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Caps McGee
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: thegiantwithin] 1
#25528973 - 10/11/18 07:10 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Levelness is one of the most important factors of surface microclimate... it's also important to not be OCD about surface moisture IME... allow evaporation to occur between mistings to stimulate pinning and avoid over-saturating the substrate, or matting the surface
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK *DELETED* [Re: Caps McGee]
#25530979 - 10/11/18 09:35 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: thegiantwithin]
#25531516 - 10/12/18 06:37 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldn't think with a decent tub... should be ok IMO... no idea on humidity, I'd suspect cyclical day to night maybe?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK *DELETED* [Re: Caps McGee]
#25531598 - 10/12/18 07:25 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: thegiantwithin]
#25534572 - 10/13/18 01:30 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe my last post in "Getting Started" should've gone here? I've read thru alot of this, not all of it. Sorry I have alot going on atm.
Question, I know ya say to mist when ya need it and that's not too often. It's probably here somewhere but are ya misting them directly after tubbing now that you have started going directly to "Growing conditions"? I have just started my first tub and the surface appears on the dry side to my noob eyes.
This is day 1 tho.


Again, sorry if I'm bringing up something that's been mentioned in the 126 pages of this post.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: MadGrower420]
#25534688 - 10/13/18 02:26 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I typically don't see surface moisture until a day or two after full colonization(like a week from now)... I'd just trust the tek and wait. Feild capacity coir and clean spawn is all you need to worry about... no misting before full colonization...may behoove, if you've a different tub, with less than perfect fit lid, to leave it right side up, but not snapped (if applicable) until full colonization and the emergence of surface moisture... then you can use the surface conditions to gauge FAE and dial in your lid adjustments...   
Check this out for ideas on surface condition requirements
Nevermind the whole hole thing... just content on surface conditions: you'll be dialing in with the lid
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25534724 - 10/13/18 02:49 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Levelness is one of the most important factors of surface microclimate... it's also important to not be OCD about surface moisture IME... allow evaporation to occur between mistings to stimulate pinning and avoid over-saturating the substrate, or matting the surface
Just curious, but have you personally observed a stark difference in surface conditions between a completely level tub and one less so?
Also, do you have any links or information on oversaturating the surface causing mycelial matting? I'd looked before and it seemed that drying out was the primary cause. But I've failed to Google shit before so I'm all ears.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: MadGrower420]
#25534730 - 10/13/18 02:52 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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MadGrower420 said: Maybe my last post in "Getting Started" should've gone here? I've read thru alot of this, not all of it. Sorry I have alot going on atm.
Question, I know ya say to mist when ya need it and that's not too often. It's probably here somewhere but are ya misting them directly after tubbing now that you have started going directly to "Growing conditions"? I have just started my first tub and the surface appears on the dry side to my noob eyes.
This is day 1 tho.


