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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: GrimTroll]
    #25316449 - 07/09/18 09:32 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I had a few bad tubs a couple weeks ago and i thought the spawn looked good. Sometimes its just hard to tell.

Post pics of the spawn jars before using them next time


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25316453 - 07/09/18 09:36 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I had a few bad tubs a couple weeks ago and i thought the spawn looked good. Sometimes its just hard to tell.





Yeah sometimes it happens despite best efforts and there's just not much to be done about it


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: pixelpopper]
    #25316464 - 07/09/18 09:42 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

:smile: That makes me feel quite a bit better.

Just gotta be persistent.

I will post pictures of my next jars before spawning; for sure.

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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: GrimTroll]
    #25316724 - 07/09/18 12:30 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Ugh, thanks man - at least I have two manure ones fruiting; so it's not the end of the world; just a little discouraging. I know the TEK is fine; but I'm obviously fucking somehting up.

Could my light be too close, thus heating it up too much on the surface?
I notice the top of the tub; though having the moisture ring from the light; also seemed to dry out the very middle surface of the substrate;  more than the edges. (Due to the circular nature of the light sitting on top)

Next go; I suppose I'll just be a bit more meticulous in the spawning.
I've never had this issue before; so I am also wondering if I am not getting the Coco Coir hot enough. (I am using a cooler, and letting it sit for an hour or two before breaking up, then I let sit in cooler to cool off overnight.

I dont know; try try again.




I wondered that about my lights as well -- the middle looks dried out and slightly sunken in compared to the sides, which is why I started misting in the first place. From there, it seems like constant maintenance is required. I actually moved the lights a bit further away but it didn't seem to help too much.

The recovery of my grains also looked pretty shitty though, so I'm guessing bad spawn is likely my problem as well (possibly with a secondary problem of poor coir prep). Unlike you though, I have yet to get mold or other obvious contaminants. Just dry surface and slow growth.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: clan91]
    #25316738 - 07/09/18 12:37 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

This has probably been answered somewhere, but so many pages of responses...

The claim is that these specific tubs can be fire and forget, with very minimal attention.

But how often do you *actually* give them attention?  I need techniques that aren't going to fail if I leave them completely unattended for a couple days at a time.  (Not being home at all, so the "if you have time to brush your teeth" example isnt valid.  I simply will not be there at all)

Definitely going to try it out, starting with the 30-whatever quart one, I'm just curious how close "can be fire and forget" is to actually being so.  :smile:


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Sivarted]
    #25316743 - 07/09/18 12:39 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Ive left them for 2-3 day weekends countless times.
Heck just had my anniversary was gone 4 days.

You make a brick of coir with a gallon of water. It isn't going to be able to dry out enough in a couple weeks. Misting is for the surface only. If you just flip the lid sometimes you actually need to do the opposite of misting because the surface gets too wet. Sometimes you have to mist a couple times a week because the corners are drying.



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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25316748 - 07/09/18 12:43 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

That sounds perfect.  Even when I'm not home for extended periods of time, checking in every few days is possible, and the idea of not modifying tubs is *extremely* appealing to me for a number of reasons.  I have one modified monotub, and it would be ideal to not have to modify any more.  :smile:

Definitely giving it a shot with some spawn I have almost ready.  Thanks much!


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Sivarted]
    #25316753 - 07/09/18 12:45 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Why coir-only?  I'm still unclear on why some do just coir and why some add vermiculite.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Sivarted]
    #25316763 - 07/09/18 12:48 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

The verm adds some more moisture and holds it a bit better. You can look at posted results, try yourself if you want to and see what you think about its necessity


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Sivarted]
    #25316769 - 07/09/18 12:52 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Why coir-only?  I'm still unclear on why some do just coir and why some add vermiculite.



