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bodhisatta 
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: BloodThirstyPoodle]
#26267897 - 10/21/19 05:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks like it was too wet
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BloodThirstyPoodle
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26268167 - 10/21/19 07:05 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Looks like it was too wet
Veil just broke on the bigger fruits, but I feel like these are much smaller than what I’ve seen on here. Would being too wet cause this? Trying to take notes to get bigger fruits for next time.
Edited by BloodThirstyPoodle (10/21/19 07:08 PM)
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rxsw
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: BloodThirstyPoodle]
#26269395 - 10/22/19 10:39 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks good, thanks
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26269511 - 10/22/19 11:20 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Total noob 1st grow attempt...lots of side pins but lots of top pins too. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26269910 - 10/22/19 02:20 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is PE from MS. I posted in cultivation but I wanted to thank you again. I used to use monotubs like crazy. I still have some, but I'm definitely never making more. I just buy more tubs like this to make it easier on myself. Didn't give the tub enough FAE, inititally, so it started to pin on the bottom where I got a nice 17g of beef cakes. I let the tub immediately dry out more as I tend to make my tubs on the wetter side - yet it still dries out relatively quick for me. Adding the casing layer helped the pins on top to really come in as I continued to mist as necessary. The top put out 68g (85g total first flush) for a 32qt. Thanks again, Bod.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26269973 - 10/22/19 02:55 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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simple easy to follow tek thank you for this
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26286283 - 10/30/19 02:34 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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20 days in, no pins yet on one of my 2 tubs.
Colder temps here, room fluctuating between 14*(57) - 20*(68) ish.
I split 1 brick between two smaller tubs (32L tub) (tub in OP unavailable in my country).
Tub 1: A lot of / excessive small water beading / droplets on the totally colonised surface. This tub has had the lid flipped from the beginning, 20 days ago. Apart from no pins yet, it looks good / as expected, except maybe a bit too much water beading.
Tube 2: Only partially colonised, no water droplets and has already started growing pins sporadically (looks shit actually). This tub had lid fastened for first 10 days, as an experiment. After 10 days it looked like nothing had happened really, especially compared to Tub 1, So I decided that was the end of the experiment for me - I thought that was clear enough that lid flipped from beginning was a better option.
*experiment not really that scientific, as B+ used for Tub1, and Tub2 is done with a 5.5 year old GT spore syringe that I found in a drawer in my room!
Thought it was strange how one tub has so much beading and the other has zero considering they were both done with the same coir brick that was split, but all I can assume is that its to do with tub2 being closed for the first 10 days, or would the different variety of cubes cause the difference? Or could it be that the spore syringe being that old the genetics are shite?
My tubs only have 1 air gap at either end of the tub, rather than the 4 gaps that tub in OP has, could also be defining factor, not enough FAE?
Edited by chemicalbros (10/30/19 02:35 AM)
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slacking65
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I agree with you. I grew 3 tubs, tubs 1 and 2 substrate were too wet, tub 3 was much drier and it had the biggest 1st flush/biggest fruits (and I cut way back on the misting). All three tubs fruited way before the substrate was fully colonized though so perhaps some contamination issues as well, although I don't see or smell anything weird. Oh well, I figured my first grow would be a learning experience, we'll see what subsequent flushes do.
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Well at least I have 9 other tubs that I can practice not over spraying... lmfao.
Gonna go with the spawn, normal lid to 50-75% and flip, dont mist until after first flush unless absofuckinlootly neccessary (I've been misting daily to keep a dark looking coir and to keep beads on the mycelium pre pin).

