice flour. If there were endospores, you'd HAVE to pc them. However a good old 90 min boil/steam works for pf tek because of the lack of endospores.
Edited by Mad Season (10/07/15 01:06 AM)
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GoldenGrowBoy
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Awesome sounds good, my jars are sitting in air-tight containers right now so should I just go with my original plan and sterilize the day before my spore come? Thanks again.
-------------------- Hey I'm a new grower and new to mushrooming in general I hope to learn as much about mushrooms as I possibly can I may be going to graduate school for mycology in the future, but I'm 27 and need money. But hell life's right in front of me, nothing to look forward to. Best of luck to all.
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Lofetospoon9
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Shrooms will grow under some bad conditions. We all know that. But time and time Again people encourage technique that isnt ideal. Because "it works." Idk what tek says to mix your substrate 2 week in advancement of inoc. But that sounds unwise to me. Whats the purpose? "Getting it out of the way."?
As a relatively new grower, ive taken to high standards, for high results.
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Mad Season
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Cool stuff. But as long as it's sterile, and has a dry verm layer to provide protection, it will be fine. Might lose some hydration, but I've had 1 stupid tampanensis jar take 3 months to germinate, and it still grew out. Also have had plenty of stuff take a month or 2 to germinate.
Imo he will be fine. He can always just make more jars when need be
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just dont play with your jars while ya wait
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GoldenGrowBoy
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Re: BRF jar storage [Re: cronicr]
#22347954 - 10/07/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will redo the jars it seems only safe with no water loss or maybe I could use a turkey baster to put a little water I the jars
-------------------- Hey I'm a new grower and new to mushrooming in general I hope to learn as much about mushrooms as I possibly can I may be going to graduate school for mycology in the future, but I'm 27 and need money. But hell life's right in front of me, nothing to look forward to. Best of luck to all.
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pixelpopper
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Lofetospoon9 said: Shrooms will grow under some bad conditions. We all know that. But time and time Again people encourage technique that isnt ideal. Because "it works." Idk what tek says to mix your substrate 2 week in advancement of inoc. But that sounds unwise to me. Whats the purpose? "Getting it out of the way."?
As a relatively new grower, ive taken to high standards, for high results.
Ah, no one has encouraged anything. In fact it has been repeated that its not ideal. We've only stated that it will work, which is true. The only misinformation given in this thread is from yourself
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Mad Season
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GoldenGrowBoy said: I will redo the jars it seems only safe with no water loss or maybe I could use a turkey baster to put a little water I the jars
You should have just ended it there no to the baster. Always just make new jars. Tho I see no harm in inoculating your already made jars, provided there's no visible contams
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Lofetospoon9
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Quote:
pixelpopper said:
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Lofetospoon9 said: Shrooms will grow under some bad conditions. We all know that. But time and time Again people encourage technique that isnt ideal. Because "it works." Idk what tek says to mix your substrate 2 week in advancement of inoc. But that sounds unwise to me. Whats the purpose? "Getting it out of the way."?
As a relatively new grower, ive taken to high standards, for high results.
Ah, no one has encouraged anything. In fact it has been repeated that its not ideal. We've only stated that it will work, which is true. The only misinformation given in this thread is from yourself
Nope sorry friend Something /was/ encouraged. Not ideal conditions. I didnt say it wouldnt work. In fact we both said the same thing lol. That its not ideal. Yes it will work. But what happened to "no innovating" innovation is what im talking anout here. Without it, a LOT of peoples time could be saved here.
He probably wants to get it out of the way because he os trying to be stealthy. Cause its probably Illegal to do where he lives. Sketchy mycology is a shame.
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Mad Season
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Ok well sure I agree to an extent, but I don't agree with no innovation. There's a reason why we tell people to search for things within the last few years. If it weren't for innovation, we'd still be misting the walls of our chambers and not directly, and thinking 99% relative humidity is the shit. That we need poor man pods and to fruit in bags if we do bulk. That misting aborts mushrooms. And all the other outdated info.
Still this really isn't even innovative lol. It's just laziness. Something that I use every day in all my aspects of life I actually inoculated some oat jars yesterday that were over a week old.. my pc broke last week so I had to finish all my prep work over the last week after I got my new pc.
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Lofetospoon9
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Even better than my way of thinking ^
Agreed friend
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