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bodhisatta 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25252313 - 06/06/18 02:54 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I rarely grow PE. People get absolutely retarded about growing PE though and all worried about parameters. It does fine with and without a casing. People have managed the get it to do extremely well both ways. People get no blobs with either or method. People get blobs with either or method.
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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25252330 - 06/06/18 03:00 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I rarely grow PE. People get absolutely retarded about growing PE though and all worried about parameters. It does fine with and without a casing. People have managed the get it to do extremely well both ways. People get no blobs with either or method. People get blobs with either or method.
Hmm alright maybe I'll just try out using a top layer at spawn then since thats what I'm used to. Like you said, I've seen a lot of people getting worried about growing PE so I figured it took more skill/care than regular cubes. I'll just use a top layer and treat them like I do regular cubes.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25252354 - 06/06/18 03:10 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the biggest problem is that it takes a long(er) time to pin. And people either mist way too much or do something else detrimental during the waiting period.
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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25252368 - 06/06/18 03:18 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I think the biggest problem is that it takes a long(er) time to pin. And people either mist way too much or do something else detrimental during the waiting period.
Alright sweet ill keep that in mind. Ill try to refrain from misting/messing with the tub at all unless its absolutely necessary. Im going to be upping my water from 4 quarts to 4.5 quarts for my next batch of CVG so im hoping i can achieve some natural beads of moisture without needing to mist very much. Thanks for the help
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25252372 - 06/06/18 03:22 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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See that's what i mean people over think PE and do weird extra stuff. Don't make your substrate too wet. Just don't over mist. You want your substrate perfect. and your surface perfect. Not your substrate too wet so your surface might end up perfect.
What you might need to mist every 2-4 days for up to a couple weeks. Big deal
Pump sprayer. Pump it up and with a one second thumb press a tub is misted with ultra fine mist. Can do 5 tubs in less time it takes to put shoes on.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25252390 - 06/06/18 03:31 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: See that's what i mean people over think PE and do weird extra stuff. Don't make your substrate too wet. Just don't over mist. You want your substrate perfect. and your surface perfect. Not your substrate too wet so your surface might end up perfect.
What you might need to mist every 2-4 days for up to a couple weeks. Big deal
Pump sprayer. Pump it up and with a one second thumb press a tub is misted with ultra fine mist. Can do 5 tubs in less time it takes to put shoes on.
Yea i actually bought the same sprayer as you after you recommended it to me. Its amazing.
The reason im adding more water isnt because of the PE, but rather because during my last grow (Also my first grow ever) my tubs never created any natural beads of moisture on there own. I had to mist from full colonization until harvest pretty much every day in order to create the beads of moisture.
Many people told me my field capacity looked perfect, however after looking at the grow told me it could maybe use a little more water. The video below is the substrate just for reference.
650 grams coir, 2 quarts vermiculite, 1 cup gypsum, 4 quarts water.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25252405 - 06/06/18 03:35 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whatever is the perfect ratio for you is what you go with.
I do like 800g eco earth to 4q water. Sometimes i think even thats too wet. I do 800g because eco earth bricks are all over the place in weight anyway so i just weight it regardless and always have like 10+. Bricks in storage tub.
Or if i get the big block from the garden store needs to be weighed out. That stuff seems to hold a bit more water. Could also be that its just lower moisture content right off the bat than eco Earth. It is more pale in appearance before hydration.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25252414 - 06/06/18 03:37 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Whatever is the perfect ratio for you is what you go with.
I do like 800g eco earth to 4q water. Sometimes i think even thats too wet. I do 800g because eco earth bricks are all over the place in weight anyway so i just weight it regardless and always have like 10+. Bricks in storage tub.
Or if i get the big block from the garden store needs to be weighed out. That stuff seems to hold a bit more water. Could also be that its just lower moisture content right off the bat than eco Earth. It is more pale in appearance before hydration.
Would you agree that its abnormal to not get any natural beads of moisture, considering fae and everything else is correct? There were never any beads of moisture on the surface until i began to mist regularly.
