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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24860948 - 12/21/17 08:00 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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thanks. based on that first picture, what % colonisation would you say that tub is at? My guess is about 70%? (first-timer)
i'm reading through this thread and it seems the lid can be flipped anywhere from 50-90%. that is quite a large range. what are the reasons to flip a tub earlier/later and the benefits?
thanks again this is an awesome thread
Edited by mushroom_mode (12/21/17 08:29 PM)
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: mushroom_mode]
#24861003 - 12/21/17 08:28 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Probably more like 80%
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24861971 - 12/22/17 11:35 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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970g wet first flush, thanks bod.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: willhelm]
#24862001 - 12/22/17 11:56 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice fatties
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24869142 - 12/26/17 10:29 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thought i'd share where i am project wise and ask for some feedback. I got two 30 qt. tubs running as per this TEK: Day 24 since spawning Rye to Poo/V/G A:
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Those have been doing their very best to fruit I suspect but I figure my novice Shroom Kung Fu is weak. I find it hard to deal with the constant drying out of these both tubs. Hum in my home is real low and temp around 69. There's badly deformed shrooms poking out now but I figure many will say its tell tale mismanagement of the matter at hand..
Many of the lil' brown 1/4" heads have stopped developing.. My feeling says the surface is/has been too wet? The yellow spots seem unhappy..due to the mycelium getting even with some bacteria that got foot in there?
Im not fanning on machine, but by hand. Figure with an el. fan things will dry out even faster. Misting every 3 hrs or so atm. fanning as im with it anyways.
Detail on B:

Is it just that the 30qt tube are prone to drying out faster when taking so long as a cause of me doing this at such low (69) temp?
Started a second go with this TEK in a 60 qt tub Poo/V/G about 5 days ago:

Now D5:

Hope having a larger tub will work out better, substrate is somewhat thicker too dsay about 3,5/4" ... And no liner this time Same as above first try: col and fruit at 69 low RH indoors.
Hoping sum pro can chime in and say if that mycelium up top is okay !
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
#24869155 - 12/26/17 10:33 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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My place is 65-68 all winter and dry as fuck. Misting every three hours its probably waterlogged.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24869170 - 12/26/17 10:41 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I leave it be for a day or so to balance out, open up cracks more and no mist for a day or two and see?
Thanx for steppin in
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
#24869209 - 12/26/17 10:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like to go on the dry side of things when making substrate. I mist good and heavy maybe once a day to every other day and that keeps the surface moist almost a whole day as well as supply some moisture to the substrate to help the first flush along. And that's leaving the lid upside down and maybe an half inch to an inch ajar. If you just plain flip it you shouldn't need to do much other than a misting amount of a mist once a day or so
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24869273 - 12/26/17 11:39 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edit:
Bodhisatta, re-reading your feedback; you figure that keeping the substrate a tad on the dry side, and thus in constant need for re-hydration, is the better way to go? I mean, an aspect of fruiting is the FAE and evap, but I figured when I started evap was a thing that should come from within the substrate. What you are suggesting is with keeping it on the dry side is more of an evap from the surface both into the air and substrate.
Just trying to get a feel for things.
Tnx
Tnx Bodhisatta, just gonna go forward and dial down on the misting.
This seems like a straightforward TEK and it is, still it takes a keen eye to find a balance..
Learning!
Edited by ShrooMonkey (12/27/17 04:13 AM)
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ShrooMonkey]
#24874650 - 12/28/17 08:11 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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^ interested to hear the answer to this as well.
I've been leaving the lid at 90 degrees for almost the whole day.
The substrate has been shrinking from the edges, is this normal? (waiting for pins)
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: mushroom_mode] 1
#24875655 - 12/29/17 08:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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First Unbodified knotting like crazy
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Shroomymancer]
#24885068 - 01/02/18 01:43 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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Getting a bit concerned with this tub. For some reason the corners have gotten a bit matted down and won’t hold moisture beads anymore. They’re drying out much faster than the center of the tub. MORE IMPORTANTLY: Does this look like Trich in the corner. It doesn’t look much like mold but there is a tint of green kind is speckled in there. At first I thought it was bruising but it’s more green than blue.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
#24885163 - 01/02/18 02:28 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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Is the lid upside down or right side up?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JHOVA]
#24885191 - 01/02/18 02:44 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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JHOVA said: Is the lid upside down or right side up?
Had it upside down. I was gonna take it off completely for a few hours today to help trigger pinning though.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
#24885214 - 01/02/18 02:55 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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JFlint said: Getting a bit concerned with this tub. For some reason the corners have gotten a bit matted down and won’t hold moisture beads anymore. They’re drying out much faster than the center of the tub. MORE IMPORTANTLY: Does this look like Trich in the corner. It doesn’t look much like mold but there is a tint of green kind is speckled in there. At first I thought it was bruising but it’s more green than blue.

You don't have trich. That tub is healthy and it's about to explode, see all the knots?
Next time apply a CVG pseudo-casing at spawning if you want, that helps improve the surface conditions. That tub does not look dry to me, though.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
#24885218 - 01/02/18 02:58 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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Josex said: You don't have trich. That tub is healthy and it's about to explode, see all the knots?
Next time apply a CVG pseudo-casing at spawning, that helps improve the surface conditions.
Okay. Any idea on the matted mycelium around the corners. I’m happy to hear it isn’t trich but now the corners are a bit bruised from drying out. I can’t seem to keep the whole tub consistently hydrated. The corners dry out so damn fast. Would you take the lid off and keep an eye out and mist it more, or just put the lid back on flipped and let it do it’s thing? There are pretty large moisture beads across the center of the tub, it’s teally just the corners that are dry. I was way over misting my previous tubs and really was working hard on keeping this one better looking.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
#24885235 - 01/02/18 03:07 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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That can happen sometimes if you fuck too much with the misting, myc can get matted. Ideally, you want to leave the tub alone till you see pins, and even then only mist if needed. So much damage has been done in certain famous threads...
Trust the myc's ability to keep things nice and hydrated, taking you prepped the sub with the right moisture content and that the tub isn't exposed to too much outside air, cos that can dry shit out fast.
Mist if needed... but, do people really mist when needed? I think most don't
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
#24885249 - 01/02/18 03:13 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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I agree that too much fucking with it only results in damaging it. I tried to let it go as long as I could and I ended up getting caught up in my other tubs and I guess the corners dried out. I will leave the lid on and try to leave it alone. I just hope the corners can stay hydrated. I only wanted to take the lid off because both Mushboy and Bod have had good results in doing so, although I don’t know if they do that only after the pins have come in or not...
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
#24885268 - 01/02/18 03:21 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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Josex said: Mist if needed... but, do people really mist when needed? I think most don't 
Quoted for truth Either over mist or dry AF. People never mist when its just right, should be called the "Goldielocks" zone.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JFlint]
#24885290 - 01/02/18 03:30 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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JFlint said: I agree that too much fucking with it only results in damaging it. I tried to let it go as long as I could and I ended up getting caught up in my other tubs and I guess the corners dried out. I will leave the lid on and try to leave it alone. I just hope the corners can stay hydrated. I only wanted to take the lid off because both Mushboy and Bod have had good results in doing so, although I don’t know if they do that only after the pins have come in or not...
Sometimes the myc that you see on the surface is a tough modafoker and can take a lot of misting. Sometimes, it grows fluffy like yours (nothing to do with weakness though) and you get that reaction, myc matting because that's a way it has to protect itself from the assualt.
You're in time to sprinkle some hydrated CVG over the surface, or even verm out of the bag and mist the verm till it darkens.
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