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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#26569811 - 03/31/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, true. But isn’t the moisture climate lessened with more grain jars?
Also, what would happen if I mixed jars from different plates? Still Cambodians...
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JessicaRabbit88]
#26569880 - 03/31/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You could mix varieties. Performance seems to be quite varied when mixing varieties tho. Mixing the same variety ain't no big deal. Grain is moist too but too much is too much
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JessicaRabbit88]
#26569893 - 03/31/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I mixed 4qts Burma with 1qt PE recently. Got a Burma flush then a PE flush a few days later. PE flush was much smaller as I suspected it might be.
Probably wouldn't do it again. Just had an extra PE jar I needed to use. Shoulda g2g'd it.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26569980 - 03/31/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey Bod...what are those plastic bags you are using in the first pic of the tub in the Tek? Are you doing one quart of spawn per bag? How much sub? Seems if you have a bad jar of spawn you could just pull the bad bag without ruining the whole tub. Could you elaborate what you did there and how do yields compare using those bags?
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: ShamanBag]
#26570050 - 03/31/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's a liner. Like a cut up trash bag
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26570066 - 03/31/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: That's a liner. Like a cut up trash bag
Is there a specific size that fits perfectly or just basic bathroom trash can type and then squeeze them in to fit? They look like they fit perfectly in your tub. Did you notice any change in yield using individual bags or any other comments on using them?
Edit: Oh wait..I see.. it looks like individual bags but it's just a regular liner with crinkles. Nevermind. Excellent teks man. Thank you.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: ShamanBag]
#26579746 - 04/05/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If anyone is bored I could use some guidance. My last batch had a ton of side pins and I am pretty sure it was because I let it get too dry.
This is my latest batch and looks like colonization is uneven to me. I think it may be too dry and possibly has bacteria issues. Light is on a timer for 7 hours per day. Thanks in advance!
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: RagonkTerramy] 1
#26579808 - 04/05/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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RagonkTerramy said: If anyone is bored I could use some guidance. My last batch had a ton of side pins and I am pretty sure it was because I let it get too dry.
This is my latest batch and looks like colonization is uneven to me. I think it may be too dry and possibly has bacteria issues. Light is on a timer for 7 hours per day. Thanks in advance!

Would change the light to 12/12. It's the only light cycle setting I've seen recommended for shrooms.
Other that that, your shrooms look just like some Burmas I grew recently. They grew super short and had the soft dark dimples in the middle of the caps like some of yours do. I've read that short dark shrooms can indicate too much moisture. The dimple may be because they're hollow.
I can't see well enough to tell if a sub is too dry in a photo, but what makes you think it is or was?
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: susurrador] 1
#26579867 - 04/05/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Idk about the sub but your surface is dried.
Try to keep the humidity up.
Still looks like it worked out pretty well though.
I also get Burma’s just like that. I saw these monster shrooms in the pictures then all mine are two inches tall lol. Strong though.
 Always got those white spots too.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: susurrador] 1
#26579961 - 04/05/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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In my recent experience using the unmod tubs is you have to be really careful with moisture since there are no holes and poly at the substrate level.
If your surface is drying too often and your misting to compensate a lot of moisture is going wick into the substrate and over the course of a week you can end up with a waterlogged sub.
This will likely cause short fruits.
With a standard mono there is the ability to somewhat better calibrate the FAE by adjusting the density of the polyfill as opposed to the unmod tub where you're using a flipped, rotated or removed lid so the amount of FAE control during certain stages can be detrimental to the grow depending on the rooms temperature and RH.
Having that regular mono lid on normal you're separating the tubs envrionment from that of the room a little better than an unmod does. The poly holes are there to regulate the climate and the automation process is more apparent. Its a set-n-forget method most of the time.
Bod even says in this tek that "you have have to know how to dial it in, what to look for, you cant just throw one together and expect it to grow properly"
Essentially that means you have to figure out what you need to do to ensure the room doesn't interfere too much with the climate if the tub. If it does figure out what you need to do to dial it in and have awareness of what the tub is telling you. Once you do a few youll have it dialed in and itll become as autonomous as a traditonal mono.
