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Caps McGee
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25771881 - 01/27/19 09:56 AM (5 years, 3 days ago) |
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Depends on spawn ratio too I think... I'd be suspicious if 1:1 took longer than 6 days personally...
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25771894 - 01/27/19 10:02 AM (5 years, 3 days ago) |
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1:1 im harvesting by day 14-17 and seeing pins at day 9-10 usually
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25771950 - 01/27/19 10:31 AM (5 years, 3 days ago) |
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Tis why I prefer it... I'm not in a particularly arid climate zone, so I don't feel the extra coir/colonization time/water retention capacity to be necessary in my case... love those quick to fruit boxes lol... someone in the dessert would likely benefit from a lower spawn ratio, in avoiding extra maintenance needs
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25774099 - 01/28/19 06:56 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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mushboy said: during the first few days if it looks too dry its probably perfect.
Also this... I typically don't see surface moisture until a day or two after full colonization, at which point I let it develop fully on it's own, and nearly dry completely before misting... when misting, do so lightly keeping in mind that you're only returning surface moisture, and not hydrating the substrate: which can be done with a short dunk or heavy misting between flushes
Fuck. I'm such a nervous nelly. This helped lots.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25774101 - 01/28/19 06:57 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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Caps McGee said:
Tis why I prefer it... I'm not in a particularly arid climate zone, so I don't feel the extra coir/colonization time/water retention capacity to be necessary in my case... love those quick to fruit boxes lol... someone in the dessert would likely benefit from a lower spawn ratio, in avoiding extra maintenance needs
With a 650gram brick of coir, is 1:1 5/6 myco-quarts?
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Caps McGee
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Shmurf]
#25774140 - 01/28/19 07:20 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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The mycelium acts semi-impermeable and hold beads of moisture on the surface of the substrate, prior to full colonization, the uncolonized coir will simply resorb the excess moisture/ condensation
A 650g brick of coir is roughly 8 qts... so closer to 10-12 mycoquarts, or closer to 1:2 spawn ratio with 5-6 (myco)quarts of spawn
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25774150 - 01/28/19 07:30 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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I guess it should be noted that when talking about ratios, a mycoquart is generally accepted as a full quart. So when you spawn a tub 1:1, it would be 1 mycoquart of spawn to 1 actual quart of sub.
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Caps McGee
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: PopaCap]
#25774156 - 01/28/19 07:36 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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In your world perhaps... for me, 1:1 is ACTUALLY 1:1... y'all must be on that new math
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25774295 - 01/28/19 09:19 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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Caps McGee said: In your world perhaps... for me, 1:1 is ACTUALLY 1:1... y'all must be on that new math

Nerd!
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Shmurf]
#25774411 - 01/28/19 10:26 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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what is the benefit of 1:2 spawn or even 1:4 spawn to substrate ratio over 1:1?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Betax86] 1
#25774417 - 01/28/19 10:27 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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What's the benefits of cars over trucks or different brands. Preference. Personal preference.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Betax86]
#25774539 - 01/28/19 11:29 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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1:1 ratio is preferred because it the mycelium colonizes the coir quicker, and, I dunno if this is true, but that may reduce the chances of contamination occurring.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Mondangle]
#25774579 - 01/28/19 11:54 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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More substrate more water. That might be good for certain people certain circumstances
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25775725 - 01/28/19 10:50 PM (5 years, 1 day ago) |
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Sorry if this is obvious to others but i am a bit confused on spawn to sub ratio now. 2 pages up Bod suggested
1 spawn to 1 to 4 substrates by volume. Or one brick of coir to 2-8 jars of spawn(3-7 is my suggestion)
I am assuming 2 jars is lowest ratio and 8 jars is 1:1.
whats Caps has suggested is 10 to 12 mycoquarts for 1:1.
I understand each grow will have different requirements (based on conditions) just wanted to get my head around what is 1:1 for 650g coir. In terms of quart jars.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Chaos4142]
#25775794 - 01/29/19 12:00 AM (5 years, 1 day ago) |
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5 quarts spawn. 1 brick of coir. 3.25 liters of water. dats it mane.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JHOVA]
#25775981 - 01/29/19 05:02 AM (5 years, 1 day ago) |
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Your coir says on the packaging what it expands to
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25776026 - 01/29/19 05:44 AM (5 years, 1 day ago) |
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Don't get hung up on exact ratios: anywhere from 1:1-1:4 is fairly common: commercial growers go as high as 1:10 sometimes... the culture will not decide not to fruit based on slight discrepancies in your math...
One 650g brick of coir expands to roughly 8 full qts, which is 10-12 mycoquarts depending on how full you fill your jars, making 1:1-1:4 look more like 3-12 mycoquarts of spawn to 1 brick of coir: as you can tell, quite a wide margin for "error"
The lower the ratio (more spawn) the faster it will colonize, but the less water it will hold ... the higher the ratio (more coir) the slower it will colonize, but the more capacity for water retention it possesses... if you're not in a particularly arid climate zone, or your house isn't zapped bone dry by forced air heating, 1:1 is my suggestion... it's likely you won't need the additional capacity for water retention, and will benefit from faster colonization... if you're in the desert or indoor rh is <30%, might consider 1:2 or higher(though 1:2 is as high as I go personally) to save yourself a lot of maintenance late first flush, and with subsequent flushes, as the substrate will hold less and less moisture over time
Edited by Caps McGee (01/29/19 05:57 AM)
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25776974 - 01/29/19 02:58 PM (5 years, 1 day ago) |
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Copy that I will try 1:1 then, its pretty humid here anyways. Previous attempts with even with 1:2 were good as well. Having a small cooker means spawn is a higher value commodity time wise. But i will give 1:1 a try to see how it goes. Thanks
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Chaos4142]
#25777481 - 01/29/19 06:34 PM (5 years, 20 hours ago) |
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Your yield is based on qts of spawn anyways... not going to get more out of 1qt 1:2 vs 1qt 1:1... unless it dries up, which is where the extra water retention comes in handy... I've been running halfway into second flush before bottom water lately, so not really an issue for me
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JHOVA]
#25777549 - 01/29/19 07:06 PM (5 years, 20 hours ago) |
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JHOVA said: 5 quarts spawn. 1 brick of coir. 3.25 liters of water. dats it mane.
I've been over field capacity the last couple times I made up some coir. I just used 5.75 liters for 2 bricks and still came out wet. Its eco earth, maybe they are shiesting me on the brick weight.
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