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bodhisatta 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: thesupersoap33]
#25173932 - 04/29/18 04:18 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pasty plates only really need 15m.
u can get 1-2oz off a shoebox. Youll get there
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thesupersoap33
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25174111 - 04/29/18 06:14 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm following bods tek. My tub is not as big. It's a sterilite. I
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kmcrae67
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: thesupersoap33]
#25178475 - 05/01/18 05:38 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Colonizing since 4/29. Lid on but not secured with clips. How does it look?

Edited by kmcrae67 (05/01/18 05:41 PM)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: kmcrae67]
#25178494 - 05/01/18 05:46 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good
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kmcrae67
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25181520 - 05/03/18 09:35 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks... Colonizing since 4/29. I just flipped the lid today and turned on more light. To soon?


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: kmcrae67]
#25182465 - 05/03/18 06:22 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, based on my last experience I believe it might be little soon. To explain: My issue was my sub dried out too quickly and I had to end up more or less dunking my sub after a week after I opened the lid. I opened mine at 8 or 9 days and I live in a very dry place and it was still winter so my sub just got dry. I still had great flushes but not a bonanza 6 to 7 oz situation per tub. I also saw a fair amount of side pins because my sub was dry to the point of separating from the wall of the TUB. I am now 4th to 5th flush on those tubs and they are still doing well enough to keep em around... just keep an eye on the hydration of sub and moisture on walls. My newest bin I kept sealed until today 14 days... and I looked at it, I misted it it and put lid back on quickly. It's a bit different than last endeavors. Will detail in next post. But I will say your tub is looking quite well for how long they have been colonizing.
Edited by jonnerhashe (05/03/18 06:42 PM)
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: jonnerhashe]
#25182486 - 05/03/18 06:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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My newest tub is 14 days in colonization... it was light on spawn. It is albino penis envy. I have read it is a slow growing thing and I think it has more time to go but I would like input for this mutant I'm dealing with... I looked at it good moisture but it hasn't colonized the top all over like other tubs did. It appears to have really knobby patches of really strong looking mycelium.

Since it is half the spawn I did with last tub should I keep this supposedly slower cube going in colonization setting or open it up? I'm not looking for a ton of mush (got more than I know what to do with) with this one I'm doing it to check out this weird and cool double recessive freakshow. Any suggestions? I was going to let it go possibly another week or 21 days total sealed up.
Edited by jonnerhashe (05/03/18 06:42 PM)
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: jonnerhashe]
#25187696 - 05/06/18 12:25 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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ape>agar>agar>wbs>coir/verm in 30q unbodified spawned 4/30. Guess I made the top layer a tiny bit thicker in one spot but I'm happy with how this is coming along.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Psicomb]
#25188031 - 05/06/18 03:30 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Spawned this 32 tub on Apr 29. Flipped the lid today. Hopefully not too early but no choice, out of town for a week or so...