Theres no doubt in my mind the unmod is a great method but everyone has different conditons and prep methods. What works for John might be bad for Jack to do. Jack has to read the room not mimic the actions of ol John.
Im in an area that has shifts in weather almost daily. My room can be too warm one day while humid and the next day it can be much cooler and dry. This effects the passivity a monotub is supposed to provide and a traditional mono does so much better than an unmod for a situation like that because youre not exposing it to more of an open air environment, which is flunctuating, during the initial fruting stages.
I have to be careful with moisture control because what i do today could be negated or amplified by tomorrows weather. Sometimes its best to leave it alone and let the tub regulate its self. To do that you have to put that lid on whichever way will be best. Its the only dial the tub has so to speak.
I reccomend making sure your field capacity is as tight as possible if not slightly less than FC. Its much easier to add moisture later when it really needs it opposed to having too much micro-managing it. Youre losing less moisture during colonization because there arent any poly holes at the sub level the entire time. The unmod will hold moisture better so having too much is less forgiving than a traditional mono.
Along with that also keep the lid unflipped with the gasket removed until you see knotting then prepare to flip it after initial pinning.
If the surface dries too often prior to knotting mist VERY lightly with a fine mist and unflip the lid back and try to let the sub and tub bring out its own moisture to the surface. Then flip again when you need to. This will prevent you from having to mist too often which isnt always a good thing so give it a chance to create more of a natural surface evaporation/moisture to induce pinning over the course of a few days not like every 4-6-8 hours when the surface dries.
Of course everything i just said is entirely relative to my own conditions im just giving some food for thought.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: shevanel]
#26580418 - 04/05/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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susurrador said:
Would change the light to 12/12. It's the only light cycle setting I've seen recommended for shrooms.
Other that that, your shrooms look just like some Burmas I grew recently. They grew super short and had the soft dark dimples in the middle of the caps like some of yours do. I've read that short dark shrooms can indicate too much moisture. The dimple may be because they're hollow.
I can't see well enough to tell if a sub is too dry in a photo, but what makes you think it is or was?
Ok I'll change the lighting to 12/12. I see the sub start to pull away on the edges and I'm getting side pinning. I think I've confused sub vs surface. I think my surface is too dry.
These are Argentinas and in my experience they do grow short & thick. Not sure if it's supposed to be that way but they provide a great experience. Thanks!
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A.k.a said: Idk about the sub but your surface is dried.
Try to keep the humidity up.
Still looks like it worked out pretty well though.
I also get Burma’s just like that. I saw these monster shrooms in the pictures then all mine are two inches tall lol. Strong though.
 Always got those white spots too.
Yeah I'm definitely getting that feeling too. These are short, thick, and get the job done. Thanks!
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shevanel said: In my recent experience using the unmod tubs is you have to be really careful with moisture since there are no holes and poly at the substrate level.
If your surface is drying too often and your misting to compensate a lot of moisture is going wick into the substrate and over the course of a week you can end up with a waterlogged sub.
This will likely cause short fruits.
With a standard mono there is the ability to somewhat better calibrate the FAE by adjusting the density of the polyfill as opposed to the unmod tub where you're using a flipped, rotated or removed lid so the amount of FAE control during certain stages can be detrimental to the grow depending on the rooms temperature and RH.
Having that regular mono lid on normal you're separating the tubs envrionment from that of the room a little better than an unmod does. The poly holes are there to regulate the climate and the automation process is more apparent. Its a set-n-forget method most of the time.
Bod even says in this tek that "you have have to know how to dial it in, what to look for, you cant just throw one together and expect it to grow properly"
Essentially that means you have to figure out what you need to do to ensure the room doesn't interfere too much with the climate if the tub. If it does figure out what you need to do to dial it in and have awareness of what the tub is telling you. Once you do a few youll have it dialed in and itll become as autonomous as a traditonal mono.
Theres no doubt in my mind the unmod is a great method but everyone has different conditons and prep methods. What works for John might be bad for Jack to do. Jack has to read the room not mimic the actions of ol John.
