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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
    #24885373 - 01/02/18 04:09 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

I sprinkled verm on one of my latest shoeboxes for the same drying out and it dint do well at all. I think I’ll just try to be more on top of the surface conditions and hope it recovers.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
    #24885447 - 01/02/18 04:36 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

I can assure you that has nothing to do with adding verm.
Granted, it isn't the best casing ever but it gets the job done of keeping the surface moist, when and if it's really needed, and it doesn't get colonized so that's a plus.
90% of the times cubes could not care less about a casing.

I was recently testing out a clone and I noticed that it needed a casing, which didn't take me by surprise because it has sone PE genetics.

This was the first tub I did with this clone:


I sprinkled some CVG on top when I realized it needed a casing but the myc was very aggressive and tried to colonize it. I fucked up.


This is the second tub I tried, just took the pic with my shitty phone camera:



This clone overruns the cvg pseudo-casing, so you kinda need a proper casing. I added verm out of the bag this time but I accidentally sprayed a lot of water till it was pooling, so that's all the shit you can see on some caps (besides some pieces of verm) and some deformed shrooms that are there but can't be seen in the pic.

Nonetheless, performance was much better on the tub with the verm layer applied in time.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
    #24885461 - 01/02/18 04:41 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Well I guess I could try it. How thick a layer would you apply. I think I went a bit too thick last time. I feel like I’m going to have a harder time judging when to mist of the surface is covered in verm also.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
    #24885491 - 01/02/18 04:52 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Honestly? I think the tub in your pic would be fine if you just let it be as it is and cut down on the misting, or even stop misting entirely. But I know that's asking the moon nowadays on the boards.

So if you wanna keep misting, you can add a verm layer, just lightly sprinkle some dry verm till the surface is covered, a very thin layer is enough. Then spray till it darkens and fucking forget about the tub till it pins. There'll be enough moisture on the surface till you see pins, so no need to keep misting or to do anything with the lid other than keeping it upside-down.
Now with the verm layer added you can mist without doing damage, but again, it should not be needed.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
    #24885509 - 01/02/18 04:57 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

:whathesaid:

People get stupid about moisture and humidity.
Ever see how well a loaf of bread molds. Its full of water but not wet or moist or damp.

There's a gallon of water in a brick of coir prepared. There's so much water that its not going all away from evaporation. Just keep the surface fine now and then it might take a light mist.

Fill a tub with a gallon of water and leave the lid completely off. Tell me how many days it takes to evaporate.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24885608 - 01/02/18 05:42 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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Honestly? I think the tub in your pic would be fine if you just let it be as it is and cut down on the misting, or even stop misting entirely. But I know that's asking the moon nowadays on the boards.

So if you wanna keep misting, you can add a verm layer, just lightly sprinkle some dry verm till the surface is covered, a very thin layer is enough. Then spray till it darkens and fucking forget about the tub till it pins. There'll be enough moisture on the surface till you see pins, so no need to keep misting or to do anything with the lid other than keeping it upside-down.
Now with the verm layer added you can mist without doing damage, but again, it should not be needed.



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:whathesaid:

People get stupid about moisture and humidity.
Ever see how well a loaf of bread molds. Its full of water but not wet or moist or damp.

There's a gallon of water in a brick of coir prepared. There's so much water that its not going all away from evaporation. Just keep the surface fine now and then it might take a light mist.

Fill a tub with a gallon of water and leave the lid completely off. Tell me how many days it takes to evaporate.



I agree entirely with both of you. I would be totally fine with not misting, it’s the blue bruising that worries me. I was hardly misting that tub before I posted that picture. It had lots of moisture beads in the center and looked good. It’s just when it starts to bruise that I get worried about misting. So then tell me how do I avoid this while at the same time being sparing with mistings?
Here’s what the tub looks like now. Also there are several small pins scattered about.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
    #24885625 - 01/02/18 05:50 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Bod I know you generally stay on the drier side of things and think people get a little nuts with the misting. Do your subs normally have moisture beads on the surface? And are you concerned if they don’t? Like I said before the only reason I will mist is if things start to look like they’re drying out. Unfortunately I’m alreqdy dealing with bruising in that tub in my picture as well as another shoebox. I’m realky trying to find the happy medium between proper moisture and not letting things dry out.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
    #24885725 - 01/02/18 06:40 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

I don't even see beads of water from condensation on the walls of the tub, mistake one, opening the lid a lot. I guess you kept the tub with the lid off for too long with the intention of misting a lot and getting quick evaporation, which in turn got you matted and stressed patches of myc, which don't seem to absorb more water or hold beads of moisture no matter how much you mist because that's the way myc is protecting itself against 'the misting assault".

