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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Mateja]
    #25003416 - 02/18/18 11:37 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Zachsonpub]
    #25006746 - 02/19/18 09:32 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the great write up. This has been my guideline thus far. I've purchased a 66qt mono, but I've heard there's more yield using 2 32qt tubs because of more surface area. This would probably also be better for the space i'm utilizing so hopefully it's true. I'm also wondering if the ratio I was planning to run with for the larger tub will be applicable to the 32qt. I have 2 3lb bags of grain i'm yet to inoculate (waiting on lil shop syringe taking extra long) and I was planning to use 10lbs of bulk sub (33% coir 33% horse manure 33% straw and 33% verm by volume + 5% gypsum) Would splitting the ratio to 3/5lbs in each 32qt be viable? How many CC's of solution is recommended for inoculating a 3lb bag of pasteurized grains?

I'm also contemplating purchasing solid color tubs and just running led strip lighting on the lids, would this really affect much? I'd probably run with the normal 6 hole setup to contain the light more and try to use micropore tape as apposed to polyfil. Mist & fan twice a day. Would that work just as well?

Additionally, the space i'm using is regularly 68-72 degrees fahrenheit. Will I run into any issues or will this just call for denser stems? Would a regular cfl or light strip provide additional heat to raise the temp or should I purchase one of those terrarium heat mats or try to utilize a space heater I already have if neccessary?

Thank you to everyone in contribution to this thread, really appreciate all the support and information that's being shared here. This guide has opened my eyes to mushroom cultivating and i'm really looking forward to my first few tubs.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: BripTalls]
    #25007365 - 02/20/18 07:20 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Welcome, man! Good to hear you love this shit as much as we do.

are you using black containers for stealth?

It be easier using clear containers, and putting one or two 6500k light bulbs in that area.

It allows the light to go everywhere.

CFLs and light strips would prob raise your inside temp up to the high 70s if you placed them in there, CFLs are hotter fyi.

But, if you wanna increase your room temp, use an oil heater from walmart ($25). There's 4 variable settings and its consistent. It warms my room up like a champ.

Light strips are LED, right? LED sends light in only one direction, CFL goes everywhere. So id stick with CFL

Also a good spawn to substrate ratio is between 1-.25

As long as the ratio is between 1-.25, you can fill whatever container you wish.  make sure your substrate depth is between 3 -4 inchs.

Reminder, light is NEEDED, but only ambient light.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: dmnats]
    #25008695 - 02/20/18 04:52 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Hey thanks for the great reply! Sorry for the handful of questions I slew out in that post but you did a great job giving me some answers.

I was contemplating the darker, solid in color, containers for stealth reasons yes. At this time though I think i'm going to put that idea to the side for now and buy these exact 32qt tubs to make it a bit easier for myself (or stick with the 66qt still undecided). Modifying lids and or placing light strips I think is a bit too complicated for my first attempt. I will probably run with a 6500k cfl on a reflector lamp as shown, strung up approximately 2 feet above my two 32qt tubs.

I do have a standard size oil heater that I could use, but there's no temperature setting on it, only markings on the dial so i'd have to get that dialed in. However i'm thinking the heat of the CFL would be plenty, even if I don't sit it directly on my tub.

If I'm correct, my spawn to sub ratio would be about .6 if I run with my 3lbs spawn to 5lbs sub. Apparently the pounds translate to quart jars almost 1:1 if that helps anyone out.

I really appreciate the feedback. I just got confirmation of my B+ order today, hoping to receive it this week. I've purchased prepasturized and prehydrated grain in 3lb bags for this run. If they were made up on 2/14 and i'm planning to inoculate on 2/26 at the latest, will my grain still be okay? Will it still be hydrated? The product can be found here https://www.vesp.co/product/sterilized-hydrated-grain-3-pound-bags-injection-port-14926?145_Quantity%20Discounts=2%20Bag. It come's in one of those bags you can just colonize inside of. I've been keeping the two bags folded up, in zip locks, in a dark area at room temp since I got them on 2/18. How long would you say a bag of bulk sub would last in the same situation?

Those should be my final questions and I'll officially be ready for my first run. Thanks again.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: BripTalls]
    #25008762 - 02/20/18 05:33 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Hi,

Just wondering what, if any, benifits there are to flipping the lid before full colonization.

Would it increase chances of contams at all?

I have my first tub that looks like it will reach 100% using this tek.  I got green mold in everything using only coir, this time I used 3/4 a brick, and added about a qrt and a half of store bought poo and some coffee.

