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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25338942 - 07/21/18 11:31 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I think I have it figured out.  It's cheap  and high in tryptophan


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Just_A_Noob]
    #25338957 - 07/21/18 11:36 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Better for potency? Hmmm...


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25338969 - 07/21/18 11:42 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Just_A_Noob]
    #25339921 - 07/22/18 01:11 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Oats are easier to prep IMO.  No pulling floaters, easier to get moisture right.

Plus oats smell good when cooking and sterilizing, unlike WBS that smells super funky.  :smile:

Those are my reasons for preferring oats over WBS.  (Although right now I'm liking wheat berries over either)


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Sivarted]
    #25340114 - 07/22/18 07:25 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Mush Hunter]
    #25340414 - 07/22/18 11:25 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I've tried the first version of this tek (with the lids on but not latched) several times and it keeps contaminating about half way through colonization.

I'm about to try the newest iteration of this tek, where fruiting conditions are initiated at the beginning.

This will be my fourth attempt.

I am pressure cooking my coir for three hours at 15 PSI, just to be overly thorough. I know you can sterilize using much less.

I'm adding more spawn this time to my tubs, hoping for quicker colonization.

Using the exact kinds of tubs that OP uses, with the exact same lights.

Wish me luck on attempt #4! Here is hoping I can learn what the problem is with my contams.



I wouldn't say its a version. You can do whatever you want with colonization/fruiting conditions. Colonization conditions don't cause contamination. People used to wrap their entire tubs in a black trash bag then shove em in a closet. And that didn't cause contamination either but it was dumb.



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It is not the tek that causes it to contaminate, it is your spawn not being clean.





I think I get what you guys are saying; but my spawn looks clean! It's white and nice looking. I break it up and see no contams.

I guess I'll look harder, and try more diligently. Thank you for your input friends.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Get Shwifty]
    #25340473 - 07/22/18 11:59 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Contaminant spores are tricky: even a well trained eye can miss them, and they aren't always so far gone that they impede on that lovely mushie scent... but if you're contaminating prior to first flush, it's 100% in your spawn... either your spores (print or syringe) are dirty, or you have some work to do on your sterile technique... were you using a SAB?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25340593 - 07/22/18 01:06 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Here's a bag from last round that had contaminants, but I used it and it still pumped out a flush before total contamination.

The more I learn the simpler it is.. All about the spawn and how clean it is.



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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Captain Shadow]
    #25340634 - 07/22/18 01:31 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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The more I learn the simpler it is.. All about the spawn and how clean it is.



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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25341152 - 07/22/18 06:47 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Contaminant spores are tricky: even a well trained eye can miss them, and they aren't always so far gone that they impede on that lovely mushie scent... but if you're contaminating prior to first flush, it's 100% in your spawn... either your spores (print or syringe) are dirty, or you have some work to do on your sterile technique... were you using a SAB?




I am using an SAB to inoculate my oats, along with a liquid inoculation technique I found somewhere on the forums here. Where you sterilize a jar of water, plop the colonized agar into it and shake.

I know it's more prone to error than say, just tossing a wedge of agar in your oat jars but it colonizes so quickly. Works amazingly 70% of the time.

I'm using bod's oat prep tek as well.

Thank you so much for your reply. I've been struggling with bad spawn for years. I probably need to rework all of this from the ground up and really analyze my spawn prep.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Get Shwifty]
    #25341996 - 07/23/18 09:31 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

A2G generally takes about 4 days to colonize IME... how much faster is LI?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25342000 - 07/23/18 09:35 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

4 days is like my G2G speed and sometimes its not even that fast.

I doubt if A2G can finish in less than a week


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25342019 - 07/23/18 09:53 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah G2G is fairly quick but 4 days is max speed IME

LI is super fast for me... I haven't counted the actual days but LI jars are fully colonized without any shakes in about half the time as my G2G jars and about 1/4th of the time of A2G


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: pixelpopper]
    #25342913 - 07/23/18 06:30 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Well, time to find out how much babysitting the ziploc 60qt weathershield tubs require.

Spawned just now to CVG with 7 quarts of wheatberry spawn.  :smile:



Second tub incoming in a couple days, just as soon as these puppies finish:



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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee] * 1
    #25342938 - 07/23/18 06:38 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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A2G generally takes about 4 days to colonize IME... how much faster is LI?



How is that even possible? The wedge itself takes like 2 days just to recover. So the wedge goes from 0 to a fully colonized jar in 2 days? I think you mis-spoke here. I don't believe A2G is even possible in less than 10 days, minimum. If you have documented posts showing otherwise, please do share.

With that said, LI can actually legit get 100% in 4 days if you pour enough and shake it enough to evenly coat all the grains.


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Munchauzen]
    #25342960 - 07/23/18 06:48 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Half a 10 day old culture into 100ml water into 4 jars, 5 days later:


Cod have been nice if the inoculation had been clean lol had to toss it when I spotted some green around the rim of the lid a few days later when I opened it :facepalm:

LI has always colonized in around 5-7 days tops for me.

A2G never been able to finish within a month :/ bad grain prep I guess


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Munchauzen]
    #25343313 - 07/23/18 09:22 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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How is that even possible? The wedge itself takes like 2 days just to recover. So the wedge goes from 0 to a fully colonized jar in 2 days? I think you mis-spoke here. I don't believe A2G is even possible in less than 10 days, minimum. If you have documented posts showing otherwise, please do share.

With that said, LI can actually legit get 100% in 4 days if you pour enough and shake it enough to evenly coat all the grains.



The agar recipe I used was soft, had to scoop it from the tray, used the entire petri... when I shook it, it basically liquefied... I saw recovery in less than 24


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25343322 - 07/23/18 09:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Gonna write a tek! Lol


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Psicomb]
    #25344094 - 07/24/18 10:05 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome! Was looking for a post about using 3qt of spawn in a 32qt tub before I asked!


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25344111 - 07/24/18 10:20 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

This looks fluffy and weird compared to you guy’s pics. Too humid? Bacterial?
I’ll say that I’m aware that I’ve made a lot of mistakes this first time like the level surface, and not cleaning the sides. I assume that’s why the myc is climbing the sides.


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