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Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas
    #22338559 - 10/05/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was hoping it would be an annual thing. A place for all shroomerites to show off their grafting skills and go for the glory. But I haven't seen one for this year.

I would be very interested in another competition.

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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #22339553 - 10/06/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The last one we ran got off to a good start, but by the end, I think there was only 3 of us left across the various categories. That kinda dampens enthusiasm to run another!
Maybe we could plan one for spring time, a flip from the previous ones running across northern hemisphere winters, if there seems to be enough call for it.  :strokebeard:


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #22339723 - 10/06/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm in. :wink:


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: LSoares]
    #22339806 - 10/06/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22342110 - 10/06/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would enter this time now that I realize it's not as difficult as I assumed it would be. I've followed all of the competitions since I've been a member here, but have never participated.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: prismism]
    #22342291 - 10/06/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I tried for the last one and basically dropped out when I moved.
But if we held another I would be in it to win it.

We don't even have to have prizes donated, although it does make it more interesting.

And growlogs are great and all, but people don't always post enough pictures to keep things interesting. With the competition, picture documentation is required and gives us more cactus porn than we could ever hope for. :dancer:


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #22344374 - 10/07/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I only have 3 grafts at the moment, and only one of them, would be worth showing. I have already posted images of it in other forum areas. It is taking off now finally looking real nice. (Ariocarpus fissuratus v. hintonii), On Pereskiopsis porteri.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22344402 - 10/07/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For the grafting competition we start from scratch, kizatzhaddarak; meaning, from the seed (of the scion, of course).


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: LSoares]
    #22344474 - 10/07/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Does it matter what kind of seedling/s and base? the last contest was pretty specific as to species. I suppose like the last one (which I just read). . . there will probably have to be different Catagories. So then, I suppose I have to germinate seed specifically for this event.

Do the graft bases have to be (rooted at the same time as germination, or can they already be started and ready to accept the scion?) IE, Do we have to root our graft bases from the get go, too?

I am unsure with the conditions in my area, house, outside.. etc. . if I can get the graft to flower in (9-mo time); as was the time frame from the last contest, But I can for sure keep a graft log for the contest.

I would be interested in this contest, as well. I suppose someone should sponsor it, and clearly define all rules and parameters, as before.

but,.. I am in.  I'll keep an eye on threads for this.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22344554 - 10/07/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, sounds interesting. But we need clear rules and someone to be the head of the event.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Argyreia]
    #22344781 - 10/07/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Let's use this thread for suggestions for categories, and rules & conditions for a future event :smile:

Maybe aim something for spring, giving people time to prepare stock, acquire seed and so on.

For reference, these were the past 2 we ran:

Grafting Competition 2012/2013

Cactus Grafting Competition 2013/2014

I liked naum's choice of categories in the last one

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    Quickest to Flower Lophophora
    Quickest to Flower Astrophytum
    Quickest to Flower Turbinicarpus


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #22344916 - 10/07/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It sounds awesome. I'm already preparing an army of stocks. We should add quickest ariocarpus to flower. :grin:


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Argyreia]
    #22345284 - 10/07/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

As with the legalities from before.. some people can't or (shouldn't) grow some species for legality reasons.

Might I suggest the following genus: Trichocereus, Gymnocalycium, Ariocarpus, Astrophytum, Mammillaria, Turbinicarpus, and (Other). 

Other could be just about any other single species plant as there are a few of those cacti in taxonomy.

Or maybe simplified catagories: columnear, minature, medium sized globe, or barrel. I dunno. .. I suppose I am just brainstorming.

The thing is even grafted some plants have differing growth rates and flowering cycles.. . so. . I dunno. We could do a single genus, too I suppose.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #22346749 - 10/07/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Let's use this thread for suggestions for categories, and rules & conditions for a future event :smile:

Maybe aim something for spring, giving people time to prepare stock, acquire seed and so on.