Again, sorry if I'm bringing up something that's been mentioned in the 126 pages of this post.
Wait a few days at least to see if any moisture builds up on the tubs walls, if the tub is still dry like it looks now then either substrate is a bit dry or you have too much dry air circulating. I would personally just do a few sprays from 2 feet above. Not like you are watering the substrate but rather moistening the surface just a bit. What I know from BRF cakes is that myc that starts to dry out rarely recovers as something productive. Foremost I'd like to see all grains recover fully, a tub full of naked dry grain is a scetchy sight.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK *DELETED* [Re: stareatclouds]
#25534751 - 10/13/18 02:59 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Mateja]
#25534892 - 10/13/18 04:19 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: I typically don't see surface moisture until a day or two after full colonization(like a week from now)... I'd just trust the tek and wait. Feild capacity coir and clean spawn is all you need to worry about... no misting before full colonization...may behoove, if you've a different tub, with less than perfect fit lid, to leave it right side up, but not snapped (if applicable) until full colonization and the emergence of surface moisture... then you can use the surface conditions to gauge FAE and dial in your lid adjustments...   
Check this out for ideas on surface condition requirements
Nevermind the whole hole thing... just content on surface conditions: you'll be dialing in with the lid
Thanks, I didn't think I should right off. Figured let it settle out to its environment before making any adjustments. I really appreciate the link! I'm sure this is something that will come with time and experience. Like all noobs, I still in the very excited and overthinking it stage...lol
I'm currently using the 32qt tote mentioned in the TEK. Lid on upside down, with air gaps between. Here is how it sits for now.
 I did pay attention to make sure my sub was nice and level. I checked field capacity before mixing and I think I hit the mark dead on. We will see how this one goes...
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Mateah said: Wait a few days at least to see if any moisture builds up on the tubs walls, if the tub is still dry like it looks now then either substrate is a bit dry or you have too much dry air circulating. I would personally just do a few sprays from 2 feet above. Not like you are watering the substrate but rather moistening the surface just a bit. What I know from BRF cakes is that myc that starts to dry out rarely recovers as something productive. Foremost I'd like to see all grains recover fully, a tub full of naked dry grain is a scetchy sight.
Absolutely! Thanks for the heads up, I hear dryer is better than wet. To wet, ya got big contamination issues and to dry and the fate could be the one you described.
I'm sure as I get some grows under my belt I will develop an eye for my perfect micro climate. Excited to get there, loving the journey ahead tho!
Many thanks to all the wonderful peeps here! Special thanks Bodhisatta!! First member to catch my eye with your wonderful, easy AF TEK's. I appreciate you putting in the time to help out the entire community and put up with us noobs, thanks man.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#25534911 - 10/13/18 04:27 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said:
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Caps McGee said: Levelness is one of the most important factors of surface microclimate... it's also important to not be OCD about surface moisture IME... allow evaporation to occur between mistings to stimulate pinning and avoid over-saturating the substrate, or matting the surface
Just curious, but have you personally observed a stark difference in surface conditions between a completely level tub and one less so?
Also, do you have any links or information on oversaturating the surface causing mycelial matting? I'd looked before and it seemed that drying out was the primary cause. But I've failed to Google shit before so I'm all ears.
Not a huge difference in overall yeild, but definitely witnessed a difference in initial pinset, resulting in staggered flushes (i.e. pain in the ass, constantly harvesting a few fruit, difficulty timing hydration...)I've also purposefully over-saturated a shoebox: witnessed bursting caps, wavy caps, matted mycelium... I've seen too dry cause it as well, but seems more susceptible when overmisting IME... no links, never really gave it much thought past observation I suppose
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: thegiantwithin]
#25534915 - 10/13/18 04:28 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: Also, do you have any links or information on oversaturating the surface causing mycelial matting? I'd looked before and it seemed that drying out was the primary cause. But I've failed to Google shit before so I'm all ears.
Read my reply to Caps above, but I think too much humidity has been causing the matting problems I've been dealing with. The problem is the droplets get so big on the myc that they bleed onto the sub surface and well you get a matted surface. Drying it out a bit over night got rid of most of it, and now I'm going to figure out a schedule for the humidity controller that doesn't over saturate the myc, but keeps the rH in the FC up.
Cheers:)
Notice how a substrate surface can have LOTS of poling water on top of it and look healthy and the myc looks to be in a very hydrophobic state (seems)
Then there are those substrate surfaces that look like myc got crush by water and is no longer hydrophobic. This is where people overmist their subs cause they expect to spray forth nice glistening pearls of water but everything gets absorbed by the matted myc.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Mateja]
#25550425 - 10/19/18 02:02 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is a manure sub bag I thought had been a fail since the sub never fully colonized. I was about to throw it away and saw some pins. Can anyone tell me A) where I may have went wrong with the myc/sub not colonizing fully? B) the surface looks fairly suspect in some spots.. are the fruits going to be contaminated or worth keeping this experiment going? C) any advice on how to get anything more out of it by dunking maybe?


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: ETphonehomez]
#25550723 - 10/19/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bacteria
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25585232 - 11/01/18 06:59 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been observing some staggered pinning of my surface. Is this normal? This is probably 4 qts of spawn (6 qt jars 2/3 full) total spawned to 650g coir in a 54 qt monotub.
I more or less left it alone, probably misted three times over 10 days, had clean spawn (although with oats nocced with agar lc from two different mazatapec plates but each one probably had so many genotypes I can't imagine it makes much of a difference) and coir was at field capacity (I think since it passed the thin stream to quick droplets test). Light is on when I'm awake and off when I go to bed so probably like a 16/8 schedule. I definitely fucked up the levelness part. It's generally level but not perfect. Definitely needs work.
Every day I see more pins and can see a ton of hyphal knotting on the surface, but the staggered nature bothers me considering it looks like most people harvest all of them at the same time. Also I have side pins out the wazoo, like probably 5x what I have on the surface lol.
If anyone can help so I don't make the same mistake again next time, I would greatly appreciate it!
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: NastyGoober]
#25587728 - 11/02/18 07:39 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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It comes down to genetics and environmental. You have a lot of genetics going on. Put one of those early pins on agar and get a decent clone or isolate going and work on getting optimal surface conditions.
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Caps McGee
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Wing] 1
#25590908 - 11/04/18 07:07 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can upload photos directly here, it'll delete your exif data and many of us will not open 3rd party photos... I'd wait until they finish, take a clone from 5 of the fastest finishing fruit in clusters, run them side by side for comparison, and slant the best for future use
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25595693 - 11/06/18 09:45 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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My third go with unmodified tubs. Turned out real nice.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Kaladin]
#25595871 - 11/06/18 10:53 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25598730 - 11/07/18 02:06 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great tek. Trying this one today!
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