Vermeculite serves for water retention ...  some believe it easier to maintain surface conditions... same with gypsum, or a casing... necessity will largely depend on your climate (temperature, ambient humidity)


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Sivarted]
    #25316779 - 07/09/18 12:56 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Tried following your whole set and forget and have found that this may be the case for your conditions, but mine need to be misted to keep proper surface conditions. Your light may not dry the tub out but mine dried in the center where the light was maybe a little to close. I know you put yours right on top in your tek pics, but mine seems to strong to do this. Over the last couple of days I have found myself misting to keep the surface beading with moisture and adjusting the light a little higher each day to get it at the right height. So far today things are holding steady! The only thing I have observed is knotting around the sides starting to form and now starting to knot on the surface slowly since misting and controlling surface conditions. You should modify your tek to mention that surface conditions should be monitored till you dial it in properly as I am sure I am not the only one that has had this issue. I am happy so far with the way things are going for my first bulk and first time trying this tek. But I am really happy I have been obsessive and here to observe things, because if I was to follow your advice about set and forget I am sure I would have been disappointed and a wee bit pissed!


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Sivarted]
    #25316781 - 07/09/18 01:02 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Why coir-only?  I'm still unclear on why some do just coir and why some add vermiculite.



Vermiculite costs more than coir. And doesn't make coir performance any better so :shrug: it's not adding anything to justify its cost

My tek mentions you should know your way around cubensis and conditions before attempting anyway.

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surface conditions are very important. You can't simply whip one of these together and expect it to work with no experience, no eye for things, no mycologist's green thumb.





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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #25316791 - 07/09/18 01:12 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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My tek mentions you should know your way around cubensis and conditions before attempting anyway.



I love the way you do that! You simply pass things off instead of actually admitting your method is not what you say it is. You still have to watch things properly. I do know my way around a cube and conditions but was following a TC's tek, so was doing as the tek says and have found that it isn't what it says it is! You give bad advice just as you give good and when someone confronts your poor advice you blow it off as though you never said such a thing. A real shame to be honest that you are so vain! But I am still enjoying the experience! Your tek is valid just needs a little fine tuning on certain things that is stated and shown to be false. The light should be adjusted accordingly not set on top of the tub depending on the light being used, and it should also mention to watch surface conditions and keep it beading with moisture, not set and forget. Other than that, I find this an awesome tek and can see how one can get crazy results if they watch conditions properly!


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Mush Hunter]
    #25316795 - 07/09/18 01:16 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Once dialed in using his "seemingly advanced technique" of turning the lid etc, it can be quite "set and forget"... I find that flipping the latches up, and letting the lid sit right-side-up is a nice go between, between flipping lid, and rotating 90°


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25316805 - 07/09/18 01:21 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Once dialed in using his "seemingly advanced technique" of turning the lid etc, it can be quite "set and forget"... I find that flipping the latches up, and letting the lid sit right-side-up is a nice go between, between flipping lid, and rotating 90°



I agree! Once you have your personal setup dialed in, but to follow what is said in the tek it can be deceiving is all I was stating. You have to watch things properly till you dial it in properly as each persons setup can vary and act differently. I take full responsibility for taking what was said literally! I am happy though I have been keeping an eye on things and didn't decided to go away for a few days, or worse, a whole week thinking everything will be fine! :lol:


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Mush Hunter] * 1
    #25316809 - 07/09/18 01:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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My tek mentions you should know your way around cubensis and conditions before attempting anyway.



I love the way you do that! You simply pass things off instead of actually admitting your method is not what you say it is. You still have to watch things properly. I do know my way around a cube and conditions but was following a TC's tek, so was doing as the tek says and have found that it isn't what it says it is! You give bad advice just as you give good and when someone confronts your poor advice you blow it off as though you never said such a thing. A real shame to be honest that you are so vain! But I am still enjoying the experience! Your tek is valid just needs a little fine tuning on certain things that is stated and shown to be false. The light should be adjusted accordingly not set on top of the tub depending on the light being used, and it should also mention to watch surface conditions and keep it beading with moisture, not set and forget. Other than that, I find this an awesome tek and can see how one can get crazy results if they watch conditions properly!



Lol there's people their first post was pulling off better than some people who struggle. Not everyone is in the same boat. Some people spend a year here and still over think and over adjust surface conditions. Some people just get it.

