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Stevefrench
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Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ?
#22338589 - 10/05/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks in advance , i do also have some pro mix plant mix around
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Stevefrench]
#22338683 - 10/05/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes coir makes a good casing layer, the mycelium will colonize it faster than a normal 50/50 peat and verm mix, because it is a lot more nutritious. People tend to fruit it right away, others like to wait till 30% of the surface is colonized, but that's completely up to you.
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22338834 - 10/05/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you wait until 30% with coir the whole thing will likely be devoured by the time you see pins.
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 It sure will...I cased with CVG at 100%...waited until the myc was poking through about 30% and this is what it looks like now...devoured my casing.
I lied, got them confused...that tub is actually cased with jiffy...
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22339297 - 10/06/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coir isn't a casing, because it's too nutritious to work in teh way casings are supposed to work.
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Achillita]
#22339361 - 10/06/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It can work fine as a casing...I prefer a verm/coir mix if using it though.
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Achillita
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It's not really a casing layer though. You can't use it to fruit ATL7, because the myc just eats it and colonizes it. A casing layer needs to be low in ntrition and provide the microclimate needed to produce mushrooms(or start pins for cubes).
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Achillita]
#22339387 - 10/06/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know that. Pasty uses coir/verm casing layers all the time too. I save leftover sub from the bucket for a late casing and fruit right away. Sometimes I'll have the tub fruiting for 2-3 days before I even case...with PE in particular. The myc is already in fruiting mode so it works. It does however get consumed more often than other casing layers yes.
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Achillita]
#22339391 - 10/06/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wrong, coir works just fine for pans cubes tapms alt mexicana libs and others but those I ave dne or seen done myself
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: cronicr]
#22339395 - 10/06/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My second favorite casing material!
Coir isn't too nutritious for ANYTHING...
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Violet]
#22339398 - 10/06/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: cronicr]
#22339424 - 10/06/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really? I swear I've seen you or pasty say that coir isn't a good casing because it's too nutritious and cubes(and other mycelium) will just consume it.
Wait you mean I coulda been using coir, then having to get a peat block?! That woulda been so much easier.
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Achillita]
#22339530 - 10/06/15 02:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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People may have said that but point is it still works. For sure.
I believe the thought was that coir would be ENTIRELY colonized as a casing. But everything I have ever used got completely colonized anyway. Personally I prefer my casing layers to be fully colonized. I don't see why not. Given, the way *I* use them they're necessary as a low-nutrition pinning site which my cakes need in order to pin, as Cubensis needs that condition to pin. But I think it may even be best to fully colonize it. Defends it from contams. And the casing still fulfills all its purposes, even when colonized totally.
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Achillita]
#22339552 - 10/06/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achillita said: It's not really a casing layer though. You can't use it to fruit ATL7, because the myc just eats it and colonizes it. A casing layer needs to be low in ntrition and provide the microclimate needed to produce mushrooms(or start pins for cubes).
I have used coir/verm and only coir/verm to case ATL7 and it works like a charm. As long as you provide enough FAE and keep the casing moist, you don't have to worry about a thing.
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Achillita]
#22339873 - 10/06/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Really? I swear I've seen you or pasty say that coir isn't a good casing because it's too nutritious and cubes(and other mycelium) will just consume it.
Wait you mean I coulda been using coir, then having to get a peat block?! That woulda been so much easier.
Ya never saw me post that, at least not in the last couple years. I love a coir casing, pretty much my go to casing material. Nearly every cased grow I have done in the last 2 years has been cased with coir. Coir is slightly at risk of being consumed by the colony but, so is peat. There are ways around that anyway.
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22340008 - 10/06/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22340507 - 10/06/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Pastywhyte said:
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Achillita said: Really? I swear I've seen you or pasty say that coir isn't a good casing because it's too nutritious and cubes(and other mycelium) will just consume it.
Wait you mean I coulda been using coir, then having to get a peat block?! That woulda been so much easier.
Ya never saw me post that, at least not in the last couple years. I love a coir casing, pretty much my go to casing material. Nearly every cased grow I have done in the last 2 years has been cased with coir. Coir is slightly at risk of being consumed by the colony but, so is peat. There are ways around that anyway.
coir or peat can easily be taken over or just as easily be stopped
 hard to the casing layer(not a bad thing) but it didnt' get eaten
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: cronicr]
#22371733 - 10/13/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I ended up crumbling one of my cakes and putting it in a clean takeout container and put a loosely packed layer of coir over it , snapped the lid on and poked a few holes. my shotgun FC is about just above 60F hope that's not much too cold, have few PF style cakes in there made from WBS that im trying to get to pin
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Stevefrench]
#22371754 - 10/13/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What are these ways of stopping the coir from getting colonized? Last few times I tried casing with it it got ate right up.
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Re: Can coco coir alone be used as a casing layer ? [Re: Inocuole]
#22371875 - 10/13/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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