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DeadPhan



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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24154021 - 03/11/17 01:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I generally add 5 quarts to 650 grams of coir. I get coir in 11 lb blocks so have to weigh it. I used to do 4.5 but upped it to 5 because of the drying out factor. I just don't understand why I constantly have to mist. But guessing it's the radiator. I've even tried turning the heat down. Frustrating. I don't think I've ever not had an issue with surface moisture. Even with model tubs with poly. I assumed maybe with the no hole factor I'd be good. On that note, I've never had tubs in the time of year where I didn't need an alternative source of heat. Hope to be able to see when it warms up if that's the culprit.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: DeadPhan]
#24154031 - 03/11/17 01:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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4.5-5 quarts to just coir or coir+verm?
if I put 5 quarts into my 650g brick it's way past field capacity, but like I said everyone's got to check their own shit for themselves and not follow the recipe to the T when it comes to substrate hydration
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24154119 - 03/11/17 02:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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5 quarts to 2 quarts verm, 650g of coir, and handful gypsum and 4 to 5 quarts spawn
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: DeadPhan]
#24154193 - 03/11/17 02:49 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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There ya go the verm holds water too. I don't use verm anymore
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#24154293 - 03/11/17 03:37 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow this is definitely something I'll be trying out once I get a few more grows under my belt. Flipping the lid looks a lot easier than drilling or cutting holes in the tub. Great tek man thanks
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DeadPhan



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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24154564 - 03/11/17 05:13 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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5 quarts to 2 quarts verm, 650g of coir, and handful gypsum and 4 to 5 quarts spawnQuote:
bodhisatta said: There ya go the verm holds water too. I don't use verm anymore
True. But doesn't the vern hold water in a good way. Like keeps the sub hydrated? If I'm drying out with verm, wouldn't I dry out even more without?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: DeadPhan]
#24154569 - 03/11/17 05:14 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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No I just mean that is why you say 4.5-5 per brick and i say 4. You do CVG i do C
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JewishLawyer
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24155229 - 03/11/17 08:44 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wait, you don't use Verm or Gypsum? Can you explain the reasoning behind that, is it just overkill to use all three?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JewishLawyer]
#24155776 - 03/12/17 10:26 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe verm and gypsum help but I would rather just g2g a jar into 10 more and buy another 2$ brick of coir. I have no reason to buy a new bag of vermiculite or another pail of gypsum, and. I haven't seen any detrimental outcome since stitching
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24155796 - 03/12/17 10:34 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds good. Keeping it simple
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Kenetic] 2
#24155808 - 03/12/17 10:38 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I figure ill do it this way for a while/long time then try em out again eventually
People get so set in listening to other's ways and advice, and that's just how it's done right. I try to listen to myself sometimes by doing and gathering experience and evidence. Which sounds cheesy as fuck but its better than being being on of those but RR said people.
Like the theories about how fae works in the top and bottom holes of monotubs. They work on empericaly derived evidence not scientifically derived evidence.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#24155952 - 03/12/17 11:19 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Like the theories about how fae works in the top and bottom holes of monotubs. They work on empericaly derived evidence not scientifically derived evidence.
They work on both. The theory behind the airflow of monotubs is solid, most people just don't understand it.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: GreenRabbit] 1
#24155962 - 03/12/17 11:20 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've seen all the explanations even yours. Theyre all theories, yours is a model, models have to be tested or they're theories
Yours is based in physics but there's no real world measurements to correlate to your math to see if it actually checks out
I'm curious to see how you model my tubs air flow.
Either way both tubs modified and not clearly work well
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24156001 - 03/12/17 11:38 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Unmodified tubs work by the same principle. That and air currents in the room. They work similarly to regular monotubs with no poly in the top holes. Also, you are managing the amount of airflow daily by setting the lid, so as long as you do that properly, there's no reason the tub wouldn't work well.
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JewishLawyer
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24156406 - 03/12/17 03:01 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Maybe verm and gypsum help but I would rather just g2g a jar into 10 more and buy another 2$ brick of coir. I have no reason to buy a new bag of vermiculite or another pail of gypsum, and. I haven't seen any detrimental outcome since stitching
So Bodhi, you're just mixing your grain spawn with coir and letting it fruit? I already know there's no casing layer,
but if I were to use a full CVG, what are verm and gypsum good for, extra nutrition or trapping in moisture?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: JewishLawyer]
#24156508 - 03/12/17 03:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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When it comes to cubes I throw the idea of nutrition out the window, everyone wants to do more nutrition thinking that's the answer. gypsum and vermiculite supply micro-nutrients and verm holds water too. from my experience working with beer, grains contain everything fungi needs to be successful anyway.
substrates don't even use all the nutrition from the grain even after the second flush. mycelium would get way to hot if it were to try to digest the grain all at once. so the metabolism is spread out. substrates shrink not just from water loss but from the digestion, you notice the shrinking doesn't happen all at once. metabolism creates heat, gradual breaking down of the spawn and substrate protects the mycelium. in edible species sure some supplementation helps yields, they also use much lower spawn ratios often times.
I've seen spent substrates thrown away produce 100g monster shrooms left and right. there's plenty of nutrients still left over.
I'm more concerned about the cubes being able to use nutrition effectively for the first and maybe the second flush. If we don't over load the substrate full of things to make it hot the mycelium can use the grain spawn energy and the moisture from the bulk substrate effectively. at least that's my theory about it. I get pins in 15 days from spawning. I'm concerned about a good first flush and maybe a good second flush. and I can do that with just coir and grains. so why pump more money into a substrate when the coir and grains handle it just fine.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24156608 - 03/12/17 04:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very good point. Do you still prep it in a bucket?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
#24156676 - 03/12/17 04:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well said bodhi. Close to my thinking these days.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
#24156718 - 03/12/17 04:58 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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wowimflabbergasted said: Very good point. Do you still prep it in a bucket?
My substrate?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24077162#24077162
How I do everything I do is in my signature link. Also I put the links to all my methods as the header on every one of my teks
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#24156789 - 03/12/17 05:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh cool.
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