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bodhisatta 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: oscar23]
#26332190 - 11/19/19 08:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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oscar23 said: Hey bod,I have been experimenting with a few different teks, and stumbled upon yours recently, and after reading it through, I'm gonna try giving it a go. So I have everything I need, but in regards to the 54 qt sterilite tubs.. if you flip the lid upside down it creates those 4 air gaps, but also has gaps around the whole lid, basically all the lines in between the 4 big gaps. I feel like this would generate too much FAE. Do you use a weight on the lid so the inner gaps disappear and only the 4 bigger ones sustain?
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26332301 - 11/19/19 09:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't expecting a response from you , strangely I got a little star struck haha
I followed all your teks to get to this point, Agar, Oats, PC, SAB, Bucket coir, I go through your posts pretty much every day, thanks for all the great info you put out man I probably wouldn't have been able to do this had it not been so consolidated and comprehensive.
As I stated before this is my first attempt so some things I'm still unsure about
Right now my tub is resting with the lid upside down, it's still colonizing How will I know when its beginning to "fruit"? although you mention you make no distinction
In terms of fanning do you fan during colonization? I have a ceiling fan running most of the day does it matter lid on or off?
When you say "let it breath" you mean lid off?
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. *DELETED* [Re: swiftchancellor]
#26332578 - 11/20/19 02:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: 174BPM]
#26332651 - 11/20/19 05:01 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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No during colonization the lid doesn't come off that's an option during fruiting. Its very clear in the first post.
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26337796 - 11/22/19 09:44 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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okay so - got a tub going that I mixed yesterday, started off with LC I made when I did my first grow (PF tek) on rye, but I mixed up some teks in my head while planning and put a couple dumb amendments in the coir on this batch. Then when I was all done I re-read the tek and then the entire thread and was like wait what the hell, why did I do any of that, I didn't need any of that shit!!
I'm still confident in my technique (not a biologist but worked in a lab with a BSL-3 room in college) and in the spawn, so fingers crossed my amended shit doesn't contam, but at some point last night I realized I just need to do the whole tek the right way start to finish, from isolating a nice strain to doing a straight coco or CVG tub, so I ordered what I needed. Will be fun to see the side by side results between this experimental tub and a proper one. Probably a good cautionary tale. I'll update once I get going on that portion of it, just wanted to express my gratitude now that I've completely caught up on the thread, thanks to bod and everyone who has taken time to answer people's questions! It speaks volumes about the tek and to everyone here that this thread is still going strong 4 years later. some real inspirational shit in here!!
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: trubblesome]
#26342853 - 11/24/19 04:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I’m on day 10 since going to substrate, today I notice several side pins growing, I know I didn’t use a liner as per Bods unmodified tek, but I’m wondering why there are side pins but no pins on the surface
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: swiftchancellor]
#26342860 - 11/24/19 04:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because your surface conditions were not optimal. Probably got too dry.
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: rickyswamps]
#26343025 - 11/24/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is there anything I can do now to correct it?
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: swiftchancellor]
#26343104 - 11/24/19 05:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Make sure you’ve got good humidity on the surface. Not much you can do on the side pins outside of messing with the sub and you don’t wanna do that. A few sidepins aren’t the end of the world. What’s your care schedule and methods like, sub is 100% coir, lid always flipped, etc...?
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: swiftchancellor]
#26343123 - 11/24/19 05:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes I did 100% coir, I’ve left the lid upside down pretty much since day 1, I couldn’t really tell what to look for in terms of how the surface was supposed to look, started reading a lot more and learned it was supposed to have water beads on the surface so I placed the lid the normal way for 2 days, up until yesterday .
mine was running pretty dry the whole time . I had been doing light 12/12, And lid upside down
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: swiftchancellor]
#26343230 - 11/24/19 06:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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For the 2nd flush, keep those beads of water on the surface and give it a little less FAE. For the future, put a layer of coir on top of the substrate at spawning. It really helps with the surface conditions.
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: rickyswamps]
#26343261 - 11/24/19 07:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I’ve found that slightly tamping down along the sides helps with sidepins. Also agree with @rickyswamps, the pseudo-casing has helped ensure optimal surface conditions. Going forward, try not to mess with that lid too much. Start flipped and keep it that way. You’ll get proper GE for colonization and FAE for your fruiting stage, especially so on first flush if you’ve got good field cap. Take notes and keep experimenting. I’m a “noob” mono grower and the few comments I’ve shared have worked for me. Patience is the hardest part. I ran BOD’s tek and pulled over a zip dry in one 54 qt tub and my pin set was pretty centralized to only 2/3 of the tub. You’ll be fine
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: Jrzdvil]
#26343290 - 11/24/19 07:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jrzdvil said: I’ve found that slightly tamping down along the sides helps with sidepins. Also agree with @rickyswamps, the pseudo-casing has helped ensure optimal surface conditions. Going forward, try not to mess with that lid too much. Start flipped and keep it that way. You’ll get proper GE for colonization and FAE for your fruiting stage, especially so on first flush if you’ve got good field cap. Take notes and keep experimenting. I’m a “noob” mono grower and the few comments I’ve shared have worked for me. Patience is the hardest part. I ran BOD’s tek and pulled over a zip dry in one 54 qt tub and my pin set was pretty centralized to only 2/3 of the tub. You’ll be fine
Cool, thanks a lot! This is my first try so im still unsure about a few things, maybe my hows is not very humid because the beads on the surface tend to dry up quick, I had ceiling fan running also for the first couple of days and it maye have really dried it out.
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: rickyswamps]
#26343295 - 11/24/19 07:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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rickyswamps said: For the 2nd flush, keep those beads of water on the surface and give it a little less FAE. For the future, put a layer of coir on top of the substrate at spawning. It really helps with the surface conditions.
Thank you, when you say less FAE, should I place the lid on normal?
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: swiftchancellor]
#26344187 - 11/25/19 08:56 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, you can put it on regular and adjust how it is cracked to increase or decrease the air exchange. I don’t flip it over until the pin set is in. But it depends on your climate and room conditions.
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I’ve read this thread, the grain spawn with oats thread and the substrate thread as well as watching the video. I really want to go with Bod’s monotub tek but I can’t see anything mentioning when I use my spore syringe and how I actually use it? I am VERY new to this so it’s all very alien to me. Thanks
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Re: Confused [Re: JDOG26]
#26344920 - 11/25/19 03:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Go to Midwest grow kit how to forum and check out inoculating grain bags or just YouTube pf tek videos. The truth is out there.
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Re: Confused [Re: JDOG26]
#26346380 - 11/26/19 09:27 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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it Is recommended that you start with agar. In bods easy AF list there are complete teks from start to finish.
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Just finished the first flush on 2 unmodded mini tubs (27qt). Was my first time doing bulk and it went great. It was interesting to watch them progress.
The first tub had a deeper substrate and slightly thicker top coat. It maintained surface conditions perfectly and I didn't have to mist at all for the first flush.
The second tub wasn't as deep and had just enough top coat to cover the grains. It maintaned beads of moisture until I flipped the lid at pinning. After that it required 2-3 mistings a day to keep from drying out.
Both tubs were side by side and spawned on the same day. Tub 2 was harvested 36 hours before tub 1 and the yields were very close.
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So my tub started pinning like crazy, the only problem is 90-95% of my pins are all side pins. I understand now why it happened, but as far as moving forward I’ve received mixed suggestions. Some said leave it alone and let it run its course, other said cut off the edges of the sub and place it in a new tub giving the pins room to grow. I just want to know what would be the best course of action. Hoping i can get some guidance or help
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