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R.I.P.Zappa
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Re: Lids on or off in grow room? [Re: Caps McGee]
#25518906 - 10/07/18 07:35 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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First official 32q unBODofied. Stubby thick and meaty burma clone. 4:4. Fairly neglected but pinning well enough given the cureent life circumstances.
Ran a few unmodified tubs and notice the corners like to get a bit dry no matter what the lid design or size. Figuring the air comes in straight down the sides and then pulls to the middle then up. 
At any rate loving the unmodified. Allot nicer flipping and turning the lid rather than screwing with tape and poly. 
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Slushyfoot06
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25519222 - 10/07/18 10:30 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: the media itself is leftover water from boiling oats. same with the LCs.
Can you show the process of how you make use of it?
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Slushyfoot06]
#25519230 - 10/07/18 10:33 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is really no process. Keep the grain water put it in a jar. Sterilize it add agar if you want grain water agar. I have a agar tek if you need details with agar.
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HeroicDoses
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25524565 - 10/09/18 02:16 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am starting to get some pins on top, but I am getting a lot of side pi s as well. My main worry is that the corner top left looks really dry, how should I handle the dry corners, mist or bottom water?
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Caps McGee
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: HeroicDoses]
#25524616 - 10/09/18 02:47 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mist from the opposite corner lightly, just to return surface moisture, take a look at how the lid fits, maybe rotate it every few days or so if it's sitting high in that corner for whatever reason
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: HeroicDoses]
#25524630 - 10/09/18 02:53 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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It doesn't look fully colonized but it is pinning 
You sure your spawn was clean?
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Caps McGee
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Wing]
#25524656 - 10/09/18 03:08 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wing said: It doesn't look fully colonized but it is pinning 
You sure your spawn was clean?
I didn't even look at the picture: trich gets bright white and "dry "looking before it greens IME... this pic is a little fuzzy, but looks kind of bright in that corner, and like wing mentioned, pinning prior to full colonization is indicative of contamination: the substrate "senses" the other culture and tries to get spores away from the infection as quickly as possible... I call it "stress fruiting ": though I'm not sure it's actually in the terminology lol
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KitchenChef
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25524671 - 10/09/18 03:15 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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the easier the better. if it yields the same or similar results why not try it.
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KitchenChef
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: KitchenChef]
#25524673 - 10/09/18 03:16 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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this tek seems quite amazing
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Caps McGee
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: KitchenChef]
#25524702 - 10/09/18 03:26 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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KitchenChef said: this tek seems quite amazing
It's the way to go... This and shoeboxes... But I think I saw you over there already lol
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HeroicDoses
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Wing]
#25524875 - 10/09/18 04:45 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wing said: It doesn't look fully colonized but it is pinning 
You sure your spawn was clean?
This is my first bulk grow so I'm not really sure. I didn't see any obvious signs in the grain bag, but I've been having some problems here, so I'm just going to pray it was clean and dump it if it's not. I didn't realize that this tek required experience before I bought all the stuff, I really should have just did a modified mono, which is what I'll try next if I lose this one.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: HeroicDoses]
#25524918 - 10/09/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not about the tub... and IMO/E, unmodified are easier than cutting holes and getting polyfil dialed in... need to work on sterile technique generating clean spawn (in SAB or laminar flow), with properly prepared grain and feild capacity coir... it truly is the easiest bulk next to shoeboxes... deeply consider agar, it's easy, fun, and eliminates a lot of wasted time, resources, and frustration
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
#25525018 - 10/09/18 05:38 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Firstly, huge thanks Bod, for the TEK and all the other work you've contributed. And thanks to everyone that is active and providing great information in the threads here and elsewhere. Invaluable stuff. Have made all this too easy to get here.


Spawned this tub on 9/27. First bulk grow, second grow overall. Lots of takeaways, as I obviously stumbled on some things here and there. Too much babysitting in the beginning to be true.
I read ComebackKids moisture thread and started trippin when my colonizing myc never produced its own beads of water, and that's when I think I started fussin with it all too much. Surface conditions became more difficult for me after knots started showing up, excitement, anticipation and nervousness all got the better of me.
