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OriginalGinger
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Shroomymancer]
#24904741 - 01/11/18 02:53 AM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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My first unbodded tub is coming out pathetic! But I think it's genetics this time because it's really bad. The pins are very small, they grow into very short and thin mushrooms, they look a bit like very short pan's. I had the lid upside down, then when i saw the mushrooms look weak I thought it's lack of oxygen so I put the lid ajar but none of this helped improve the situation.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: OriginalGinger]
#24904865 - 01/11/18 06:29 AM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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It´s most certainly your fault and not because of genetics hehe Do you have pics?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: OriginalGinger]
#24904866 - 01/11/18 06:34 AM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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JF: JF, a desert.. no no ..not that bad at all.. its drying out as expected in this stage. And Im not that worried about the dryness as Bod mentioned that he prefers his tubs somewhere on the dry side. Im misting twice a day morning and evening. I'm just wondering why things evolve uneven. There's patches that look healthy and seem properly humid but pinset is way less dense. Keeps me thinking why???
Nobler: Thanx mate, That pinset evolved like a boss. will be harvesting tonite. Just not from that patch that is way behind.. Rotated my tub to see if orientation / exposure changes growth on that patch.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
#24904918 - 01/11/18 07:25 AM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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ShrooMonkey said: JF: JF, a desert.. no no ..not that bad at all.. its drying out as expected in this stage. And Im not that worried about the dryness as Bod mentioned that he prefers his tubs somewhere on the dry side. Im misting twice a day morning and evening. I'm just wondering why things evolve uneven. There's patches that look healthy and seem properly humid but pinset is way less dense. Keeps me thinking why???
If you say so, no worries. Just hard to scrutinize a picture on my phone anyhow. Hah. My first Unbodded is a little uneven too. I attribute it partly due to my lack of attention I’d given it at first and also the fact that it was MS. But I will admit I let it get very dry and bruised. Hope I didn’t sound snobby.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
#24905719 - 01/11/18 03:32 PM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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JF, No man Thats okay Didnt take it like that.
Your multi spore remark got me thinking though again on possible reasons for the uneven ness.. I just had to harvest a zone about 5" x 5" that was totally full grown. Picked about 200 grams there, thats about 7 ounces and a bit. Those shrooms were ridiculously packed close together in a cluster. The rest of the tub is growing fine, healthy and all..! just about a 5-6 days behind.
About to start 4 more 70qt tubs, cubes again and will take a slightly different approach. My corners are getting slightly puddled from water dripping down the sides of the tub. Will make the corners slightly filled up higher and sloping down towards the center of the tub. Im trying not to disturb the tubs at all other than the 2 mists a day. And dont want to have to remove the puddles with paper towel in the future.. just one more way for nasties to get in there..
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Mateja]
#24905797 - 01/11/18 04:01 PM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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Mateah said: It´s most certainly your fault and not because of genetics hehe Do you have pics?

