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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#26028609 - 06/02/19 10:53 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi, I'm checking in again on my tub. It's been 18 days since spawning this tub of 4qts spawn with coir...it was looking very wet at first because I had the lid flipped upside down. Since I posted pics before, I've had the lid down normally and it's looked very good while colonizing. Should I keep the lid down longer, does it need a misting and more FAE now? I know I made some very big mistakes with this one, but it's been doing well so far and I'd hate to toss it out and start over... Any professional advice is so greatly appreciated...this seems so tricky to me for some reason compared with the other parts of mycology.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26031405 - 06/03/19 10:37 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Brilliant!
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26034519 - 06/05/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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How did you get your fruit to the surface of your bin all intact?
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: diamondkitty12]
#26034591 - 06/05/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Check out my harvesting tek
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26041802 - 06/09/19 01:25 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wanted to do a small update on the tubs i had posted about having issues with. the "first flush tub" had its entire pinset abort and has since brought in the "second" flush. fruits on this flush are much better and the mushrooms that have grown appear very healthy, but once again i am facing pretty disappointing yields at just over half an ounce dry for that tub (5 quarts of spawn) the other tub i posted that was mid colonization has gotten trich at around day 13 and has been moved outside to hopefully get SOMETHING out of it.
All of this is a learning process of course, and im certainly happy with some shrooms versus no shrooms, but i cant seem to figure what im doing wrong that is preventing me from getting the canopies i really want. im trying to isolate some good clones right now, but the setbacks have been very frustrating. perhaps i should dial it back and try your shoebox tek, so at the very least i dont put all this time and energy into 54 qt monos only to have them either get crappy yields or contaminate before anything promising can grow
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: creed1417]
#26041821 - 06/09/19 01:36 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm in a similar situation. I'm trying shoe boxes now so that I get five chances to learn to manage surface conditions instead of just one. Once I've got that down, then I'll be back to this monotub tek and hopefully with canopies. I think we just have to gain more experience.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: hipposhroom]
#26042061 - 06/09/19 03:27 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Learning proper field capacity is monumental: much drier than you'd think... I'm down to 2.75qts per brick, and still a little wet IMO
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26042085 - 06/09/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah caps im with you on field capacity, i guess ill continue to lower the ratio of water till something good happens, another issue im battling with is my climate, its very hot and humid in my house and its a closet grow so temps on surface are in the low to mid 80s most of the time, i have a HEPA air filter that i put on a very light setting to help with air exchange, but all of this trich recently is really getting on my nerves, my spawn really truly looks like its contam-free, always breaks up nicely and makes the whole room smell like fresh mushrooms, i try to take every step possible with my G2G and agar work to avoid contams so it boggles me where the trich is coming from. just annoying to keep seeing weeks of work turn green right before the first flush.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: creed1417]
#26042420 - 06/09/19 06:58 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's in your spawn... likely bacteria from excess moisture lowering immune response enough for secondary decomposers (like trich)to get a foot hold... granted, higher seasonal sporeload can attribute to more frequent occurence, but is not the underlying issue IMO
Try loading your grain drier to avoid bacteria... won't always look or smell bad, but coupled with even slightly oversaturated bulk mix and insufficient FAE, will spell disaster
Drier grain, drier coir, fruit from spawn
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26042469 - 06/09/19 07:28 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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huh....thats actually some very sound advice thank you. i alway lets my grains dry outside for a bit after cooking, so i doubt they're too wet, however my subsrate could be the issue plus maybe i do indeed have poor FAE in my closet.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: creed1417]
#26042478 - 06/09/19 07:31 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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A fan facing outward as to draw CO2 laden air from the floor for even 30 min every other day can decrease stale air dramatically
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: creed1417]
#26042483 - 06/09/19 07:33 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I let my grains dry overnight in the fridge and they still end up too wet sometimes.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26042488 - 06/09/19 07:34 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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for the tubs that dont get contamed, and flush, could the poor yields be attritbuted to the subtrate saturation and low FAE? cause the shrooms that do grow dont show fuzzy feet or any other signs of lack of FAE, maybe the saturation is my problem
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: hipposhroom]
#26042493 - 06/09/19 07:36 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I fan dry for a few hours until "those are too dry", and still get bags that sweat...
I'd bet my left testicle on it... and its my favorite!
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26042499 - 06/09/19 07:39 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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well this has been a big help, ill try shoeboxes for more chances and experiment with substrates. thank you very much caps for the help and goodluck to you as well hippo!
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26043111 - 06/10/19 04:28 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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So, you’re using a multiplier of about 3.5 rather than 5 as listed in the bucket tek? That’s the lowest amount of water per brick of coir that I’ve read about on here. That could explain the overly wet substrate Ive been getting. Frustrating
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: thebrahmsian]
#26043309 - 06/10/19 07:34 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure the tek says that every brand of coir is different and we need to experiment to see what gives us field capacity, add verm to dry it out or more water to hydrate it. Just like with surface conditions, we have to learn field capacity by feel instead of recipe. So Caps might get it right at 3.5, but that doesn't mean it's the new recipe to follow. I think the lesson is that most of us think field capacity is far wetter than it is. I'm going to try less water next time in the bucket hoping to add water to bring it up to field capacity.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: hipposhroom]
#26043746 - 06/10/19 12:02 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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It does definitely say that and I’ve been diligent about checking field capacity, it just seemed like a huuge swing in amounts of water needed per weight of coir. I’m trying to establish a baseline that doesn’t have a nearly quart+/- of error. Am also trying to steer clear of verm where I can. The general consensus though is drier is better.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: thebrahmsian]
#26044437 - 06/10/19 06:01 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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2nd grow ever is looking sweet so far. First time I kinda did this tek without realizing it but made a few mistakes. Tried spawning brf cakes to coir and verm in two unmodified tubs. Made a bunch of mistakes but yada yada yada, wound up with about 2oz dried so I was pretty pleased. Since I still have more supplies for brf cakes I went that way again but using this tek. Killing it so far. Knock on wood but first pins appeared yesterday, 7 days after spawning. Haven't seen anymore yet so those guys are just eager but needless to say my tub is looking way better than first attempt so I'm pretty excited. First batch was my first shroomies in twenty years. Our teenage son died suddenly a little over a year ago and they first batch was really helpful getting me thru the last couple months. I'm gonna keep on with this hobby for the foreseeable future, trying to find my way again. Appreciate the knowledge.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: CapnFritz]
#26047200 - 06/12/19 02:16 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Way to go cap. sorry about your son.
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