I think I began misting too early, did not allow the pinset to fully develop. I keep reading everywhere that misting is infrequent with this TEK. I am still fine-tuning my conditions, as I have been fighting to keep my surface moisture up after a certain point. It seemed I had to constantly mist because beads would just not hold (before fruiting). I really want to say those difficulties came from messing with them too much early on. But substrate moisture content is also something I need to ensure I'm getting right as well. I should mentioned I bottom watered (inch-ish around the bottom) and it was completely absorbed by the morning. I have read people having to drain excess bottom watering, so with mine fully absorbing tipped me toward dry sub.
As far as the size of the fruits being so small.. either it is my moisture or genetics? Trying to do a little troubleshooting for the next round. The spawn is second gen, I believe, and the amount of spawn that went in is low.

This one is about 30 hours behind the other. Exposed grains, whereas the other tub had a psuedocasing. Some other variables as well, but this post is getting way longer than I intended and I can start I log with more details and pics (Would I just start its own thread for it?). Moisture and surface has been an even bigger struggle with this one. Side pinning is atrocious. Again, at a certain point I felt like I was misting every time I checked it because there was no surface moisture. Both had that deceptive, glossy web that looks like its moisture and sometimes it actually is but most times it isn't. But if I can see damn moisture beads in a shitty phone picture on a substrate, and I'm over here with my eyeball an inch away from my own sub and can't see damn beads, I'm fairly sure it's dry. But it shouldn't have been drying out that way, so I'm trying to cover all my own bases in troubleshooting.
But overall this is mad exciting. Watching close and taking notes for the next run. Get me the fresh ass Bod stamp haha Thanks again you all!
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Hatokod]
#25525906 - 10/10/18 12:41 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hatokod said: This one is about 30 hours behind the other. Exposed grains, whereas the other tub had a psuedocasing. Some other variables as well, but this post is getting way longer than I intended and I can start I log with more details and pics (Would I just start its own thread for it?). Moisture and surface has been an even bigger struggle with this one. Side pinning is atrocious. Again, at a certain point I felt like I was misting every time I checked it because there was no surface moisture. Both had that deceptive, glossy web that looks like its moisture and sometimes it actually is but most times it isn't. But if I can see damn moisture beads in a shitty phone picture on a substrate, and I'm over here with my eyeball an inch away from my own sub and can't see damn beads, I'm fairly sure it's dry. But it shouldn't have been drying out that way, so I'm trying to cover all my own bases in troubleshooting.
I noticed the same thing in my monotub, it seemed to lose moisture unexpectedly fast. It was spawned 1:1 grains/coir at field capacity, and during colonization when the lid was not flipped it retained moisture quite well and showed lots of condensation on the tub walls. When I flipped the lid condensation on the walls vanished completely after a couple of hours, like in your picture, and the next day the surface looked dry. Half a day later I got signs of dried myc on the surface, like matting or bruising. I had to mist at least 2 times a day to retain proper surface moisture. The substrate itself for sure still had a lot of moisture from spawning, but still the surface dried out quickly. I think not all lids are created equal and some will allow for more GE than others. RH in your room will also be a big factor. I guess one just has to stick to the "mist when the surface looks dry" scheme 
When spawning I patted down the sides of the substrate in the corners and along the sides to make it more dense where it meets the tub walls. Got hardly any sidepins so far. Not sure if this helps
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: sporecap]
#25526039 - 10/10/18 03:55 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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haven't seen you guys in a while. so i just returned to growing shrooms after a 2 year hiatus, previously I've only grown them in pf tek, but now that I've got a pc i can step up my game. sadly i cant get these tubs in my country and i dont really understand how big of a gap there should be? if i fan the tub twice a day is the gap really needed? has anyone succeeded not using the recommended tub? thanks!
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: spongegar]
#25526191 - 10/10/18 06:33 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can use any tub thats decently sized.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: spongegar]
#25526566 - 10/10/18 10:49 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hatokod said: Firstly, huge thanks Bod, for the TEK and all the other work you've contributed. And thanks to everyone that is active and providing great information in the threads here and elsewhere. Invaluable stuff. Have made all this too easy to get here.