It may have been because I was more careful about using clean spawn, that i cleaned the tub with bleach, or that I cleaned out the entire room and mopped the floor and sprayed the walls.

Just wondering if leaving the top on until 100% would be better in my situation.

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No, the polyfil has absolutely nothing to do with filtration.

Besides you have to mix the spawn and substrate in open air to make the tub anyway.




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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: BripTalls]
    #25009396 - 02/20/18 09:32 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Are you buying pre-made spawn bags because you dont want a pressure cooker?

A lil fyi -  you could buy 50lb of whole oats for like $15, 24 quart jars for $11,  about $40 for a pressure cooker on ebay (presto),  and like $5 for a bag of polyfil.

Add that all up and you have hundreds of experiments to fuck with and fuck up.



For your question - if its properly sterilized, it should last a while without any visible contamination, but use it asap anyways. Just keep it somewhere clean and cool in the mean time.

Also, the hydration shouldnt be affected too much, but you can mix the grains around to redistribute the moisture. 


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: psilocyanide]
    #25009413 - 02/20/18 09:39 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

No it doesnt matter as long as you have clean spawn.

If you only used coco coir, then it was 100% your spawn. Coco coir is known to not contaminate!

But, if you used Hpoo and coffee grinds this time, did you properly pasteurize them at 140-160F?

Hpoo and coffee is known to contaminate, but i have no experience with them. (ive seen coffee have mold on it before..)


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: dmnats]
    #25009580 - 02/20/18 11:43 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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No it doesnt matter as long as you have clean spawn.

If you only used coco coir, then it was 100% your spawn. Coco coir is known to not contaminate!

But, if you used Hpoo and coffee grinds this time, did you properly pasteurize them at 140-160F?

Hpoo and coffee is known to contaminate, but i have no experience with them. (ive seen coffee have mold on it before..)




I pasteurized RR's way, cold water in a pot 3/4 up the jars, brought to boil, boiled 5 mins, turned off stove, covered for 2 hours.  Considering what you said about coir, I will prolly try to do coir next time and make sure i got clean spawn. Ive been improving my methods


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: dmnats]
    #25009975 - 02/21/18 07:31 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the reply dmnats. Yes I was purchasing the grain and sub to avoid pasturizing and pressure cooking. This is just a trial run for me, supposed to be low effort. My goal here is to grow enough for a decent supply I can microdose for a bit. Wanted to give it a try for medicinal reasons as it seems it’s gaining more popularity in using it to treat mental illnesses and other benefits. Depression has hit me hard in the last two years and I’m self medicating with weed once a day, but I’m growing indifferent towards the lackadaisical and unmotivated feelings I’m having. I will also be attempting a trip, but I’d have to say my last 2-3 trips on >2g of unknown strains had me incredibly panicky stricken, possibly leaving symptoms of psychosis. I thought and felt as if I were dead for weeks and experienced light HPPD/depersonalization symptoms for a few months after. If all is well with this run and I see benefit in my micro doses then I’ll expand my operation and look more into saving the money.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: BripTalls]
    #25010188 - 02/21/18 09:41 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Hello

This is my first grow. followed only bod’s teks
Today I flipped the lid and turn on the light after 13 days of colonization
Do you reckon this looks any good?



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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: BripTalls]
    #25010306 - 02/21/18 10:53 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

My heart beats with fucking joy knowing that destiny has brought you here man. Only a small fraction of man-kind has been able to domestic these fungi, and we are virtually at the beginning (30-40 years). There will be hundreds of years to come, but we are the few from the mass at the moment.

My lil 2 cents is make up your own religion with ideas you like. Most of the time, when people have faith, they tend to be happier

I believe we are all engineered by some aliens, and we use this planet as a bio space ship to travel the universe, and we use reincarnation to live for ever.

We are all in this as brothers and sisters, and i know you got this man, it will hopefully pass and this will only make you stronger.

But no matter what, I'd be careful self medicating yourself (a doctor is always an option), but you know your mind best.

A FOAF uses an eighth once a month and it has more than a lasting impression on his psyche

Always ask yourself why did you panic or feel upset.

And be true to yourself, Find yourself

dissecting your train of thought while upset is usually a gateway to the root of your pain

Its beyond liberating when you discover yourself. Most people dont ever get the taste, but we do.


