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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26695183 - 05/25/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Shoeboxes should be really easy.

Most of the time you can leave the lid on the whole way til harvest.

Dubbing then works well for me and I’ve got about as low rh as it gets.




If I leave the lid on then they get super fuzzy feet and lots of aborts but the surface also looks dry.  If I mist then I get aborts also.  They're working but they aren't super easy for me.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: ShamanBag]
    #26695206 - 05/25/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like you need the lid on but with a fan going or something to move air.
And your coir might be prepped too dry.

Have you tried dubbing them? That’s worked fine for me when I do it.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26695268 - 05/25/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Minimize bacteria by reducing moisture levels in your grain prior to sterilization, and run at pressure for 2.5hrs AFTER VENTING the dry air from your PC, according to the manufacturer's specifications, to ensure full and proper sterilization... also, prepping your substrate a little drier, staying between 65-72° F and providing plenty of air exchange will help mitigate any existing infections


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26695563 - 05/25/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sounds like you need the lid on but with a fan going or something to move air.
And your coir might be prepped too dry.

Have you tried dubbing them? That’s worked fine for me when I do it.



I haven't tried that.  I have the rounded edge shoeboxes so I don't think that works. Maybe with a clip.  I also am stacking although I just switched to shelves so I don't have to stack.  Those are my first shoeboxes and first unomdified tubs so I'm still in the trial be error stage.  I am planning to increase the amount of sub and spawn in a shoebox. I've been running different amounts.  Some with 1 qt sub 1 qt spawn and those in particular are difficult to keep up with but yield not much less than the ones I've done with 2qt sub 2 qt spawn. 

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Minimize bacteria by reducing moisture levels in your grain prior to sterilization, and run at pressure for 2.5hrs AFTER VENTING the dry air from your PC, according to the manufacturer's specifications, to ensure full and proper sterilization... also, prepping your substrate a little drier, staying between 65-72° F and providing plenty of air exchange will help mitigate any existing infections




THanks.  I'll try this.  Mostly I'm seeing bacterial looking oats.  Not so much with the WBS but some.  I just can't seem to get oats to work well for me.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: ShamanBag]
    #26696878 - 05/26/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So I tried with the lid flipped on a couple tubs I mixed them all at the same time its been about 6 days I lifted the lid to smell them and they all look good so far but the smell was very strange I never smelled it before it was almost a spicy smell that hurt the back of my throat and made me cough is this normal is this just co2 build up I decided to pull the lids off and fan them all then the smell went away and started to smell normal I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26697034 - 05/26/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Oats need to be dry on the outside prior to sterilization... plump and hydrated internally, dry externally... WBS does seem particularly resistant to bacterial infection IME... oats are easy once you nail prep once and know what you're looking for, but admittedly one of the more finicky grains I've personally used... WBS, brown top and white round millets among the others

Smell could possibly be bacteria/competitor or stale air...  Or nothing at all! Hard to say from a perspective discription


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26697402 - 05/26/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have a strange idea I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried dissolving a bunch of gypsum in water then trying to rehydrate with that do you think you would get bigger flushes has anyone tried this?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26697451 - 05/26/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Also this tek says 3-4 days colonization time using g2g 1:10 is that true whatever variety I do takes at least a week always?
Does anyone think freezing would effect this I cook a whole bag of oats at one time then freeze them in zip locks until I need them


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26697516 - 05/26/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Gypsum is only for water retention(ph buffer maybe)... likely do better just adding it to your substrate before and hydrating to field capacity


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26697734 - 05/26/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

G2g has always taken 6-12 days for me.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26697935 - 05/26/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Have u ever tried freezing your grain before using it are there any negative effects?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26697952 - 05/26/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Freezer is the best way to store grain long term imo... short of long term storage, or an existing weevil problem, I'd not mess with doing it... cool and dry


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26698314 - 05/27/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I see bod doesnt have a video of g2g transfers can anyone tell me if I'm missing any steps first I put on gloves, 70% iso my gloves and sab with paper towel,spray sab with water,iso wipe jars with paper towel outside sab then again once inside,then I make sure I'm working at the back of the sab I shake the master jar and crack all the sterilized jar lids to make sure they come off nicely when i need them to then i open my master jar and go jar to jar transferring then I screw the bands back on I dont use a towel at the bottom is there anything I can do to be more sterile?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Spreadtheknowledge]
    #26698945 - 05/27/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds about right.

You should usually wipe the bands down with iso also.

Then just move slowly and put the lid back as soon as you finish pouring grain.

Idk what you’re working with but using a quart master I have trouble getting the last third of the grain out cuz the jar will bump the roof so I have a piece of styrofoam I lean the receiving jar on so it’s not standing straight up and I have more room.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26699176 - 05/27/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I feel like my tubs are going to start pinning any day now. The anticipation is killing me (in a good way)!







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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Phrontist]
    #26699366 - 05/27/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Question for someone experienced how often do you restart using agar or do you just keep using the same clone with grain transfers for years?


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26699388 - 05/27/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You think these 46qt iris weathertight totes would be the same? That’s the only thing I can find out here
 


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Shroomeaterpeter]
    #26699505 - 05/27/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I was looking at these myself I was thinking the 62qt would be better they have the same height with more surface area I know they have 2 extra latches on the side but worst case you can just plug those and with more surface area u should be able to get a bigger first flush


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Phrontist]
    #26699634 - 05/27/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I feel like my tubs are going to start pinning any day now. The anticipation is killing me (in a good way)!










How old?

They look pretty good but I don’t see knots yet so it’ll probably be a minute til pins unless there’s hidden knots.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26699742 - 05/27/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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How old?

They look pretty good but I don’t see knots yet so it’ll probably be a minute til pins unless there’s hidden knots.




Those were put to substrate 17 May, so 10 days. Just a reminder that it’s the tub with one qt of spawn I posted about before. The previous pics were to show a friend the surface in detail. Here are a couple that show some of the knots (I think?) scattered around. Which way would you recommend having the lid at this point?





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