That wouldn't have happened if you had kept the lid on and didn't mist, or mist sparingly. But again, I would not worry, that tub looks fine and ready to cum all over.

Tell me again guys cos I feel I'm missing something important here, what's the purpose of misting a lot and exposing the sub to too much air? Pinning faster I guess?  Cos ime the tub will pin when it's damn well ready, no sooner and no later.
Better pinset? Are we sure about that? Cos I don't think you gonna get a hell of a pinset if you fuck with the surface like that. :shrug:

At least add a proper casing next time if you want to keep doing the same, that way you can mist all you want.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
    #24885737 - 01/02/18 06:47 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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I don't even see beads of water from condensation in the tub, mistake one. I guess you kept the tub with the lid off for too long with the intention of misting a lot and getting quick evaporation, which in turn got you matted and stressed patches of myc, which don't seem to absorb more water or hold beads of moisture no matter how much you mist because that's the way myc is protecting itself againts 'the misting assault".

That wouldn't have happened if you had kept the lid on and didn't mist. But again, I would not worry, that tub looks fine and ready to cum all over.

Tell me again guys cos I feel I'm missing something important here, what's the purpose of misting a lot and exposing the sub to too much air? Pinning faster I guess?  Cos ime the tub will pin when it's damn well ready, no sooner and no later.
Better pinset? Are we sure about that? Cos I don't think you gonna get a hell of a pinset if you fuck with the surface like that. :shrug:



Even if you enlarge the pic you can’t see beads? I can. I’m surprised you can see the knots and not the moisture beads. And actually I didn’t remove the lid. I had said I planned to until I noticed that green speckle I thought was trich. I will do as you say though and leave it alone. I was under the assumption that more air exposure would help generate a better pinset though, but I will leave the lid on because I’m curious if it will do well that way. Any other tips?


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
    #24885742 - 01/02/18 06:48 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

I do agree with you on not fucking with things though Josex. I’ve got a shoebox that I haven’t touched at all that is beginning to pin and looks phenomenal.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
    #24885752 - 01/02/18 06:52 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

I meant beads on the walls of the tub, I can see none. Beads on the walls don't do shit for your grow but at least that tells you the tub is not drying out as fast as an open air grow would. That's what made me think you opened the lid more than needed.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
    #24885771 - 01/02/18 06:56 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Oh I gotcha. Yeah there isn’t much condensation on the walls. I’ve heard that’s not something to really pay much attn to though. Well I feel a bit better about everything but have one more question at the moment. In the areas that the myc got a bit bruised and matted; will it still pin there or are those sectors pretty much just dead space now?


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
    #24885870 - 01/02/18 07:38 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Gonna make one of these this weekend. Never tried the original 54q


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Germs]
    #24885906 - 01/02/18 07:45 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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Gonna make one of these this weekend. Never tried the original 54q



I’ll be interested to see how that goes for you Germs. Your shoeboxes looked very good! I gotta get me a 54qt too. Just got one 32qt right now.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
    #24886011 - 01/02/18 08:39 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

First one coming along nicely. 70q 1:1 6q spawn


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Shroomymancer]
    #24886694 - 01/03/18 04:46 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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First one coming along nicely. 70q 1:1 6q spawn






So with which method did you go in regards to the lid?

I started getting a lot of side knots with my coir tub even though I patted down the sides of the monotub like in bod's video.

The lid was on all the time but I did open it once a day without fanning it just to get a bit of air in there during colonization, is this an unnecessary practice? Is there enough air coming through the unlatched lids for colonization?

So now bod says that with these unmodified tubs you turn the lid at 80% colonization or you can turn and leave it ajar or even off when you are home.
In my case I saw the knots and now I want to turn the lid upside down and hopefully it will start giving some more knots on the surface?

My other unmodded tub is about 98% colonized horse manure and 2 days older than my coir tub but hasn't knotted yet so I thought I'll leave the lid upside down and a bit ajar on this horse manure tub to encourage some more evaporation just till I see the tiny mist beads on the surface dry up a little then I'll put the lid on upside down again?