After reading 173 pages I do believe that I got this unmodded thing down, but we shall see!
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WhoManBeing
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Re: Agreed [Re: 174BPM]
#26289899 - 10/31/19 01:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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¿ Question ?
Tub in 68-74 degree F. Comparable to others pictures, no condensation on sides of tub other there at substrate level. During colonization, much spray needed to keep coir wet. Now, with fruits, very small to seen before and some cracks to one or two tops been seen. The weather has dropped a lot in past days. Cold dry air has my lips cracking too! The room tub in stays that 68-74F.
800g coir was hydrated with 4000ml water.
Ideas?
Just read of how could tight FAE to endure better humidity. Now, taping open air gap to lid be something worth trying?
Just noticed a cold draft coming from under door. Thinking that could be cause to drying out like such. So, put towel down to block draft and taped up some gap to tubs to limit FAE. Will see what becomes.
Still wonder if why fruits seem to grow short. All above variables to such. Wonder what to change in next few days to grow of as with slight changes to atmosphere fruits be in.
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Edited by WhoManBeing (10/31/19 02:19 PM)
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Quote:
WhoManBeing said: ¿ Question ?
Tub in 68-74 degree F. Comparable to others pictures, no condensation on sides of tub other there at substrate level. During colonization, much spray needed to keep coir wet. Now, with fruits, very small to seen before and some cracks to one or two tops been seen. The weather has dropped a lot in past days. Cold dry air has my lips cracking too! The room tub in stays that 68-74F.
800g coir was hydrated with 4000ml water.
Ideas?
Just read of how could tight FAE to endure better humidity. Now, taping open air gap to lid be something worth trying?
Just noticed a cold draft coming from under door. Thinking that could be cause to drying out like such. So, put towel down to block draft and taped up some gap to tubs to limit FAE. Will see what becomes.
Still wonder if why fruits seem to grow short. All above variables to such. Wonder what to change in next few days to grow of as with slight changes to atmosphere fruits be in.

I recently had this same issue. I live in a super dry climate and the top layer of the substrate kept drying out with the lids flipped and only water droplets I had were at substrate level. I’d caution on over misting which is what I did to try and compensate.
I’m on the second flush now and didn’t mist at all and the fruits were a little bigger. I may not even “rehydrate” after he second flush since I think my substrate has a little too much water when I initially cooked the coir.
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WhoManBeing
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Thanks for advice.
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I think your flush is looking great. I keep my lids on as long as possible so the sweat can build up good then open up for fae around day 14. I do get my sub to about 8-10 drip field capacity. I hardly ever mist.
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Just read through the entire thread. Very informative stuff! Thank you for this amazing tek
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chasingwaterfalls
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Same here, 2 weeks into my first unbodified tub, love the simplicity! I got two pins way ahead of the game, but I admit I probably peeked a bit too eagerly..
Looking back at the OP, looks like I finished my last monotub a month before it was posted I recall needing to toss my plastic containers, a sgfc & 2 monotubs. Never again
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I've been having more success with these unmodified tubs when I started finding the right water content, BUT that's not just coir! How wet is your spawn?
Dry:
48 oz of rye (or wheat or oats) 650g brick of coir
Wet Water into the above:
118oz of water is the absolute edge of dry. Barely can grow cubes there.
120oz I got very weak flushes.
125oz I got better flushes
130oz the mycelia was bright white and thickly colonized the coir
Grain spawn prepped with 48oz of dry grain can vary 2 or more cups of water content! I run really dry myco bags at 41% (including the water within dry grains).... And then I read and talk with people using grains from mason jar grows at 51% water content. Thats 2 cups difference!!
Heads up when we are trying to figure that perfect spot! These set and forget unmodified grows really like to be on the dry side and left alone. Look above at my findings and imagine a 16 ounce random swing in water content because you aren't thinking about spawn moisture.
I'm really nailing it now that I'm taking this all into consideration.
t
PS. That sweet spot above for me is: rye gets 30 oz of water (including water in dry berries) and coir gets 3.15q (100oz) of water. If you have wetter spawn, you can go drier with the coir.
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Edited by tedoro (11/01/19 04:09 PM)
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WhoManBeing
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Quote:
YogiBear said: I think your flush is looking great. I keep my lids on as long as possible so the sweat can build up good then open up for fae around day 14. I do get my sub to about 8-10 drip field capacity. I hardly ever mist.

Yeah! That seems what need be done.
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Grumio

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Morning all,
Can anybody let me know if they think my unmodified tub is looking alright or there is some kind of bacterial contam?
I noticed the odd yellow "myc piss" and yes I know it's not actually piss, heard this could potentially be a sign of bacteria as the myc piss is actually antibacterial.
I think it is a pin in the close up photo of the side but no sign of them on top just yet. I'm not in a rush for pins just wanting to know if this look like a contam or not?
Spawn ratio was 2:4 using rye grains and a sub mix of Coco Coir, Vermiculite, Hpoo, straw, gypsum.
No casing layer and no liner.
Was mixed together on Sunday 21st October.
First post and first time uploading photos so hope they work!
Thanks,
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Re: Agreed [Re: Grumio]
#26300280 - 11/05/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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This guy had a bit of standing water on the sides that yellowed the sub before I noticed and dumped it out. Is too much water pooling up a sign that my sub is too wet or maybe that I pressed my sides down too hard?
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tedoro
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My feeling is the pooling water is mostly a temperature differential.... stack tubs and the top tub will sweat twice as much because of the heating from below.
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