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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#26022974 - 05/30/19 01:34 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Should I mist?
Do you have any idea why the cottony growth happens or what it means so I can avoid it in the future?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: replyom]
#26023060 - 05/30/19 02:11 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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When you dont see a shiny surface, the water should bead not pool...
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: replyom]
#26023149 - 05/30/19 02:52 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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replyom said: Should I mist?
Do you have any idea why the cottony growth happens or what it means so I can avoid it in the future?
Make healthy spawn. Get moisture contents perfect
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#26023219 - 05/30/19 03:21 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Should I mist?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: replyom]
#26023229 - 05/30/19 03:25 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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No leave it dry
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#26023506 - 05/30/19 05:29 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, yeah. I’ll take the sarcasm in stride but I’d like to let you know that you have a habit of ignoring every question in a given comment except the last one. I asked a few questions in a bulleted list on the last page and you ignored all of them:
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A few questions - sorry for the bother but this would really help me out on my first mono 
- In a situation like this, do you ever decide to rotate the lid to introduce more air which supposedly induces pinning?
- Or should I just keep waiting? How long would you wait before you got really worried?
- Do you think the bumps could be a sign of contamination? I posted a picture of the side bumps below.
Thank you my man!
Then I had to ask twice about misting. You might want to work on that if you’re gonna give attitude to a guy just like yourself who’s trying to learn.
As far as poor spawn leading to cottony mycelium, are you sure there’s a direct connection between those two? Have you actually experienced that trend in your own work? My spawn seemed great by your metrics, was colonized in under a month, and ripped through the sub in about a week. I'm not sure what I could have done better.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: replyom]
#26023641 - 05/30/19 06:43 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I send people to this link constantly, it really helped me understand surface conditions. Give it a read as well as the comments. Good stuff.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
you simply mist to put beads of moisture on the surface and don't do it again until they are gone. I think with the lid upside down you have plenty of FAE and no need to increase It unless you have 0 evaporation.
Spawn can be contaminated and still seem to grow fine. Until you get an eye for what really clean spawn looks like.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: rickyswamps] 4
#26023752 - 05/30/19 07:54 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a habit of ignoring questions I answered in the OP, or is easily searchable, or is common sense, or is read between the lines. I know that makes me just the fucking worst kind of dickhead prick ever but I've spent a assload of time making these teks, I don't have infinity time, i help a lot of people who have more complex or interesting questions. While i don't want to leave anyone behind or be a dick I do like to make people think and learn for themselves. I was where you were and experience got me where I am. Obviously i asked people for help and with questions but i also know how i learn best and i teach others the same way This is not the way for most people and I fully understand and know that, but i like being extremely blunt and to the point.
It's dry surface = mist.
Cotton appearance = bad. Every time I've seen it best case was not a good yield/flush. Seems to be bad spawn not so much conditions but too wet can make an ugly surface too.
Also surface moisture and substrate moisture content are separate things. You can have a soaked sub dry surface. Or a dry sub with a soaked surface. They go a little together but not completely.
Hope this helps. I don't want anyone to feel discouraged but I also usually have my wife being like dude get off your phone lol. Right now im outside watching my cats with my wife play in the yard while trying to help people grow drugs. She sees the messages people send me and understands this is something I like just like she likes watching the bachelor/ette lol.
People have habit of needing their questions answered before doing anything on their own. Call me mean but sometimes I skip those over
Sometimes I just want to make people know they're absolutely capable.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#26023973 - 05/30/19 10:03 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do my own RESEARCH?!?
READ THE ORIGINAL POST!?!
 
All seriousness, this is a wonderful resource, and many talented cultivators willing to help you learn... not many willing to do it for you... Every generalized question about cultivation, or even questions specific to a given tek, are generally answered already in the many pages of comments ... Check out the "search this thread" feature at the bottom of this (and all thread) page(s)... can also, go to the advanced search, and search for answers already given by a given culrivator (say Bod), or choose the option for answers from TC tagged growers posts only
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#26024727 - 05/31/19 11:11 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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first and foremost i would like to thank you bod for the amazing writeup and intuitive teks, ive gotten through about 3/4ths of all the pages on this post reading and reading to get the answers to my simpler questions as i can empathize with you having to constantly reiterate whats already been answered.
With that being said i have a couple issues that id love for your advice on. ive gotten about 4 grow tubs under my belt now, getting the hang of surface conditions and spawn has been relatively clean and vigorous. However my first flushes has been at best, disappointing and at worst flat out abysmal (5 qts yield usually an ounce or less). after the first flush however the yields get better, better fruits and faster growth, ive noticed that the 3rd flush produces the best yield and fruit quality. temps are on the higher side 75-82 but the 2nd and 3rd flushes seem to have no issue with that.
Im using MS cultures and am in the process of cloning and isolating better genes for future projects, any help would be appreciated, photos can be provided if needed much thanks.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: creed1417]
#26024891 - 05/31/19 12:49 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Got pics. Very odd later flushes are doing better. I would imagine its conditions based
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#26024903 - 05/31/19 12:59 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sounds like it was super wet initially IMO
Pics are extra helpful
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#26025002 - 05/31/19 02:04 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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my first couple tubs i believe i oversaturated with water. however with these im showing pics of i went conservative with only about 3 L over water for the 650 brick, passed the field capacity test with flying colors, whole substrate was damp but not dripping water excessively, picture with pins is a tub about 12-15 days in, i forgot to label, the pinset seemed to be coming in very nicely but everything has just stalled, growth is VERY slow, and the mushrooms that have been picked are objectively very tiny, second tub is 7 days into colonization.

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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: creed1417]
#26025053 - 05/31/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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How thick is that top layer of coir you put on. The surface looks goofy. Like it went between too dry and too wet. Spider web like mycelium on the surface kinda leads me to that conclusion.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#26025063 - 05/31/19 02:39 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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about 1/4ish thick. i put the casing because when i went bare grain the surface didnt hold the mist water in beads instead it just pooled up. ive stopped hovering over the thing, because ive noticed the better flushes happen when i minimize my misting sometimes to the point where the top looks dry as bone but still pins very well. as for these specific tubs they've stayed moist with water beads the whole time and when it needed it i misted, however im limiting the misting now as the pins are in and trying to promote more FAE to get these damn pins to budge, its almost like they just completely gave up on growing.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: creed1417]
#26025081 - 05/31/19 02:47 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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for some comparison heres a tub that was roughly at its 3.5 flush, and it came out like a BEAUT

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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: creed1417]
#26025109 - 05/31/19 03:03 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea that first flush pics the stems look odd on those mushrooms
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#26025436 - 05/31/19 05:38 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I grew my first shrooms! But I may have to throw them out depending on what you all say. This is day 29 and I was gone for 5 days and came home to obvious mold and some side pins. Is this trash, or can I harvest and then trash?


Please let me know what is the most likely cause of my failure here. I want to get better at this! I'm pretty sure I had bacterial spawn and too much FAE which caused the surface to dry out, together these delayed pinning and caused side pins. There's lots of air flow in my room. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Even though it's probably trash - at least I finally grew some mushrooms!
Thanks!
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: hipposhroom]
#26025447 - 05/31/19 05:44 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can harvest. If you had stressed spawn sometimes you get fruits sometimes you don't. Sometimes with bacteria you get a massive pinset and they never go anywhere.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#26025458 - 05/31/19 05:49 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks! I will harvest. And then trash it, right? I shouldn't wait for a few more days in hope of a few more mushrooms and grow mold in the process, right?
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