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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26143047 - 08/19/19 02:58 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Half a brick would be good for that.



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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: hydro333]
    #26144902 - 08/20/19 03:38 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I generally will flip the lid over as the substrate nears full colonization or anywhere from 50-90% colonization, generally I aim for 80% colonization. I am putting the tub into "fruiting conditions" a little bit before full colonization and this confuses a lot of people.




Does this mean I should be taking the lid off sometimes before full colonization?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26147417 - 08/22/19 06:23 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Hi BOD,

Thank you for the great easy Tek!

I'm a man of many traits and not a man of time and patience.

I would like to cut corners and skip the spawning preparation part and leave it to pros as much as possible. I am planning on using pre-sterilized rye bags and inject them with a Spore Syringe.

Here's my plan

Would you give me your blessing?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Dolce]
    #26147516 - 08/22/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Dolce said:
Hi BOD,

Thank you for the great easy Tek!

I'm a man of many traits and not a man of time and patience.

I would like to cut corners and skip the spawning preparation part and leave it to pros as much as possible. I am planning on using pre-sterilized rye bags and inject them with a Spore Syringe.

Here's my plan

Would you give me your blessing?



I can't wait to read what Bod has to say about this idea ... :grin:


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: funky123]
    #26147531 - 08/22/19 08:22 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Dolce said:
Hi BOD,

Thank you for the great easy Tek!

I'm a man of many traits and not a man of time and patience.

I would like to cut corners and skip the spawning preparation part and leave it to pros as much as possible. I am planning on using pre-sterilized rye bags and inject them with a Spore Syringe.

Here's my plan

Would you give me your blessing?



I can't wait to read what Bod has to say about this idea ... :grin:



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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26147535 - 08/22/19 08:27 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Am I going to get a mental spanking :smile: ?

The thing is that I really don't have time to keep a production line going on, but I wanna produce enough for keeping ample amount of DRY in stock. Drying is no problem as I have a food dehydrator already and some glass jars, silica gels, vacuum packer etc.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Dolce]
    #26147576 - 08/22/19 08:49 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Dolce said:
Am I going to get a mental spanking :smile: ?

The thing is that I really don't have time to keep a production line going on, but I wanna produce enough for keeping ample amount of DRY in stock. Drying is no problem as I have a food dehydrator already and some glass jars, silica gels, vacuum packer etc.




I mean first of all this is the wrong place for your question. This thread is about a specific Tek and your question explicitly isn't. So, you might want to create thread in the beginners section.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: funky123]
    #26147686 - 08/22/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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funky123 said:

I mean first of all this is the wrong place for your question. This thread is about a specific Tek and your question explicitly isn't. So, you might want to create thread in the beginners section.




Hmmm perhaps you are right about the place.

In a way I am using 2/3rds of BOD's Tek tho.
Just skipping the 1st part and replacing it.

And I did create a thread, I posted a link for BOD.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Dolce]
    #26147752 - 08/22/19 10:32 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Dolce said:
Hi BOD,

Thank you for the great easy Tek!

I'm a man of many traits and not a man of time and patience.

I would like to cut corners and skip the spawning preparation part and leave it to pros as much as possible. I am planning on using pre-sterilized rye bags and inject them with a Spore Syringe.

Here's my plan

Would you give me your blessing?



No. If you want to go that route good luck. You'll need it

Spores directly to grain is a bad plan.
Premade grain sucks.
Multiplying bad chances by bad chances makes you even more likely to achieve failures


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26148765 - 08/22/19 09:41 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Dolce said:
Hi BOD,

Thank you for the great easy Tek!

I'm a man of many traits and not a man of time and patience.

I would like to cut corners and skip the spawning preparation part and leave it to pros as much as possible. I am planning on using pre-sterilized rye bags and inject them with a Spore Syringe.

Here's my plan

Would you give me your blessing?