Spawned this tub on 9/27. First bulk grow, second grow overall. Lots of takeaways, as I obviously stumbled on some things here and there. Too much babysitting in the beginning to be true.
I read ComebackKids moisture thread and started trippin when my colonizing myc never produced its own beads of water, and that's when I think I started fussin with it all too much. Surface conditions became more difficult for me after knots started showing up, excitement, anticipation and nervousness all got the better of me.
I think I began misting too early, did not allow the pinset to fully develop. I keep reading everywhere that misting is infrequent with this TEK. I am still fine-tuning my conditions, as I have been fighting to keep my surface moisture up after a certain point. It seemed I had to constantly mist because beads would just not hold (before fruiting). I really want to say those difficulties came from messing with them too much early on. But substrate moisture content is also something I need to ensure I'm getting right as well. I should mentioned I bottom watered (inch-ish around the bottom) and it was completely absorbed by the morning. I have read people having to drain excess bottom watering, so with mine fully absorbing tipped me toward dry sub.
As far as the size of the fruits being so small.. either it is my moisture or genetics? Trying to do a little troubleshooting for the next round. The spawn is second gen, I believe, and the amount of spawn that went in is low.

This one is about 30 hours behind the other. Exposed grains, whereas the other tub had a psuedocasing. Some other variables as well, but this post is getting way longer than I intended and I can start I log with more details and pics (Would I just start its own thread for it?). Moisture and surface has been an even bigger struggle with this one. Side pinning is atrocious. Again, at a certain point I felt like I was misting every time I checked it because there was no surface moisture. Both had that deceptive, glossy web that looks like its moisture and sometimes it actually is but most times it isn't. But if I can see damn moisture beads in a shitty phone picture on a substrate, and I'm over here with my eyeball an inch away from my own sub and can't see damn beads, I'm fairly sure it's dry. But it shouldn't have been drying out that way, so I'm trying to cover all my own bases in troubleshooting.
But overall this is mad exciting. Watching close and taking notes for the next run. Get me the fresh ass Bod stamp haha Thanks again you all!
Hard to say, practice makes perfect. Im leaning towards thinking you made it up too dry then the compensation helped but not in the best way.
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spongegar said: haven't seen you guys in a while. so i just returned to growing shrooms after a 2 year hiatus, previously I've only grown them in pf tek, but now that I've got a pc i can step up my game. sadly i cant get these tubs in my country and i dont really understand how big of a gap there should be? if i fan the tub twice a day is the gap really needed? has anyone succeeded not using the recommended tub? thanks!
Fanning is nearly pointless. Should get FAE 24/7 automatically. If you have some experience or tenacity you could probably get almost any tub to work
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#25527593 - 10/10/18 05:03 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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spongegar said: haven't seen you guys in a while. so i just returned to growing shrooms after a 2 year hiatus, previously I've only grown them in pf tek, but now that I've got a pc i can step up my game. sadly i cant get these tubs in my country and i dont really understand how big of a gap there should be? if i fan the tub twice a day is the gap really needed? has anyone succeeded not using the recommended tub? thanks!
Fanning is nearly pointless. Should get FAE 24/7 automatically. If you have some experience or tenacity you could probably get almost any tub to work
ill "experiment" with my setup and do a little writeup here. thanks for your input. cheers.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: spongegar]
#25528252 - 10/10/18 09:15 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Imo surface conditions and maintaining proper moisture is very much related to the conditions of one's climate. It's a do what works best for you sorta situation. It takes experimentation and experience to fiND that out. My temp dropped where I'm at the last couple weeks and now my tubs are drying a little so only got about 90% of a wall to wall flush (totally not complaining though lol). Another tub wasn't level and the middle didn't flush at the same rate as the sides. The third got really dry and it's got alot of side pins . Guess I need to be in less of a rush and check on my guys a little more. Live and learn!!
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK *DELETED* [Re: Madcapper144]
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