Please tell me what you think.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: OriginalGinger]
    #24886882 - 01/03/18 07:53 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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So with which method did you go in regards to the lid?

I started getting a lot of side knots with my coir tub even though I patted down the sides of the monotub like in bod's video.

The lid was on all the time but I did open it once a day without fanning it just to get a bit of air in there during colonization, is this an unnecessary practice? Is there enough air coming through the unlatched lids for colonization?

So now bod says that with these unmodified tubs you turn the lid at 80% colonization or you can turn and leave it ajar or even off when you are home.
In my case I saw the knots and now I want to turn the lid upside down and hopefully it will start giving some more knots on the surface?

My other unmodded tub is about 98% colonized horse manure and 2 days older than my coir tub but hasn't knotted yet so I thought I'll leave the lid upside down and a bit ajar on this horse manure tub to encourage some more evaporation just till I see the tiny mist beads on the surface dry up a little then I'll put the lid on upside down again?

Please tell me what you think.




I have this tub which is WBS side by side with my Rye berry tub.

Top layer means I put 1/4" C/V/Gyp on the top after mixing the tub up and I misted it lightly. Closed the lid tight and stuck it on the self. I think this one was about 6-7q spawn.

Flipped the lid and misted again on the 26th when the surface looked mostly covered with spikey mycelium. Every time I mist I fan fresh air into the bin for 5-15 seconds (usually first thing in the morning after sleeping 7 hours).  When I check the bin and surface conditions are good I still fan fresh air into the bin for 5-15 seconds. If it's to wet I fan more.


Same bin this morning.  I told them they are doing a great job ( I didn't brush my teeth so I didn't speak into the tub to offend them:crazy2:). No misting. Sub pulling from the sides so I poured half a shot glass of water on both left and right sides. This bin has had the lid on it upside down perfectly aligned pretty much the entire time. Unless I was admiring them.


B+ Tub done exactly the same way with Rye. I've noticed in all cases my WBS experiments have pinned earlier, even if it was by just a day or two.

It is starting to pin out everywhere between last night and today.

I fan everything I do when I am misting. If it looks to wet I use paper towels to soak up pooling, leave the lid off for half a day or a few hours, or turn the lid at whatever degree to the side.

I'm open to any pointers as well. I feel this is the result of the last couple months of reading way to many teks and watching this thread along with  mushboys shoe box thread.:grin:

EDIT: Oh, and these are ALL multispore. Since this is my first run at everything I have not had the chance to get clones yet. My agar plate genetic selecting is not really there yet either.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Shroomymancer]
    #24886900 - 01/03/18 08:08 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

This is great thanks! So you left it with lid latched on for 8 days and that's enough fresh air for it to fully colonize? I'm going to do that with my new tub and see how it goes. Spawned it today just without a case layer and I didn't mist it either.

Does the shortage of air somehow help with knotting or is proper knotting related to fresh air?

Or does the fresh air only help when going from knots to pins?


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: OriginalGinger]
    #24886913 - 01/03/18 08:18 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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This is great thanks! So you left it with lid latched on for 8 days and that's enough fresh air for it to fully colonize? I'm going to do that with my new tub and see how it goes. Spawned it today just without a case layer and I didn't mist it either.

Does the shortage of air somehow help with knotting or is proper knotting related to fresh air?

Or does the fresh air only help when going from knots to pins?




It's my understanding that fresh air and evaporation is initiating fruiting procedure. I have noted that opening a bin early will also do nothing unless the myc is ready.  Apparently it knows when the substrate is fully colonized and the time is right. Bins that I have opened early, fanned and misted took just as long if not longer to get going. I leave them with the lids on now until they look ready for more moisture in combination with knotting or full colonization. In some cases I didn't even notice and didn't open until fat pins were everywhere. I have about 15 shoe boxes along side 4 unmodded 64-70q. So it's been a little crazy keeping track of it all. Everything from 1" -4" substrate, 1:1, 1:2, 2:1 etc. Learning by doing :wink:


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Shroomymancer] * 1
    #24886926 - 01/03/18 08:30 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

That's what puzzles me, people getting good pin sets without ever opening the unmodded tubs for the increased FAE...

But ok from now on I'll leave my tubs for 8-10 days and just watch the surface moisture from about day 6.
And then from day 8 or 10 I'll start misting if required.
Thanks for sharing man!


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