For reference, these were the past 2 we ran:

Grafting Competition 2012/2013

Cactus Grafting Competition 2013/2014

I liked naum's choice of categories in the last one

Quote:

Species Specific:

    Quickest to Flower Lophophora
    Quickest to Flower Astrophytum
    Quickest to Flower Turbinicarpus


Overall:

    Best Freak
    Most Beautiful Scion
    Best Grafting







I agree with those categories, however if anyone sows L. alberto vojtechii it should be placed in its own category due to its natural tendency to flower much younger and smaller than other lophs.

We should add a few more sections to the overall category as well. The more options we have for people to attempt to win, the more contestants will come flowing in. And hopefully more than 3 people will stick it out to the end.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #22347160 - 10/07/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm in  :uptosomething:


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: spaceman101]
    #22349251 - 10/08/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I am In, for sure. . Its just I need to know what seed to get.. and if I can use rooted grafting stock.. or If I have to root mine.

I am in it for the long haul regardless of how long it takes to get mine to flower. lol


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22349513 - 10/08/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Rules:
  • Be honest; cheaters ruin it for everyone.
  • Be respectful
  • Have fun!

  • Take lots of photos. It keeps the contest interesting and documentation showing the progression of your work is required.
  • Post progression photos in this thread at least once a month, but please not any more than once a week (except for timelapses of course). If you do not, your entry may be disqualified.

  • All scion seed must be sown after 12:00 PM UTC September 12, 2013.
  • No new scion seed may be sown after 12:00 PM UTC November 12, 2013.
  • There are no limitations on stock: anything goes.
  • You may re-graft whenever you feel like it.
  • You may sow as many seeds as you'd like.
  • You may make as many grafts as you'd like.
  • You must sow your own seed and make your own grafts
  • Normal, hybrid, irradiated, chemically treated, etc. seeds are all allowed.
  • In vitro treatments and micropropogation are allowed.

  • Quickest to Flower time will be decided determined using the flower post time minus the sow date picture post time. This means you need to take a picture and post a picture of when you sow and when you see your flower.
  • The deadline to challenge a Quickest to Flower entry is 62 days from the first flower posted per species category. This is to allow for a challenge from someone who sowed later in the 2 month sowing window.

  • Overall contest entries may be from any seed originating from a member the Cactaceae not just the 3 quickest to flower genera.
  • Overall categories will be judged ~10 months from the contest start date.
  • Overall categories winners will be decided by a popular vote.
  • You will be required to limit your final entries for the Overall contest polls to no more than 3 entries per category. For example, you can make 100+ grafts, but you cannot enter more than 3 into the best freak poll, 3 into the most beautiful poll, and 3 into the best graft poll.





Going from the last competition it looks like we can have whatever we want with grafting stocks, unless we all make some big changes to past years rules.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #22351993 - 10/08/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No grafting competition? 


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #22353288 - 10/09/15 05:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree with those categories, however if anyone sows L. alberto vojtechii it should be placed in its own category due to its natural tendency to flower much younger and smaller than other lophs.





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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #22353719 - 10/09/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed.

Hopefully we will have a seperate category for alberto vojtechii, we can't exclude these wonderful little guys! We just need to rally our users and get people hyped about this thing so we have a decent turn out.

I've been wanting to get my hands on some av seed myself but have been waiting for a decent paycheck;)


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #22353746 - 10/09/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, the main drawback to having categories for too rare or uncommon of a species/genus, is the lesser amount of entrants we would then see. Hopefully we can hash something out as inclusive as possible, within reason, without unbalancing entrants; as pointed out AV flower much sooner and would own a first to flower comp!. But of course if there looks to be enough support for something say an AV category, then we can go with it.

