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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Dr PinkShroom]
    #26942653 - 09/18/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Holy shit arilou.

Hitting it 10/10 on the second run.


What kind and how much spawn??


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26942707 - 09/18/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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A.k.a said:
Holy shit arilou.

Hitting it 10/10 on the second run.


What kind and how much spawn??




Thank you. I'm pretty thrilled. Thanks be to Bod and all the community really. I read a lot.

ms B+, 2 agar transfers then oats. 6 quarts spawn (3 unmodified plastic lids, 3 with a full sfd and a 1/4'' hole) to 1 brick of coir (was 685g hydrated with 3085g of boiling water 4.5ratio). no liner.

Harvested after 13 days

I had 1 day off work where i left the top off completely and lightly misted every 30 mins, the next day there were pins everywhere. They really like that evaporation.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: A.k.a]
    #26947653 - 09/21/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hello all.  As I've rediscovered this hobby, 10 years later, I have had much fun and success with agar and grains. 

I am attempting bulk for the first time using Bod's unmodified tubs and some shoeboxes.  I have not been using overhead lights, but rather just a sunny window which I, perhaps incorrectly, assumed would ultimately be better for the fruities.  However, I now realize the lights serve to stimulate a sort of convection effect.  I'm also worrying if my house has been too cold, as I keep my central air off unless absolutely necessary.  I wear a sweater day and night if it's chilly.  I'd say it stays 60 - 70 in the house.  Perhaps this explains the potential issues I'm having. 

First I'm posing 2 shoeboxes and 1 tub to show the surface conditions and humbly ask for a critique/analysis of what our wonderful community can glean from them with regard to surface conditions or other factors. 

All are agar wedge to oat to coir w/ a lil verm and a thin top layer of coir just for fun.

First up is a 20 qt. Sterilite:  overhead, closeup, sideview.  Note the uncolonized corners?  Perhaps I should mist there a bit?  I just keep the lid flipped or fitting loosely.  Surface feels most and leaves my finger wet when touched. 
Day 12:




Next, a 54 qt. Sterilite with the same views.  Lid has remained flipped from the beginning.  Lots of moisture drops on the surface, and some pooling around the edges.  Too much? 
Day 12:




Day 12 6 qt. shoebox, loose lid.  Seems moist and dew-y.




These next 2 shoeboxes are all on day 4.  less moist, not sure if should mist.
20 qt. Sterilite:




12.7 qt. Sterilite less moist, not sure if should mist.




12.7 qt. Sterilite day 4 looks identical to above. 


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: hogstomper]
    #26948305 - 09/21/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

just want to say Thank you to BOB, this has been really informative :smile:


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Arilou]
    #26948434 - 09/21/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm currently following the same path you did.  MS syringe -> agar -> agar -> grain master (oats) -> grain spawn (oats). What were your growing conditions like? Room temp and RH%? Ambient light or direct light above your tub?

And one last thing, did you clone and spore print -> agar from that incredible flush you posted?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26948649 - 09/21/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone had to shift the lid a little bit to combat not enough FAE?

I seem to have multiple tubs that get small caps/long skinny stems, some short fat ones all breaking the veil early, and slightly fuzzy at the bottom.

I have the 32 qt, z-strain which I wonder about the MS being the culprit (some have been big but possibly GT mixed in).

Otherwise I am suspecting FAE so am experimenting by shifting the lid to see as of today. Wondering if this is something encountered by others and if shifting the lid a half inch or so offset end to end (smaller ends) is a good idea in general?

I thought I had issues with drying out substrate initially since some tubs were from BRF cakes but the rye ones seem to stay moist on top but also are starting to show small early breaking ones too :/ So the BRF ones aren't caused by BRF, which was one of my theories since they were started a week earlier.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26948721 - 09/22/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bitbytebit]
    #26948809 - 09/22/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Has anyone had to shift the lid a little bit to combat not enough FAE?

I seem to have multiple tubs that get small caps/long skinny stems, some short fat ones all breaking the veil early, and slightly fuzzy at the bottom.

I have the 32 qt, z-strain which I wonder about the MS being the culprit (some have been big but possibly GT mixed in).

