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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: ihuntbacon]
    #27155878 - 01/18/21 04:38 PM (3 years, 9 days ago)

Hey all,

I'm officially overwhelmed.  I've been reading about this stuff for weeks and just keep falling deeper down the rabbit hole.  I've read 10 different teks for every stage of this process and finally just ordered 6 presterilized 1lb rye berry bags from a well regarded sponsor and a b+ syringe from a well-regarded source and thought I'd do I think SpitballJedi's monotub tek.  I was reading around here today and came across this tek and am completely flummoxed. 

Every other monotub tek I've read makes it seem like I'm trying to land an airplane with one wing missing and then I come across this and it's like "yea whatever squirt some spores on a loaf of stale rye bread, throw it in a shoebox, wait a few days and boomers." (Yes, I understand he doesn't say that but if I don't laugh, I'll cry).  I read about 40 pages of this thread but still just have some basic questions If you don't mind because the tek explanation is kind of light on the details. 

1.  Is the simplicity at the cost of decreased chance of success for a first time grower?

2.  Why isn't verm and gypsum needed? 

3.  Is all that it takes to go from colonizing to fruiting is to flip the damn lid once it's colonized??  Do the holes and polyfill stuffing teks increase yields? 

4.  Most teks just use indirect, ambient light, why the need for a light?  And in the picture, it looks like it's placed directly on the lid or am I not seeing that right?

5.  With 6lbs of fully colonized rye berries does,it make sense to do 2 (or even 3) 54 qt tubs?

I'm sure these questions have been answered somewhere in these hundreds page thread but please have mercy on me.  I'm shell-shocked by the simplicity.  So to anyone who takes the time to answer I'll give you my first damn flush. Thanks in advance.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: kidcharlemagne]
    #27155938 - 01/18/21 05:10 PM (3 years, 9 days ago)

I feel you man. There’s a ton of info and teks. The bottom line is if you have clean or even slightly bacterial spawn then you should get a decent yield. All this stuff makes things seem much more complicated than they are.


Most of us don’t do colonization and fruiting as separate stages anymore. You can start fruiting conditions as soon as you spawn the tub. Once it hits 100% colonization it’ll fruit on its own.


Simple is good at first. This tek, pasty’s ez dial, or shoeboxes are all ones I’d say are good to start with.


Verm and gypsum are just there to hold extra water, but that doesn’t matter much until you’re putting up canopies that need it. Regular coir holds plenty of water.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #27156298 - 01/18/21 09:09 PM (3 years, 9 days ago)

Thanks for the reply (and sympathy).  Can you explain what you mean "canopies that need it?". Do cubes not require that extra moisture reserve?  Also, I've been reading all this mycology theory about fruiting requiring more O2 and cooler temps - is all that wrong?  Im having a hard time reconciling all these experienced growers who seem to have vastly different opinions about what is required.  Thanks again


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: BExa]
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: RamJam] * 1
    #27156916 - 01/19/21 07:28 AM (3 years, 9 days ago)

Lol all the different methods just go to show how easy it is to grow cubes. Like I said get clean spawn into some kind of sub and they’ll take off.


Coir holds enough water that most of the time the shrooms have more than enough on the first flush. But if you’re pulling huge canopies then there might be enough mushrooms to deplete the water. They’re usually 90%+ water so if you harvest 100g wet over 90g of that is water from the coir.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #27157105 - 01/19/21 09:46 AM (3 years, 8 days ago)

My understanding is that gypsum adds calcium and sulphur which aid in all parts of the cycle but particularly during fruiting.  As a scientifically minded guy who gets a kick out of maximizing yields, I'm wondering if this tek is great for those looking for a super easy, low input method, but one in which, on average, you will probably sacrifice yield relative to a CVG mix and a more finely tuned tub.  I have a lot of time on my hands so I'm willing for a little more hassle for better yields.  What are your thoughts?  And thanks a bunch for your your input.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: kidcharlemagne]
    #27163077 - 01/22/21 08:43 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

I’ve got a more basic question. In your guys experience, how much grain spawn do you add to the mono tub? Mines in quart jars. Is 1 enough or should I do 2?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: MrXaven]
    #27163083 - 01/22/21 08:48 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

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I’ve got a more basic question. In your guys experience, how much grain spawn do you add to the mono tub? Mines in quart jars. Is 1 enough or should I do 2?




depends on your tub. The average "monotub" might be 54 quarts or there about... people put on average 7 "myco quarts" or quart jars that are 3/4 or less full. So maybe 4.5 actual quarts.

Lots of people put one myco quart into a shoe box.

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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: tedoro]
    #27163098 - 01/22/21 09:02 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

:whathesaid:

There's a few variables that have to be factored in to answer that question more direct. How deep do you want your substrate to be and what spawn to sub ratio do you want to use? What variety do you want to cultivate?

Some varieties act differently based on the amount of spawn to sub that is used. My first Rusty Whyte shoeboxes blobbed put pretty bad because the spawn to sub ratio was too high (1 part spawn to 2 parts sub). The next time I tried, I used a 1-4 ratio with much better results.