Some pics of my weird tub.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
#24905998 - 01/11/18 05:09 PM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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ShrooMonkey said: JF, No man Thats okay Didnt take it like that.
Your multi spore remark got me thinking though again on possible reasons for the uneven ness.. I just had to harvest a zone about 5" x 5" that was totally full grown. Picked about 200 grams there, thats about 7 ounces and a bit. Those shrooms were ridiculously packed close together in a cluster. The rest of the tub is growing fine, healthy and all..! just about a 5-6 days behind.
About to start 4 more 70qt tubs, cubes again and will take a slightly different approach. My corners are getting slightly puddled from water dripping down the sides of the tub. Will make the corners slightly filled up higher and sloping down towards the center of the tub. Im trying not to disturb the tubs at all other than the 2 mists a day. And dont want to have to remove the puddles with paper towel in the future.. just one more way for nasties to get in there..
Yeah I had to harvest half and half shoebox yesterday and today that was multispore. Looks like the other ones are gonna follow suit too. How come you’ve got water pooling in the corners? I’m not sure I’d build up the corners. I’d probably try and remedy the water building up on the first place, or carefully try pouring it out. I think an uneven surface can create other problems; sidepins being the main one coming to mind.
Hah. Every time you call me JF all I can think about is Blade Runner.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
#24906908 - 01/12/18 01:23 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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JF(lint), (Cuz am Lazy:)
Off topic :P Hahaha actually JF was a genetic designer, once you start doing petri work you'll be one for real 
Anyways about the corners, My house is not to warm, 69 at best (and quite dry). And so there's quite some condensation going on as the tubs are by nature a bit warmer. The tubs I have have a tendency to collect so much water on the sides that it drips down. Along the sides things sort of were okay, just some really huge droplets sitting right where the substrate meets the tub wall. In the corners though t got a bit out of hand, dunno why but small puddles 1,5"x1,5" waning moon shaped formed. Its all under control now in a provisoric way. I just adjusted my misting Kung Fu a bit. I just under mist a bit towards the corners. Not Ideal but it works for now. If I'd just raise the corners a tiny bit over a distance of say 2" I think that would solve my thingy..
You said side pins might be a result of this approach? I don't think so honestly.. Ive seen side pins form now and think I understand now how exactly they are triggered.. they need a bit of space, a pocket of still air where theres more CO2 and humidity is somewhat higher. Surprisingly my substrate now is still really snug in its tub. Cuz its so dry in my house I keep the crack of my lid really tiny. (Its not flipped over cuz my tub is slightly diff style as Bods, I cant get them here.) So moisture is contained quite good.. well,.. I think I sort of found a balance. And ultimately thats what this tek is about in a way.
Being at this stage: I really wonder Bod (I know its impossible to answer) How would you ever be able to run all the way up till first flush without watering? I think I remember you mentioning it somewhere. I intended to completely leave my tubs alone aswel but at full pinning I noticed the a bit of dryness. I still cracked the tub as per this teks instructions, but soon found out that I had to start misting. I know.. all growing conditions vary and have there resolves.. still makes me wonder. Maybe my next run will be a bit easier in this respect. I have my current grow on Poo/V/G. My next 4 will be on just Coir. See how that goes So I wont be cheating any more :p
So after harvest 200 grams / 7 ounce (just right of the center) Jan. 11:

So Bod, or anyone; you figure the unevenness is from MS approach? I kind of figure this now.. As I can really see patches going faster then others.. thats happier and less happier mycelial marriages right?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
#24908180 - 01/12/18 02:50 PM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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larger tub, 64l, just before harvest.

1.8kg wet, 120g dry
Fingers crossed for the 2nd flush, got some from the side coming oot and not much on the surface.
Thanks Bod.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: willhelm]
#24908560 - 01/12/18 06:00 PM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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willhelm said: larger tub, 64l, just before harvest.

1.8kg wet, 120g dry
Fingers crossed for the 2nd flush, got some from the side coming oot and not much on the surface.
Thanks Bod.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: OriginalGinger]
#24908597 - 01/12/18 06:15 PM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
#24909223 - 01/12/18 10:32 PM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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ShrooMonkey said: JF(lint), (Cuz am Lazy:)
Off topic :P Hahaha actually JF was a genetic designer, once you start doing petri work you'll be one for real  Quote:
Already working with agar, mate. So JF it is. Hah
Well here’s my 32q that I totally fucked up overmisting and then undermisting and just general neglecting. Still got 525g wet off it. 39g dried. Took a couple clones I hope pan out. Coulda shoulda woulda been my first big canopy.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
#24909654 - 01/13/18 02:15 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Wilhelm,
Thats odd.. somehow those GT liked it Much Much more toward that one side. How exactly did you place this tub to fruit. Exposed to or close to a window? I wonder why what caused the inner environment to be so much more hospitable for your shrooms on that one side. ..Or what caused the surface that did not pin to be so inhospitable..??? Was that tub placed close to a heat source of sorts?
This tub reminds me of my own, it seems on first glance (im not too experienced) its not all genetics and general surface conditions that matter. A 'cold' side to a tub could interfere aswel with evenness.. My tubs are placed somewhere where I also seem to have to turn them a bit to compensate. > Quite a cold room but one side is exposed to more still air. As a result condensation on the tub walls is uneven too! And then there's the fact that that one side is slightly closer to a radiator from my central heating system..
Anyways, think thats what Im seeing in my grow and think is causing some trouble..
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willhelm said: larger tub, 64l, just before harvest.

