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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Germs]
#25210955 - 05/17/18 06:13 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Idk if living in a very dry climate could dry out the surface if you leave the lid flipped 24/7. My climate is on the humid side, I usually flip the lid when myc starts to poke through the surface, sometimes I forget and flip them much later, and when it starts to knot up I twist the lid 24/7, no issues and I rarely have to mist.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
#25210963 - 05/17/18 06:15 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Josex said: Idk if living in a very dry climate could dry out the surface if you leave the lid flipped 24/7. My climate is on the humid side, I usually flip the lid when myc starts to poke through the surface, sometimes I forget and flip them much later, and when it starts to knot up I twist the lid 24/7, no issues and I rarely have to mist.
Sounds about like my situation as well Average humidity in my grow room is 60-70%
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Germs]
#25210965 - 05/17/18 06:17 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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mines routinely below 30% especially in winter. I pet my cats and get static shocks. at night you can see the static shocks on socks.
it probably helps the tub humidity because it "sucks" moisture from the substrate. who knows. either way 4 liters of water isn't going to disappear before the fruits come in.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25210981 - 05/17/18 06:22 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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 My first unmodded Sterilite 66qt MS, only put out 3.5 dry for 5qt millet on first flush but the second and third put out some fat ass fruits
 Clone, much better performance but poor sub prep so it could have been better
Gonna do some more runs while I dial in my new grow room Looking forward to not drilling holes in tubs
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Germs]
#25210985 - 05/17/18 06:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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first tub might have been a little wet fruits look a little stunted and wavy. I feel like I get that going hand in hand with using too much water in the substrate. everyone I've shown in real life that has also done mushroom growing at some point think my shit is way too dry. then it performs like it should and well....
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#25210990 - 05/17/18 06:27 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: first tub might have been a little wet fruits look a little stunted and wavy. I feel like I get that going hand in hand with using too much water in the substrate. everyone I've shown in real life that has also done mushroom growing at some point think my shit is way too dry. then it performs like it should and well....
I actually backed down to 3.25-3.75 liters depending on if i’m using verm or not a few months back. 4 straight liters was too much water and giving me bacterial subs. I feel like my drier subs always do better. Same goes with Panaeolus
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Germs]
#25210998 - 05/17/18 06:30 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I should probably edit my teks but I'm using like 800 grams of coir with one gallon of water.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25214814 - 05/19/18 02:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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FYI - wallys isnt classy enough to carry the airtight bins because silverfish dont eat cheap cotton-poly blends. Both sizes of airtight containers are available at Target (54q @ $11.99)
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: browntonabby]
#25215114 - 05/19/18 06:01 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Got a couple tubs going. We shall see! Appreciate the tek!!

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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Erock]
#25216460 - 05/20/18 12:10 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I cant find a tub with the same name that you listed in the tek unfortunately.
Is this the correct tub? https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite+air+right+32+quart
Its called a STERILITE 19334304 32 Quart/30 Liter Gasket Box, Clear with Blue Aquarium Latches and Gasket, 4-Pack
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25216471 - 05/20/18 12:19 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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All tubs work, big, small, perfectly rectangular or with weird shapes like the ones I use from Ikea. Even round buckets work unmodified.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25216669 - 05/20/18 02:13 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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flyhighfunguy said: I cant find a tub with the same name that you listed in the tek unfortunately.
Is this the correct tub? https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite+air+right+32+quart
Its called a STERILITE 19334304 32 Quart/30 Liter Gasket Box, Clear with Blue Aquarium Latches and Gasket, 4-Pack
Those are them. They make a 54qt version too.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Erock]
#25216806 - 05/20/18 03:19 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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flyhighfunguy said: I cant find a tub with the same name that you listed in the tek unfortunately.
Is this the correct tub? [url=https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite air right 32 quart&ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1&ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1]https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite air right 32 quart[/url]
Its called a STERILITE 19334304 32 Quart/30 Liter Gasket Box, Clear with Blue Aquarium Latches and Gasket, 4-Pack
Those are them. They make a 54qt version too.
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flyhighfunguy said: I cant find a tub with the same name that you listed in the tek unfortunately.
Is this the correct tub? https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite+air+right+32+quart
Its called a STERILITE 19334304 32 Quart/30 Liter Gasket Box, Clear with Blue Aquarium Latches and Gasket, 4-Pack
Those are them. They make a 54qt version too.
Could i use this 20 quart version the same way? https://www.target.com/p/sterilite-20-qt-gasket-box-clear-with-blue-latches/-/A-15066036
Or does it not work as well with the smaller tubs?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25216807 - 05/20/18 03:20 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Other tubs may work, if you're familiar with the principles of operation feel free to experiment and contribute. As always think outside the box, things can be a lot more simple and efficient often times.