To be honest, I didnt even count the amount of spawn that I used but if I remember correctly, it was like 4 or 5 myco quarts. I wanted my sub to have a depth of 4 inches so what I did was draw a line 4 inches from the bottom of the tub and, mix a bunch of spawn and sub at the 1-4 ratio, fill the tub until it was just below the line, and cover the sub with a quarter inch of coir. Lightly pat it down and call it good.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27163107 - 01/22/21 09:11 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

Is the difference of outcome between 4 myco quarts and 7 myco quarts both at say 1:4 ratio in a 55qt tub just the yield? Are there any other reasons to go for a thicker sub? Keeps moist more easily maybe?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #27163195 - 01/22/21 10:07 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

Mushrooms are mostly water (somewhere around 90%). A deeper sub doesn't dry out as fast and provides plenty of water for the mushrooms at the cost of possibly less yield.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27163203 - 01/22/21 10:13 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

got it thanks, as a rookie I'll stick with a thicker sub to begin with. Now I just need to decide which to do first a bod unmodified, a pastywhyte ez dial or the shoebox tek in your sig! I'll try all 3 over time but will only have 5qts spawn (if none contam) for my first bulk grow


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #27163204 - 01/22/21 10:15 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

I just posted a question about this. I have always done the 10 days. I'm trying it different this time. I spawned 1 to 1.5 ratio of hpoo 65% coir 30 and the rest vermiculite and gypsum or close to that. After 3 days I trimmed back the black liner and cased with vermiculite adjusted to precisely 8.0. Left lid on over night. I'm about to put in the fruiting chamber with no lid. It gets fresh o2 and mist pumped in and temp around 78. I hope I don't end up fucking them up. There was healthy looking ryzo myc poking through substrate already


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: ivey77]
    #27163263 - 01/22/21 10:40 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

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got it thanks, as a rookie I'll stick with a thicker sub to begin with. Now I just need to decide which to do first a bod unmodified, a pastywhyte ez dial or the shoebox tek in your sig! I'll try all 3 over time but will only have 5qts spawn (if none contam) for my first bulk grow




Definitely do the shoeboxes. They're cheap and will help you get a feel for proper surface conditions. You will typically use .5-1 quart of grain spawn per shoe box so if you end up with a bad jar of spawn, you only lose 1 out of a handful of tubs vs losing 1 big tub. This unmodified tek is essentially just a shoebox that's been scaled up. Some people prefer to put a couple shoe boxes in a mono because shoeboxes dry out pretty fast and require more misting but I prefer it that way. It's taught me whether or not my coir is under/over field capacity and when to mist or introduce more FAE.

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I just posted a question about this. I have always done the 10 days. I'm trying it different this time. I spawned 1 to 1.5 ratio of hpoo 65% coir 30 and the rest vermiculite and gypsum or close to that. After 3 days I trimmed back the black liner and cased with vermiculite adjusted to precisely 8.0. Left lid on over night. I'm about to put in the fruiting chamber with no lid. It gets fresh o2 and mist pumped in and temp around 78. I hope I don't end up fucking them up. There was healthy looking ryzo myc poking through substrate already




Sounds like it's working. I havent done anything with verm or gypsum or manure yet. I've just been using straight coir. I'm gonna run some PE in a few weeks and get lernt up  on casings. Just haven't bought the material yet.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27163323 - 01/22/21 11:05 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

I have grown ape with limited success and yield. Pain in the ass variety. I just got a free syringe of PE6 with my order and I have pe but never bothered with it. I put the pe6 on some agar, I'll try one grain jar of it. Hoping it's not the headache ape is


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: ivey77]
    #27163490 - 01/22/21 12:39 PM (3 years, 5 days ago)

Thanks Mario, sounds like a plan, I have 4 shoe boxes so am good to go once my grain is although it sounds like even they are low maintenance. I did think I should probably do a Tek where frequent surface condition work is essential to force myself to learn.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: clockworkshroom]
    #27163500 - 01/22/21 12:44 PM (3 years, 5 days ago)

I love shoe boxes but eventually you'll get to the point where you'd rather clean a few big tubs instead of 15 shoe boxes (or 30 if you dub tub).


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #27163580 - 01/22/21 01:31 PM (3 years, 5 days ago)

Yeah once you get a few under your belt and know what you’re doing big tubs are great for mass producing one culture.

My whole career has pretty much been running as many varieties as I can get my hands on which ends up as a room full of shoeboxes.


Those full size canopies though...:awesomenod:


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #27163641 - 01/22/21 02:05 PM (3 years, 5 days ago)

If I know my spawn is clean I'm always going with the 66qt. 4-5 (generally 5) myco quarts. If the spawn is questionable its always a shoebox. If I have leftover quarts because maybe one got contam I usually use a 20qt box with 2 myco quarts.

I've learned that more spawn doesn't equal more mushrooms everytime. Some of my best tubs have been a 1:4 ratio but generally I like around 1:2.5 or 1:3


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: lookintolearn] * 1
    #27170747 - 01/26/21 11:40 AM (3 years, 1 day ago)

Not sure if this is correct place or quick question?  Anyways I'm noticing some user pic submits seem to have a deep layer of substrate. Way more than what I would use.("substrate envy"), Is the proper term possibly?  I would like to know yours as well as any others opinion on depth of substrate/spawn ratios.  I'm giving this tek a go in 12qt shoe boxes, each with 4/coir and aprox...1¼qt (full jars).  Depth is an unimpressive 3" compared to what I seen looking around in other peoples tubs.  Is this depth of substrate envy something  I should worry about? Does it result in bigger better and more flushes??  Thanks.......I'll post results in near future.  Looking forward to not explaining all the holes in my spent containers.


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