The greatest trich mass after a fixed period of time could be a fun one to try again too.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #22353993 - 10/09/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

and about a fixed number of seeds. well, that is not grafting i guess (trichs on own roots i suppose)

about AV i don't see myself having those seeds on my hands for the competition. I may have some from my own exemplars this year, but not in time for the competition, also i don't feel I will buy some, since so expensive and such poor experience at sowing.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #22357392 - 10/10/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Let's use this thread for suggestions for categories, and rules & conditions for a future event :smile:

Maybe aim something for spring, giving people time to prepare stock, acquire seed and so on.




Perhaps we should rename the thread so people know what it is for. Any ideas for that, guys?


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #22358126 - 10/10/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yea this thread probably needs it's name changed to something like

Grafting competition 2015 questions, comments and Ideas.


May be best to sticky it for a month or so too:grin:


I like the idea of having it again and being a part of it. Are there any prizes like maybe the winner could receive a number of interesting seeds to raise?


Maybe someone could set up a PO-box and ask for donations in seed form or make it a rule to join in you have to send a small amount of seed to add to the prize.

After thinking about that one a lil while I doubt it would work and probably just won't fit but I'll leave it up there just in case one of you guys can work on that idea to make it possible.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: spaceman101]
    #22358138 - 10/10/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe one of the sponsors and advertisers might want to advertise and or sponsor this project. I am sure if they learn of the competition the (prize) might materialize from (said company) as a donation.. and a lil lip service to the company name for the prize. . Otherwise, yeah.. maybe someone could set up a post office box.. etc.

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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22360214 - 10/10/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If we get this thing started I will put some mammilaria tetrancistra seeds I harvested this week for one of the prizes.

Presumably one of the harder to grow mammilaria species that is prone to rot. Luckily for me I have a wild plant growing in my yard to harvest seed from:)

As for the new thread title I like your idea Spaceman. If there are no objections or other suggestions I will change the name tomorrow.


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Re: So what happened to the grafting competitions? [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #22362436 - 10/11/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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As for the new thread title I like your idea Spaceman. If there are no objections or other suggestions I will change the name tomorrow.




Sounds good :smile:

Let's tentatively aim for a March start?

Anyone can contribute prizes, which will be divvied up between whatever categories we settle on.


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Re: Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #22362807 - 10/11/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Title changed. :dancer:

March is probably good. Most of us will get better results using the spring and summer sun to fuel pereskiopsis growth. :sun:


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Re: Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas [Re: Desert Delerium] * 1
    #22363021 - 10/11/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Title changed. :dancer:

March is probably good. Most of us will get better results using the spring and summer sun to fuel pereskiopsis growth. :sun:



At least most of us in the northern hemisphere. :wink:

(but that's only fair, the last competition started in September...)


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Re: Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas [Re: LSoares]
    #22611640 - 12/04/15 04:16 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

This needs a bump :smile:

Tentatively aiming for a start in March! The prize pool is growing.. :grin:

The categories will most likely be a repeat of what has gone before, with first and second places each winning a prize.

Species Specific:

   
  • Quickest to Flower Lophophora
  • Quickest to Flower Astrophytum
  • Quickest to Flower Turbinicarpus


Overall:

   
  • Best Freak
  • Most Beautiful Scion
  • Best Grafting


The overall categories will enable entrants to choose their species, so we can see a wider range. I don't want to run too many species specific beyond the most common many of us tend to grow and graft with, as entrants will be less, risking competition stagnation again...

First to flower categories will run until we have a 2nd winner. Best of categories to run for a fixed duration, then entrants put up for popular votes.

I'd like to get the rules and categories finalised by the solstice, setting a start date for the equinox, so we have 3 months to get prepared.

Please keep any suggestions coming!  :cheers:


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Re: Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #22611987 - 12/04/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Sooo... i guess we will be using only pereskypsis since they are the fastsest stock right?

My backup of peres at the moment, I left them without water for a bit...
anyhow, i will get some nice cuttings repotted in late gen/feb , so i can have good stocks for the competition.