No. If you want to go that route good luck. You'll need it

Spores directly to grain is a bad plan.
Premade grain sucks.
Multiplying bad chances by bad chances makes you even more likely to achieve failures



All of ^that, and on top of it there’s just no point. The cost of pre-prepped grain outweighs any benefit you might be perceiving. It’s cheaper to just buy a PC and jars and grain... there’s nothing ā€œprofessionalā€ about the way pre-prepped grain is made. It’s made by other mushrooms cultivators looking to add money to their operation, and it’s made the exact same way that we do it. Just invest in a PC and you’ll be making jars for LITERALLY the cost of the jars.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26148917 - 08/23/19 02:01 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you BOD and fellow psychonauts.

I do believe you, and you are probably right.

But like I said - this is not about cost per se.
My time is very limited, therefore I cannot be spending hours of cooking in the kitchen. I don't have time to look for a pressure cooker and jars and the oats. E.g. now, I am writing this during working hours, because my free time is very precious - I value it around 222 USD/h.

So now that you know my free time has a cost of 222 USD/h, how does the financial equation look like for doing all the work you have suggested?

I don't even know yet which Pressure Cooker, Jars and Oats should I order from Amazon.de, but ok this I could find out during my working hours so this is not a cost.

But then when I arrive home and even if I do have all that stuff, so if it takes 5.5 hours to prepare a batch of oats in jars, then that's 5.5h x 222 USD / h = 1221 USD in total.

Is that cheap vs. I buy everything ready made delivered. I take the syringe, sterilise the fuck out of it, squirt it into the 5 quart rye bag, and leave the bag in a warm place? That takes perhaps 20 min = 74 USD of my free time (this includes all the preparation of a clean warms spot and picking up the parcels from my mailbox, washing hands and such)

You see it also depends how you value time spent in your life, not just how you look at it in absolute ponzi scheme units.

Yes - if I had more time, I would definitely go into the oats and pressure cookers and such.
But I need to cook some Changa too, and that takes time.

In any case - great work BOD on these instructions. And if I fail too many times with my shortcut, I'll definitely follow your total process like a slave.


Edited by Dolce (08/23/19 02:05 AM)


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Dolce]
    #26148971 - 08/23/19 05:08 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Dolce said:
Thank you BOD and fellow psychonauts.

I do believe you, and you are probably right.

...

In any case - great work BOD on these instructions. And if I fail too many times with my shortcut, I'll definitely follow your total process like a slave.




Just go for it and let us know about how it's working for you.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: funky123]
    #26149048 - 08/23/19 07:11 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Assigning a cost to your free time is some stupid article that pops up when you open your internet browser. Regardless you have free time you can do whatever you want with it. That's your opportunity cost. If you want to value it at 200+ an hour and then only do things that make sense for you with that perspective just go buy mushrooms...

Assigning cost to your free time reminds me of cookie cutter managers that go to learning how to manage seminars with their notepads and brag about themselves aka networking.

If your time is worth so much you'll be wasting it even more when the premade bags and spores directly to grain fails making your efforts pointless and the money you spent go down the drain. Or hedge your bets and buy four times as much as you think you'll need in premade stuff so that at the end of the day you end up with what you wanted


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26149140 - 08/23/19 08:29 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Hey Bod, your strain with wavy caps looks pretty badass. I have never seen a strain express this trait before. May I know witch variety it came from?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: MrMerlin]
    #26149145 - 08/23/19 08:34 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26150320 - 08/24/19 01:34 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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If your time is worth so much you'll be wasting it even more when the premade bags and spores directly to grain fails making your efforts pointless and the money you spent go down the drain. Or hedge your bets and buy four times as much as you think you'll need in premade stuff so that at the end of the day you end up with what you wanted




Well in addition to properly valuating my free time, I'm quite good in making provocative comments :tongue:

Yeah so I'm going to try the "bad-luck-in-a-bag" method first (and I already have those completely ready grow-boxes fruiting as I write this) but yes Sensei - I shall be improving my Tek skills until your approval, but I'll do it step by step. While the bag from hell is on its' way, I can order the proper junk in the meanwhile and then when I do have the time and knowledge, I will use your Tek. As a masochist I also like to feel the disappointment and pain of failure :smile:.