Im in an area that has shifts in weather almost daily. My room can be too warm one day while humid and the next day it can be much cooler and dry. This effects the passivity a monotub is supposed to provide and a traditional mono does so much better than an unmod for a situation like that because youre not exposing it to more of an open air environment, which is flunctuating, during the initial fruting stages.
I have to be careful with moisture control because what i do today could be negated or amplified by tomorrows weather. Sometimes its best to leave it alone and let the tub regulate its self. To do that you have to put that lid on whichever way will be best. Its the only dial the tub has so to speak.
I reccomend making sure your field capacity is as tight as possible if not slightly less than FC. Its much easier to add moisture later when it really needs it opposed to having too much micro-managing it. Youre losing less moisture during colonization because there arent any poly holes at the sub level the entire time. The unmod will hold moisture better so having too much is less forgiving than a traditional mono.
Along with that also keep the lid unflipped with the gasket removed until you see knotting then prepare to flip it after initial pinning.
If the surface dries too often prior to knotting mist VERY lightly with a fine mist and unflip the lid back and try to let the sub and tub bring out its own moisture to the surface. Then flip again when you need to. This will prevent you from having to mist too often which isnt always a good thing so give it a chance to create more of a natural surface evaporation/moisture to induce pinning over the course of a few days not like every 4-6-8 hours when the surface dries.
Of course everything i just said is entirely relative to my own conditions im just giving some food for thought.
You're describing what I think is happening here. In the past I was just happy to get fruits. Now I'm trying to learn how to better understand what I'm seeing and dial in the proper conditions. I'm trying to learn the balance between too dry and too humid. Thank you for all the feedback. I will refer to this again in the future.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26580871 - 04/06/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thank you!
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Seabaths]
#26580940 - 04/06/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey guys spawned this tub on 3/30, still pretty new, as far as i can tell it looks okay, but it has this almost bread like smell heres pics:
 Possibly bacterial? Maybe the smell is just because it isnt full colonized? Havent seen anything like this anywhere. All help is appreciated
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Goombala]
#26581063 - 04/06/20 05:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Goombala said: Hey guys spawned this tub on 3/30, still pretty new, as far as i can tell it looks okay, but it has this almost bread like smell heres pics:
 Possibly bacterial? Maybe the smell is just because it isnt full colonized? Havent seen anything like this anywhere. All help is appreciated
Have you smelled a colonizing tub before?
Should smell like wet coir and mushrooms. The only change is it gets more mushroomy as you progress into fruiting.
A strange smell might indicate something is off but if you haven't fruited a bunch of tubs, might be hard to tell if what you smell is normal or not.
The dark color and bare grains looks like maybe you're getting it too wet, started too wet, not letting it dry enough between mistings, or maybe over spraying too close to the sub surface and the force of the water is blasting the grains clean.
What is your substrate composed of?
Have you started misting yet?
What's your lid situation?
Temps?
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: susurrador]
#26581400 - 04/06/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is my second tub. I have another which smells really shroomy and is coming along nicely. The temp hasnt been over 75. Just flipped the lid because of how moist it looks when i smelled something different. 0 mistings its just like the tek oats and coir.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Goombala]
#26582941 - 04/06/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What is the recommended method for rehydrating after first flush harvest?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: brindle foxx]
#26583010 - 04/06/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I Pour water on it and down the sides and let it sit for 10-15 then drain. Let some air dry it up a tad then give it a fine mist maybe 3 seconds on a pressure mister or 2 squeezes on a pro if it dried too much then place that flipped lid it on it.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: shevanel]
#26583036 - 04/07/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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shevanel said: I Pour water on it and down the sides and let it sit for 10-15 then drain. Let some air dry it up a tad then give it a fine mist maybe 3 seconds on a pressure mister or 2 squeezes on a pro if it dried too much then place that flipped lid it on it.
Any exact measurement per “ of substrate level? Do you do full submerge after 2nd flush?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: PiptheGreAtest]
#26583082 - 04/07/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Probably 10oz of water.
No i never submerge. Coir sub will absorb water petty quickly.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: shevanel]
#26583102 - 04/07/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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shevanel said: Probably 10oz of water.
No i never submerge. Coir sub will absorb water petty quickly.
Per inch of sub or per 66qt tub?
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