I have not recommended any other tubs because I have not used any other ones. I'm sure that other kinds of tubs would work just fine. You'll want a clear lid at the very least.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25216823 - 05/20/18 03:27 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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flyhighfunguy said: I cant find a tub with the same name that you listed in the tek unfortunately.
Is this the correct tub? [url=https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite air right 32 quart&ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1&ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1]https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite air right 32 quart[/url]
Its called a STERILITE 19334304 32 Quart/30 Liter Gasket Box, Clear with Blue Aquarium Latches and Gasket, 4-Pack
Those are them. They make a 54qt version too.
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Erock said:
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flyhighfunguy said: I cant find a tub with the same name that you listed in the tek unfortunately.
Is this the correct tub? https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite+air+right+32+quart
Its called a STERILITE 19334304 32 Quart/30 Liter Gasket Box, Clear with Blue Aquarium Latches and Gasket, 4-Pack
Those are them. They make a 54qt version too.
Could i use this 20 quart version the same way? https://www.target.com/p/sterilite-20-qt-gasket-box-clear-with-blue-latches/-/A-15066036
Or does it not work as well with the smaller tubs?
I used a couple of those 20qts with 2-3 qts of spawn, works fine. I have to leave the lid flipped from the start or I get a shit ton of condensation during colonization
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Germs]
#25216868 - 05/20/18 04:02 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used a couple of those 20qts with 2-3 qts of spawn, works fine. I have to leave the lid flipped from the start or I get a shit ton of condensation during colonization
So in one of those 20qts you think 2 quarts of rye grain and 2 quarts of CVG would be alright? Do you think id be better off just going the shoebox route with that much spawn?
Also, do you know the RH of the area you grow in? So i can help judge if i should also flip the lid during colonization. My room is about 45-50%
Edited by flyhighfunguy (05/20/18 04:03 PM)
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25216925 - 05/20/18 04:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used a couple of those 20qts with 2-3 qts of spawn, works fine. I have to leave the lid flipped from the start or I get a shit ton of condensation during colonization
So in one of those 20qts you think 2 quarts of rye grain and 2 quarts of CVG would be alright? Do you think id be better off just going the shoebox route with that much spawn?
Also, do you know the RH of the area you grow in? So i can help judge if i should also flip the lid during colonization. My room is about 45-50%
That sounds good. Shoebox route with that much is also good. Try both.
50-60% here
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Germs]
#25216938 - 05/20/18 04:29 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Other tubs may work, if you're familiar with the principles of operation feel free to experiment and contribute. As always think outside the box, things can be a lot more simple and efficient often times.
I have not recommended any other tubs because I have not used any other ones. I'm sure that other kinds of tubs would work just fine. You'll want a clear lid at the very least.
Alright maybe ill give it a shot then.
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I used a couple of those 20qts with 2-3 qts of spawn, works fine. I have to leave the lid flipped from the start or I get a shit ton of condensation during colonization
So in one of those 20qts you think 2 quarts of rye grain and 2 quarts of CVG would be alright? Do you think id be better off just going the shoebox route with that much spawn?
Also, do you know the RH of the area you grow in? So i can help judge if i should also flip the lid during colonization. My room is about 45-50%
That sounds good. Shoebox route with that much is also good. Try both.
50-60% here
Alright sweet, last time i used shoeboxes with 4 BRF cakes shredded to 2 qt verm i had some issues with the surface drying too fast. This time ill be using grains, but maybe using one of these monotubs will help with the surface condition problems.
Would you say the amount of skill required to use one of these monos is about the same as a shoebox? Or are these slightly more difficult.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25216943 - 05/20/18 04:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've never once measured substrate. you just use what you need lol. dump some spawn jars in and call it a day. probably 1-4 jars would work just fine.
harder or easier depends on what you find to be hard and easy
I don't think your RH plays that big of a roll at all. the tubs are semi isolated. heck my RH is like 20% in the winter. if anything it helps pull some of that water out of the substrate to humidify the chamber.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25217139 - 05/20/18 06:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I've never once measured substrate. you just use what you need lol. dump some spawn jars in and call it a day. probably 1-4 jars would work just fine.
harder or easier depends on what you find to be hard and easy
I don't think your RH plays that big of a roll at all. the tubs are semi isolated. heck my RH is like 20% in the winter. if anything it helps pull some of that water out of the substrate to humidify the chamber.
Do you think that these would require less misting/overall maintenance than a shoebox? Personally, for some reason ive had to mist shoeboxes 2-3 times a day in order to maintain a very slight layer of beads on the surface. Im hoping maybe a monotub could allow me to cut down on this misting? If so, i think one of these monos would be a much better option for me.
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