Would you be happy with the way it looked in that video, or would you probably go a little wetter you think? I was squeezing very hard in the video, and have since been told i should get a quick small stream rather than a dozen or so droplets. Maybe since i added the verm/gypsum my recipe requires more water?
Edited by flyhighfunguy (06/06/18 03:39 PM)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25252425 - 06/06/18 03:42 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can usually just tell by how it feels when i mix it up if its too wet or dry. TBH i don't do the squeeze test or havent in years.
I guess from the video i would say dry side. Hard to say but keep mental or wrote down note and adjust till you nail it. Then keep on doing that
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25252434 - 06/06/18 03:45 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I can usually just tell by how it feels when i mix it up if its too wet or dry. TBH i don't do the squeeze test or havent in years.
I guess from the video i would say dry side. Hard to say but keep mental or wrote down note and adjust till you nail it. Then keep on doing that
Alright cool maybe ill start out with .25 quarts extra, see how that looks, and maybe go up from there. You saying it appears on the dry side as well makes me more confident with my decision to add some more water. Thanks for the help man
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25252454 - 06/06/18 03:54 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Uneven pinset but I’m not mad about this one.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Thedenthead]
#25252516 - 06/06/18 04:24 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25252524 - 06/06/18 04:31 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25252792 - 06/06/18 06:55 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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One of my best fruits off my first ever successful grow.
Thanks for the Tek Bod ! 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta] 2
#25252822 - 06/06/18 07:06 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fucking weirdo tub lol
My inclination is bacteria. You can find the exact same symptoms in some pics in this thread of mine, Guide to Bacterial versus Aerial Mycelium. I moved the thread to my journal because we couldn't come to a consensus on what was actually happening. IMO Its either gotta be a bacterial or fungal infection. I also recall seeing lots of Morelman's golden tubs showing this.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Munchauzen] 1
#25252837 - 06/06/18 07:13 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea but there's no verification that any of that is bacterial.
The very second paragraph you say bateria has meshed. How do you know that. I've seen the thread just thought it should be noted you never actually investigated the cause of the problem. Bacteria is a hypothesis
Maybe its viral, maybe its bacteria, maybe its fungal, maybe its morphological
It's a tub made with 6q of spawn to 800g coir and 4q water. Do you expect diminished yield?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#25252850 - 06/06/18 07:21 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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and thats why its in my journal and will stay there. i don't have any interest exploring any of that. i just grow shrooms. investigations and experiments are for other users, just not my style. im no scientist and won't ever claim to be. i saw you mention you had never seen tubs like that, so I thought I would share. I know its just a guess. at the time when I originally published that thread, I actually thought my view was the consensus here. IDK, maybe I just read a few selective posts and formed that consensus in my head.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Munchauzen] 2
#25252868 - 06/06/18 07:30 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hear about bacterial all the time. But even in grain jars of my own that i think are bacterial and the consensus here would be bacterial i find no bacteria in the grain with my microscope. I have found plenty bacteria before on pseudomonas fruits before. Actually helped me figure out it wasn't vert like everyone was saying.
Sometimes i think grain is just too wet not necessarily bacterial. Same with this tub, Maybe too wet but IDK i made three tubs same time, maybe bacterial, maybe viral infection, maybe culture/morphology/genetic, maybe fungal (doubt that tho).
Ill keep it updated about this tub but I'm at a loss to the reason. I did g2g the spawn so ill have another Malabar tub coming up down the line here. Ill maybe take some of that grain back to agar amd see if anything weird shows and also do some microscopy
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25255283 - 06/08/18 01:07 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Man my tub is just side pins. Really my first monotub so no worries. They look pretty big at least ill get to trip haha. I went away for a few days and when i came back the sub shrunk a lot. I think its pretty dry in my room since i live in colorado, not sure if that has too much to do with it. I didn't really mist at all at first because I'm like one gallon of water hell ya. Anyway on the next one gonna pay more attention and maybe add a liner even tho i don't want to. Huge shout out to bod for the tek. I'm gonna keep on going till i get that canopy.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Whyterye]
#25256312 - 06/08/18 03:27 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dumb question but are you using the light during colonization? I thought you used the light as a trigger for fruiting after colonization. Im Completely new to cultivation.
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