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Re: Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #22611988 - 12/04/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Lem, Makes a good point. I will have to get my Peres, inside and start conditioning them for spring competition. Mine are still out in the cold-greenhouse. LOL


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Re: Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22615531 - 12/05/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Lem, Makes a good point. I will have to get my Peres, inside and start conditioning them for spring competition. Mine are still out in the cold-greenhouse. LOL



Personally my pereskiopsis are not really ready for grafting until late May/Early June, with my main growing months July and August.  By October they stall and go into a very slow growth period.  But that's just me.  Regardless, I'm sure I'll participate in some shape or form.  Missed the last one.  If you did early or mid-May as a compromise for those with later starting springs that would be cool.


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Re: Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22615556 - 12/05/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Well my thinking for a march start, is the northern hemisphere is then hitting 12/12. The later we start it, the shorter the season for all.
First to flower can still be beaten by a late entrant, as its total time from sowing to flowering that is counted, not the first to produce a flower after the start date. Entrance can be left open for a couple of months from the start date so those of us with later springs can still join in, if unable to get going sooner under lights.


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    #22615966 - 12/05/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

A seed pod on my Astrophytum caput-medusae split open today and spilled out 20 big, black seeds.  Now this plant is either self-fertile (who knows?)or the seeds are hybrid.  Either way they will be my seeds for a grafting competition.


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Re: Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas [Re: Spanishfly]
    #22617030 - 12/05/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I am so down. I missed the last competition. Been away for awhile, I'm so happy
to be back.

I've missed you guys :heart:

I will have something to throw down for the prize pool, what that may be is yet to be determined.:1up:


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    #22620246 - 12/06/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

So to be clear which species are going to be allowed?
Lophs, Astrophytum, Turbinicarpus right? Will Trichocereus species be allowed? Obviously not for flowering I would think it would take way to long for that lol.

also if I'm assuming correctly I can't sow the seeds or graft them to the stock until after the set date correct?


I really would like to participate in this so I'll probably be hunting for seeds to plant in March gonna mark it in my calendar just hope I can find some cheap....


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Re: Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas [Re: drakenov]
    #22620462 - 12/06/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

For the Best Freak, Most Beautiful Scion and Best Grafting categories, the choice of stock and scion is up to the entrant.


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    #22620488 - 12/06/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

and I'm guessing for those the seeds will still have to be planted on the set date too?


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    #22620502 - 12/06/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Sowing can begin any time after the start date. Graft as soon as you feel confident :smile:

Fastest to flower will be the time from each individuals sowing to flowering, not the first flower to be produced after the start date, as not everyone will be able to begin on the very first day.

In the best of categories, a small advantage can be gained by sowing as soon as possible. As this will be a popular vote and not based any specific attribute to signify a winner, we just have to do what we can in the time alloted.


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    #22620948 - 12/06/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

We need to be clear on the difference between Genus and species - Lophophora, Astrophytum, Trichocereus, Turbincarpus  are GENERA !!!


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    #22629787 - 12/08/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for that clarification Spanishfly :smile: I'm still a newb at this.

Got all my seeds ordered and can't wait to start this competion :smile: I actually had to replant all my pereskiopsis the other day so hoping they like the new medium and give me lots of new growth to graft on :laugh:


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    #22629798 - 12/08/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

A category for Trichocereus could be longest growth or something like that but maybe people in warmer climates would have an unfair advantage? I'm not sure....


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Re: Grafting Competition 2016 Questions, Comments, and Ideas [Re: drakenov]
    #22634734 - 12/09/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Posting to follow along. Very interested in this. Do you think its possible to procure some
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Posting to follow along. Very interested in this. Do you think its possible to procure some
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Sure is buddy. You have more than enough time:grin:


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A category for Trichocereus could be longest growth or something like that but maybe people in warmer climates would have an unfair advantage? I'm not sure....






When it comes to trichs along the pachanoi, Bridgesii and peruvianus lines I think the prize should go to the thickest growth. Maybe longest and thickest should be a point:grin:


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