Otherwise I am suspecting FAE so am experimenting by shifting the lid to see as of today. Wondering if this is something encountered by others and if shifting the lid a half inch or so offset end to end (smaller ends) is a good idea in general?

I thought I had issues with drying out substrate initially since some tubs were from BRF cakes but the rye ones seem to stay moist on top but also are starting to show small early breaking ones too :/ So the BRF ones aren't caused by BRF, which was one of my theories since they were started a week earlier.



Most problems are from moisture and health. Cubes grown in in-vitro bags usually look normal and they only get gas exchange. Of course fae is important but mostly for keeping it from being a mold farm.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26955285 - 09/25/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Oddly the rye grain tubs seem to have had the mini / dwarf mushrooms start shriveling up as if they are too dry. The surface is all white colonized covered but when I poke at it under it is brown dry seeming brown coco coir.

I added 100ml of water to the rye tub and it soaked up, the substrate is pulled away from the sides as if colonized and/or dry possibly. Yet the surface doesn't let the water soak down into the coco / substrate and pins are under the upper mycelium in a few cases even.

The BRF spawned tubs have less dry mushrooms but do have a few doing the same, and seem dry also. They took 2-3 weeks to colonize and start pinning, the rye one seemed to take forever, so could have dried out more than expected I think.

I suspect my amount of water used per coco coir needs to be higher, I didn't use vermiculite in the rye tub but did use it in the BRF tub. Used a gallon in the BRF tubs to a brick + 2 quarts verm + 4 quarts spawn, about 3.75 gallons in the rye tub each to a coco coir brick and 6 quarts spawn.

I think the genetics are prone to small mushrooms from the variety of tub setup, seems my atmosphere drys the tubs out, and my substrate / colonization part seems to end up dry with rye ones too colonized/surface is slick coated. I don't think contamination is causing the small state and drying out issue at least, since it spans across the rye and BRF tubs. Z strain that colonizes jars super fast vs any other spawn so far for me, yet mostly small dwarf mushrooms, and drying out issue seems to be appearing as a factor now.











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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bitbytebit]
    #26956941 - 09/27/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)



Is this P. Cubes mycelium?






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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Mtbromo]
    #26957005 - 09/27/20 04:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

lol kinda looks like it.

But...the flies and maggots. :uhoh:


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26957046 - 09/27/20 05:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hahaha

They were just little fruit flies, all dead now :smile:


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Mtbromo]
    #26957047 - 09/27/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It looks like cubes but in horrible conditions. Way too dry. Maybe some bacteria too.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26963330 - 10/01/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Mexican agar wedge to oat to coir + shoe box. Thanks Bod!





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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26964779 - 10/01/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Extremely new, this will be my first grow ever.

My only question, after mixing and putting everything into the tub, I just put the lid on upside down? I'm leaving it upside down and unsealed during colonization?

I understand leaving it upside down for fruiting. But I just want to make sure you leave it upside down for colonization as well...


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: RollinsKnight]
    #26964875 - 10/01/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Bodhisatta said: I now make no distinction between colonization conditions and fruiting conditions. I just chose to call it
Growing Conditions
My tubs do not dry out being in "fruiting conditions" during "colonization"




The lid stays upside down and is never latched. Everyone's environmental conditions will differ and what works for Bod might not work for us. You will have to judge surface conditions and decide whether you can simply leave the tub alone or make an adjustment. You may have to adjust the lid to get more or less FAE.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26965174 - 10/02/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

^^^yep.


You should begin fruiting conditions immediately though don’t worry about spawn run.

With the lid make very tiny adjustments to start out and give it a day while keeping an eye on it. I’ve got very low humidity so it’s more extreme for me but even opening the lid gap like a centimeter can make a huge difference.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26965201 - 10/02/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm a dirty noob as well, Is a way to check the lid gap spacing is correct, by checking the moisture on the tub walls? If there's moisture then the gap is good? If the walls have totally dried up bad?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26967604 - 10/03/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Vylie]
    #26967846 - 10/03/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quality post! The lid gap was the only thing confusing me about this tek.

That's such a good idea with the wire! 2mm ftw :smile:

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