I wish you the best and hopefully see you around here! Its a great website


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: zzerg85]
    #25012863 - 02/22/18 10:09 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Colonization is at 50-60 percent it seems. Thats where I flip my lids aswel. Judging from the stack of tubs; isnt that substrate layer too thin? Looks like under 2".. I personally opt for 3"-ish.

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This is my first grow. followed only bod’s teks
Today I flipped the lid and turn on the light after 13 days of colonization
Do you reckon this looks any good?






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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
    #25012901 - 02/22/18 10:27 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah its too thin, gonna be a helluva time maintaining surface conditions, best case scenario IME is lots of misting followed by lots  of teeny fruits. On the plus side the pinset on shallow subs is usually inpressive.

3-4” is optimal for monotubs, for a tub of that size you probably need 6+  qts of spawn and 10+ qts of bulk sub


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: AyePlus]
    #25013176 - 02/22/18 12:38 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

It’s about 2 inch
I have two part time jobs so I’m home a lot in between
Keeping surface moist is doable I spray 2x -3x a day if I keep the lid off
I will try to keep them happy any other advice ?
Would a 1 inch casing help? Or just wait and see?
I used a 60qt tub with a brick coir +5 quart spawn

Here is a pic I took today


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: zzerg85]
    #25018026 - 02/24/18 09:31 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Hey Man, I'm a relative noob but a 1" casing sounds inadvisable.
Stuff I've read points to a < 1/4" or thinner casing.(But actually BOD's tek does not need one.) It would provide for a sort of buffer for the sprayed water. The humid casing would prevent the substrate to drying off to the air to a certain degree when you keep it humid. (Add the cooler box pasteurised coco substrate at field capacity)

You mentioned you'd be spraying 2-3 times a day, I did that before aswel on a thin 2" substrate and I feel it irritated the mycelium. Surface got wet enough but the mycelium was struggling. Adding heaps of water to compensate for a poor substrate to start with was a disappointing and slowly killing trajectory. The grows I have running now have a 3,5-4" Coco/poo mix at just over field capacity. I keept the lids just flipped all day and night and stuff keeps going fine. Misting only once a day after the first flush and following dunk. I think in conclusion that once dialed in correctly the water has to go the right direction, -> out of the substrate when fruiting. Throwing heaps of water at it when fruiting is the wrong way. I say this only cuz I found a balance for my self that provides me with the possibility to spray sparsely. Substrate is purring like a kitten :smile:

Disclaimer: Again, I'm a relative noob, just trying to share my findings so far having done only 6 tubs. Hope this helps tho. BTW: This might help a lot aswel.

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It’s about 2 inch
I have two part time jobs so I’m home a lot in between
Keeping surface moist is doable I spray 2x -3x a day if I keep the lid off
I will try to keep them happy any other advice ?
Would a 1 inch casing help? Or just wait and see?
I used a 60qt tub with a brick coir +5 quart spawn

Here is a pic I took today





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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: zzerg85] * 1
    #25018106 - 02/24/18 10:00 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I would case it but and inch is pretty thick for a casing. Do about half that. And dont over mist just because its a thin sub, only mist when it needs it, most mono’s dont need any extra water before the first flush but I have a feeling this one will.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: AyePlus]
    #25018404 - 02/24/18 12:20 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the long answer it was very educational
I think today I discovered the first 3 pins
Fingers crossed I will upload a pic later


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: zzerg85]
    #25022701 - 02/26/18 07:25 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I have my 60q tub i belive i must have fckd up somwhere.
Got yellow Areas appearing. Stared with one and now I have few more in different areas
2 days ago I had 4 pins and they haven’t grown much since (3rd pic)
My 30q tub (1st pic) is one week behind already looks more uniformed and more healthy



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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: zzerg85]
    #25022989 - 02/26/18 10:22 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe some TC should chime in but that yellow could be slightly bacterial. I think the mycelium is fighting it off right there. The yellow i think is related to that.

Those few pins look okay tho. But after all that time? 15 days now and just those few pins? What is your room temp, im interested. I recently moved my grows to a warmer room which increased speed of all stadiums of growth dramatically. I started off at 67ish with my first tub. Also took 3+ weeks to see any pins. All the while drying out my 2" too shallow substrate.. so misted a lot.. yellow spots.. errr..I recognize the struggle.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
    #25024115 - 02/26/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

temps are between 60-75. gets cold at night. coldest was 58 one night.
i discovered a few groups of other pins so its about 10 in total they are so cute.


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