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Dr. Freeman
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Nakoa]
#25193424 - 05/09/18 12:46 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I got some good results fom a mini-mono using these principles but there is something I don't understand. You flip the lid at 80% colonization and thus start fruiting conditions. I feel tempted to let my sub colonize to 100%, let it consolidate a few days and wait to see pins before flipping the lid. What difference is there, other than time?
I read one should never expose uncolonized sub to FAE, for fear of contams (no a problem with coir) and for fear of reduced yield. It was a 5 years old post, I'm sure there is new info I ignore.
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Josex
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Dr. Freeman]
#25193434 - 05/09/18 12:52 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I feel tempted to let my sub colonize to 100%, let it consolidate a few days and wait to see pins knots before flipping the lid. What difference is there, other than time?
That's what I do, it doesn't really matter much one way or the other but this way you usually don't have to mist before pins. You also have to observe the surface, if there's plenty of natural moisture on the surface go ahead and flip the lid, you don't want things too saturated or too dry, you want the surface just right.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
#25193448 - 05/09/18 01:02 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can start fruiting the same day you spawn its not a contamination risk lol. You spawn the tub with your hands and all the sudden air is going to hurt it. That's a theory that a noob came up with.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25193456 - 05/09/18 01:06 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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 fuck didn't even read the last bit of the post ahha
Yeah that's pretty retarded. Even if you spawned in perfectly sterile conditions all sorts of nasty shit will get through the lid and land on the sub, even with the lid on. That isn't a problem at all though.
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Dr. Freeman
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Dr. Freeman]
#25193463 - 05/09/18 01:11 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, contamination isn't a problem.
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Dr. Freeman said: I read one should never expose uncolonized sub to FAE, for fear of contams (not a problem with coir) and for fear of reduced yield.
That is why I ask what difference is there other than CO2 levels and FAE. Why not letting it colonize to a 100%? I do as the tek suggest, just wanting to know why.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Dr. Freeman]
#25193492 - 05/09/18 01:22 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Go with the gut man, read the myc and do what's best in your environment and your personal circumstances. Almost every tek is open to good amounts of tweaking.
I can't tend to my grows alot because I don't live where I grow. Sometimes I even forgot to flip the lid and got canopies without issues, not even fuzzy feet. The lids of my tubs close very loose though.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Dr. Freeman]
#25193510 - 05/09/18 01:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dr. Freeman said: Yes, contamination isn't a problem.
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Dr. Freeman said: I read one should never expose uncolonized sub to FAE, for fear of contams (not a problem with coir) and for fear of reduced yield.
That is why I ask what difference is there other than CO2 levels and FAE. Why not letting it colonize to a 100%? I do as the tek suggest, just wanting to know why.
Because paul stamets wrote a book 40 years ago and put high co2 levels for colonization in there. But there is no science to back it up. Cubensis is an aerobic organism that doesnt have a high co2 part in its life cycle anyway.
Even with fruiting conditions immediately at spawning the substrate will colonize before fruiting just fine. If not better in some people's experience.
And it's not just coir lol. You could do it with manure too. The entire point of pasteurization is so that you can play with it with your bare hands to make a tub, and to get a 10+ day window where it won't contaminate just because of exposure to air
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Dr. Freeman
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25193562 - 05/09/18 02:01 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks, can't argue with that logic. I did a little digging around a found this:
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bodhisatta said: I'm placing my bets on that in the future the idea of colonization in high CO2 might be sort of debunked.
these are aerobic organisms. I've never seen any mycologist write their methodology for obtaining their figures. Rather they simply publish them and say this is the results I got. like in GGMM paul has tables for temps and co2 levels for fruiting and colonization. how did these figures get obtained. so many people rely on these tables very rigidly too. designing whole contraptions to keep things in these specified ranges that have been long established.
these are aerobic organisms, while obviously capable of tolerating high co2 do they particularly enjoy it?
like brewing yeast being handled by humans for so long it acts wildly different than the wild type counterparts. with some varieties of the same species having quite different temperature requirements and alcohol tolerances. the same may eventually be true of cubes as well. We could theoretically start to push the genetics towards being more tolerant of what we want to do to grow them. eventually creating varieties that are the same species but have legitimate differences in growing parameters suited for indoor cultivation.
I think the jury is still out and I'm glad you're doing this pasty. but I think more air is more better and people would dry out colonizing tubs accidentally if it wasn't for FAE restriction.
Just read it on this post. Seem like early FAE makes quite a difference. Case and fruit at spawning vs colonization in elevated CO2
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Dr. Freeman]
#25193596 - 05/09/18 02:20 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would've liked to see another variable in that experiment - restriction of FAE during colonization but casing at spawning.
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Dr. Freeman
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
#25193816 - 05/09/18 04:30 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Josex said: I would've liked to see another variable in that experiment - restriction of FAE during colonization but casing at spawning.
I would like to see no casing at all.
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kmcrae67
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Dr. Freeman]
#25194396 - 05/09/18 09:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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10 days colonizing, lid flipped and misting once or twice a day. Opinions?
Edited by kmcrae67 (05/09/18 09:29 PM)
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