If you don't know what you're doing you cant slap this together. For me it about as set and forget as it gets

It's only deceiving to a few is all i got to say about that

If we could write teks so well that they made people great at growing off the bat then we wouldn't need a forum to go along with the teks


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Mush Hunter] * 1
    #25316815 - 07/09/18 01:26 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure BOD can defend himself, but here is a snippet from the TEK that makes clear that you shouldn't expect to just throw some shit in a tub and leave it and wait for the cubes to jump in your dehydrator:

"The more ajar you have the lid the more you will have to babysit and mist, the more the lid is just upside down and on top the less you will have to fuck with it.

surface conditions are very important. You can't simply whip one of these together and expect it to work with no experience, no eye for things, no mycologist's green thumb.

Skill plays a much of a roll as methods. You also need to be able to produce clean spawn and determine conditions."

..and I'm someone who is in the process of fucking up my first tub grow using this TEK :smile:


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25316827 - 07/09/18 01:36 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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My tek mentions you should know your way around cubensis and conditions before attempting anyway.



I love the way you do that! You simply pass things off instead of actually admitting your method is not what you say it is. You still have to watch things properly. I do know my way around a cube and conditions but was following a TC's tek, so was doing as the tek says and have found that it isn't what it says it is! You give bad advice just as you give good and when someone confronts your poor advice you blow it off as though you never said such a thing. A real shame to be honest that you are so vain! But I am still enjoying the experience! Your tek is valid just needs a little fine tuning on certain things that is stated and shown to be false. The light should be adjusted accordingly not set on top of the tub depending on the light being used, and it should also mention to watch surface conditions and keep it beading with moisture, not set and forget. Other than that, I find this an awesome tek and can see how one can get crazy results if they watch conditions properly!



Lol there's people their first post was pulling off better than some people who struggle. Not everyone is in the same boat. Some people spend a year here and still over think and over adjust surface conditions. Some people just get it.

If you don't know what you're doing you cant slap this together. For me it about as set and forget as it gets

It's only deceiving to a few is all i got to say about that

If we could write teks so well that they made people great at growing off the bat then we wouldn't need a forum to go along with the teks



Well if a tek is written to a point of clarity and understanding I can blame the individual who is attempting it but if there is a lack of clarity... Then it would be the writing that would be to blame. I am not saying that your tek is bad but it may lack a certain clarity for some (myself included) as I was not keeping my surface conditions to where they should be at first thinking it is the way the tek says to do things and have seen you say to people, "why you misting?" The thing is, if it is lacking in proper surface conditions then they need to be rectified before said conditions become irreversible and fuck someones attempt. Which in turn could discourage an individual from growing again. I think as a TC you have a responsibility in this matter. Just a thought. Myself I am happy as I stated but can see how things of the sort can get people pissed is all. I posted a few times asking for your opinion on how things were looking as it was my first time and never got a response, yet I mention this and you're all over it. :laugh2:


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Mush Hunter]
    #25316829 - 07/09/18 01:38 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I actually purposefully avoid answering surface conditions questions for people who are anything but brand new. Because you need to figure it out not me.

Just ask flyhighfunguy


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: clan91]
    #25316835 - 07/09/18 01:42 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sure BOD can defend himself, but here is a snippet from the TEK that makes clear that you shouldn't expect to just throw some shit in a tub and leave it and wait for the cubes to jump in your dehydrator:

"The more ajar you have the lid the more you will have to babysit and mist, the more the lid is just upside down and on top the less you will have to fuck with it.

surface conditions are very important. You can't simply whip one of these together and expect it to work with no experience, no eye for things, no mycologist's green thumb.

Skill plays a much of a roll as methods. You also need to be able to produce clean spawn and determine conditions."

..and I'm someone who is in the process of fucking up my first tub grow using this TEK :smile:



I understand this and my lid was not ajar when I was dealing with the issue of drying out as it was still colonizing. It was the light being on top as it is in the tek that caused the issue. Since then I have rectified the issue and have a nice surface condition as I caught it before it could affect my tub seriously. Was just stating a fact of the matter. Sorry to hear that you are having issues with your tub, but I have been paying close attention to mine and fixed the issue before it became one. Must be my skill and green shroom thumb :lol: Looking forward to posting results once they are ready! :wink:


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