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thebrahmsian
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26063869 - 06/20/19 03:01 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Despite my noobing it to death, my tub is sidepin city. I think I know some of the various ways I got off track with it. Hopefully the next tub will better. My shoeboxes too.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: thebrahmsian]
#26063894 - 06/20/19 03:08 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I bet dollars to donuts you're overhydrated initially...
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26063909 - 06/20/19 03:13 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, definitely. After reading more and rethinking what field capacity really means, that was the first big mistake. I have another tub going that I dialed back on but I think it was still too wet....
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: thebrahmsian]
#26063919 - 06/20/19 03:16 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm down to 2.75qts per 650g brick of coir, and some cultures still pool on top after full colonization
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thebrahmsian
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26063956 - 06/20/19 03:33 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I noticed a tremendous amount of condensation after spawning...would that contribute to the oversaturation of the substrate? I've also been wondering if the my tub is too high and not helping keep the surface moist. I dunno, so many possible mistakes! :-(
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26063976 - 06/20/19 03:41 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: I'm down to 2.75qts per 650g brick of coir, and some cultures still pool on top after full colonization
I dialed it back from 3.25 to 3 per Shaper's formula for achieving under field capacity, but 2.75? Huh, I'll give it a whirl next tub.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: thebrahmsian]
#26063985 - 06/20/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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no... The condensation started in the substrate... Oversaturation occurred when you added too much water to the coir initially... Ignore the walls of the tub, monitor surface moisture... The condensation clears up a bit higher up bc the temperature rises, and the temp difference inside and outside of the tub decreases, decreasing the rate of condensation... Condensation on the walls ONLY indicates a difference in temp on the inside and outside of the tub, will occur with even a dry substrate, and does NOTHING in the way of indicating hydration level... Surface moisture is not the same as wall moisture, or substrate hydration... adding too much water initially has caused early shrinking, poor air exchange, insufficient evaporation rate... I.e., the root of ALL your issues is TOO MUCH WATER INITIALLY...It's important; could possibly have been the ONLY mistake you made 
I'm about to dial to 2.5qts for a few cultures... A lot depends on your climate too...
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26064016 - 06/20/19 03:58 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's usually pretty humid around here, except in the dead of winter. I have some quarts for another tub. I'm going to scale back and see how well that improves things. The shrooms themselves look great, just growing in the wrong area, hahaha.
I greatly appreciate all of the advice and counsel. Thank you truly! I love mushies so much and growing them fascinates the fuck outta me but is unlike anything I've ever known. I feel like I'm getting closer though, each time.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: thebrahmsian]
#26064027 - 06/20/19 04:03 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Indeed...It's an addiction: I am trying to coin the term "fully colonized" as describing the condition...
A state of always mush: 1. eating 2. growing 3. thinking about when you can't 1 or 2

Incremental improvement is more than many see...
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26064038 - 06/20/19 04:09 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like "fully colonized"! ahaha
It's been an all encompassing obsession and each aspect and step has gotten better and better. Though most of the time, it seems the more I read, the more I need to read, and the more I think I know, the less is actually true.... :P If it were truly easy though I'd probably not be very interested in it in the first place...
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: thebrahmsian]
#26064041 - 06/20/19 04:10 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26065353 - 06/21/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said:Ignore the walls of the tub, monitor surface moisture...Surface moisture is not the same as wall moisture, or substrate hydration... adding too much water initially has caused early shrinking, poor air exchange, insufficient evaporation rate... I.e., the root of ALL your issues is TOO MUCH WATER INITIALLY...I'm about to dial to 2.5qts for a few cultures... A lot depends on your climate too...
Dude you're blowing my mind. Just keep posting shit because I'm learning so much! 
Just curious, what climate are you in? I'm in a climate very similar to SoCal. Like VERY similar
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: badsponge]
#26065458 - 06/21/19 10:30 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm also in a climate VERY similar to SoCal. But I think climate isn't just the outside weather but even moreso your grow room. How much air flow does it get, etc? Some rooms are much hotter, dryer, airy than others. My bedroom is so different than my garage that it'd be a completely different way to dial things in.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: hipposhroom]
#26066536 - 06/21/19 09:09 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm hot and sticky in the summer, cold and dry in the winter... tubs are treated the same year around
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26070923 - 06/24/19 11:08 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I’ve done about 5 rounds of PF TEK before trying out a bulk grow. Did agar to grain jar to G2G. 7Q of oat grains with coir in the tub. Been 3 weeks and not seeing any pins. The only thing I can think I did wrong would be not giving any water for the first week after the initial water bc there was a lot of condensation on the lid and side walls (which I now realize was incorrect) anything look super wrong in this picture? Besides the initial not watering I’m not sure what I could be doing wrong. I’ve got an LED on it for about 10 hours a day with a fan in the room facing away from the tub always on.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: hipposhroom]
#26070973 - 06/24/19 11:49 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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hipposhroom said: I'm also in a climate VERY similar to SoCal. But I think climate isn't just the outside weather but even moreso your grow room. How much air flow does it get, etc? Some rooms are much hotter, dryer, airy than others. My bedroom is so different than my garage that it'd be a completely different way to dial things in.
Yes, I've been noticing I need more air circulation in my room, i had to move everything from my front room where the air circulation was prime. Now it's taking longer to colonize and i keep vacuuming contams off the top of my subs from too much humidity in my room.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Mr. Funguy]
#26071291 - 06/24/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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what are some of the ways we dunk our unmodified tubs after 1st flush?
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: YerpGod]
#26071406 - 06/24/19 04:11 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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YerpGod said: what are some of the ways we dunk our unmodified tubs after 1st flush?
Read through Bods harvesting tek. Just fill the tub up with water
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: YerpGod]
#26072151 - 06/25/19 12:20 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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YerpGod said: what are some of the ways we dunk our unmodified tubs after 1st flush?
With water
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26072156 - 06/25/19 12:23 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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