So if you could bear with me and spare some of your wisdom - how about this shopping list:
Microscope up to 1000x
Anti-fucking-biotic malt extract agar in Petri Dishes (Produced under sterile environmental conditions, sealed with ParafilmĀ®.)
CUBENSIS BAN HUA THAI SPORE SYRINGE
Pressure Cooker 8 liters / 8.5q
720ml Jars
Oats for horses 5kg (I could order 10kg too)

I already have:
Few tubs 30 quart to 115 quart (SAB?)
Coco coir 650g x 6
30 quart Cooler / insulated box (this is to prepare the coir)
Perlite (this is good for Hempy Buckets too but I guess not needed here).

So I guess you will already tell me that ordering that Agar in petri dishes is a risk, but I was thinking again that if I do have that microscope (which my daughter will love to use too), then I can really really look at what I am doing there?

In addition to producing great leaders :smile:, Austria is a well known country for high quality products so that agar petri dish and syringe should be ok if I get them delivered in 48h and get to work right away?

Then I can later on learn to do my own agar-agar-boutros-boutros-boutros-ghali spore transfer things and that microscope will help me out there.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Dolce]
    #26150412 - 08/24/19 05:45 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Hey Bod. Thanks for sharing man. Going back to the first page in this thread, your photos reveal fruits that are all at a similar stage of development, depending which tub it was. My question is what environmental conditions do you manipulate to initiate pinning so dense/uniformly? My grows always fruit haphazardly, but your mycelium appears to have set pins simultaneously over the whole surface as evidenced by the fact the fruits are all the same size. My intuition tells me that it must have been a BIG change in one or more of the environmental variables, but perhaps I'm on the wrong track? Also if the pinning is initiated by yourself, how do you gauge when the substrate is sufficiently well colonised, to induce induce pinning?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Dolce]
    #26150516 - 08/24/19 07:56 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

That scope looks like junk to be honest. And you don't need a scope for anything at this point anyway. It only does 50x and 1000x. Most of the time you'd be using 100x and 400x. Due to optical limitations 1000x isn't really truly 1000x without oil immersion.

Antibiotics in agar should only be used as an absolute last resort method if good technique didn't work to get a clean culture from a bad spore print
And premade petri dishes are garbage. Usually half come cracked. And they're like 100x more expensive than making your own.

You're going to want a better pressure cooker after using that once twice. But it will work.

Asking how to cut corners isn't well received because the guides people make here are specifically to address how to not fail by being meticulous and avoiding corner cutting. If you want to corner cut there's plenty of premade stuff but you won't get anyone's blessings for using it


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: growsinthedark]
    #26150519 - 08/24/19 07:59 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey Bod. Thanks for sharing man. Going back to the first page in this thread, your photos reveal fruits that are all at a similar stage of development, depending which tub it was. My question is what environmental conditions do you manipulate to initiate pinning so dense/uniformly? My grows always fruit haphazardly, but your mycelium appears to have set pins simultaneously over the whole surface as evidenced by the fact the fruits are all the same size. My intuition tells me that it must have been a BIG change in one or more of the environmental variables, but perhaps I'm on the wrong track? Also if the pinning is initiated by yourself, how do you gauge when the substrate is sufficiently well colonised, to induce induce pinning?



Good genetics for even flushes (clones and agar work rather than spore syringes)

You don't induce pinning it just happens.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26150544 - 08/24/19 08:26 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Antibiotics in agar should only be used as an absolute last resort method




Is there a downside to antibiotic agar (aminoglykosid to be specific)? Or is it just not necessary?


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