1.8kg wet, 120g dry
Fingers crossed for the 2nd flush, got some from the side coming oot and not much on the surface.
Thanks Bod.
JF, That picking from your 32qt totally looks like my harvest from my very first two 32qt tubs that are still putting out loads of side pins after 5 weeks (surface doesnt do much anymore since 2 weeks) .. no real flushes, just a continuous output of tiny 2" critters. Totalling 1500grams wet now though and still going 
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ShrooMonkey said: JF(lint), (Cuz am Lazy:)
Off topic :P Hahaha actually JF was a genetic designer, once you start doing petri work you'll be one for real  Quote:
Already working with agar, mate. So JF it is. Hah
Well here’s my 32q that I totally fucked up overmisting and then undermisting and just general neglecting. Still got 525g wet off it. 39g dried. Took a couple clones I hope pan out. Coulda shoulda woulda been my first big canopy.

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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
#24909828 - 01/13/18 05:06 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Wow,
Thats better than expected! Harvested second batch just now.
Pre picking:

After taking 500grams away:

FAK! 

Looks NOT like the canopy I hoped for but I feel this tub might put out way more than I expected for a first try at this tek (second grow ever) this might well end up providing 2-2.5 KG of
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
#24909869 - 01/13/18 05:41 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
#24910235 - 01/13/18 09:50 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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ShrooMonkey said: Wilhelm,
Thats odd.. somehow those GT liked it Much Much more toward that one side. How exactly did you place this tub to fruit. Exposed to or close to a window? I wonder why what caused the inner environment to be so much more hospitable for your shrooms on that one side. ..Or what caused the surface that did not pin to be so inhospitable..??? Was that tub placed close to a heat source of sorts?
Good point actually, as two of my boxes in this environment have been a little one sided, the side they shoot up is the side away from the rad.
There is a house radiator about half a meter away on a internal wall, I've just moved my station to be more central in the room at the end of the bed as now it does seem abit silly having that close.
However i am recording humidity and temp using an external sensor ontop of the tub and its within 20c-24c, RH ranges about 33-37
My only theory regarding it growing from the sides is how I prepared the boxes, I have another two on the go which I've been abit more careful with 'packing' the sides, as per Bod's video.
IN OTHER NEWS, another box came through today, using bod's harvest TEK managed not to complete fuck it.

34l tub, 4 quarts spawn, half a brick of coir....1.4kg wet. Thanks bod
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: willhelm]
#24910270 - 01/13/18 09:58 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Nice work everyone. I was purposefully a little absent from this thread. Yall know what you're doing and need to make mistakes and learn with experience.
One thing i will say is over misting can make the surface get matted down. Then it loses the moist surface appearance easier. Then people mist more and compound the problem.
If you're having that problem take the polar opposite approach. Leave the lid "in colonization mode" till your pinset. Then only mist if they look like they need it.
People seem to forget theres 1 gal of water in the average substrate made with a brick of coir. That's 8.8 pounds of water.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24910587 - 01/13/18 11:19 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Nice work everyone. I was purposefully a little absent from this thread. Yall know what you're doing and need to make mistakes and learn with experience.
One thing i will say is over misting can make the surface get matted down. Then it loses the moist surface appearance easier. Then people mist more and compound the problem.
If you're having that problem take the polar opposite approach. Leave the lid "in colonization mode" till your pinset. Then only mist if they look like they need it.
People seem to forget theres 1 gal of water in the average substrate made with a brick of coir. That's 8.8 pounds of water.
So bod, if this problem with the matted myc has already happened and instead of overcompensating, you would just leave it alone to help remedy, or is there just little hope at that point?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
#24910592 - 01/13/18 11:21 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Leave it. You'll probably get a ton of side pins tho
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24911958 - 01/13/18 08:36 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Leave it. You'll probably get a ton of side pins tho
Precisely what happened. I already harvested, just wanted to confirm that was what youd have done. Thanks!
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