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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: markfive67]
#26240003 - 10/09/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I fail most the time, and I've been at it for 10 years. Others are wildly successful immediately. I really depends. There is a green thumb of sorts at play. My main problem is that I think I know better and always deviate from the instructions. don't do that and you'll be one step ahead.
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I've been having more success with these unmodified tubs when I started finding the right water content, BUT that's not just coir! How wet is your spawn?
Dry:
48 oz of rye (or wheat or oats) 650g brick of coir
Wet Water into the above:
118oz of water is the absolute edge of dry. Barely can grow cubes there.
120oz I got very weak flushes.
125oz I got better flushes
130oz the mycelia was bright white and thickly colonized the coir
Grain spawn prepped with 48oz of dry grain can vary 2 or more cups of water content! I run really dry myco bags at 41% (including the water within dry grains).... And then I read and talk with people using grains from mason jar grows at 51% water content. Thats 2 cups difference!!
Heads up when we are trying to figure that perfect spot! These set and forget unmodified grows really like to be on the dry side and left alone. Look above at my findings and imagine a 16 ounce random swing in water content because you aren't thinking about spawn moisture.
I'm really nailing it now that I'm taking this all into consideration.
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PS. That sweet spot above for me is: rye gets 30 oz of water (including water in dry berries) and coir gets 3.15q (100oz) of water. If you have wetter spawn, you can go drier with the coir.
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My feeling is the pooling water is mostly a temperature differential.... stack tubs and the top tub will sweat twice as much because of the heating from below.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: rickyswamps]
#26387346 - 12/17/19 03:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do they make press n seal wide enough for normal mono? 17" ish? I like this idea. I've also been playing with clear-ish plastic doublewall political signs, but they need a bit of weight to be flat. Also, some sterilite low profiles don't have a flat top rim.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: McGrimm]
#26445216 - 01/21/20 08:41 PM (4 years, 7 days ago) |
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McGrimm said: so as per the Tek, I have a question or two:
I have 36 qt jars of rye spawn, each with about 1cup rye fully colonized.
I have a damn Coir brick that is like ~11.2 lbs 
So if I go 1 brick (~650g ), even though it will be a pain to break down that massive 11 pound brick... to a 54qt tub. Then each tub should get 6 jars of spawn, right?
So im going to exhaust all jars and get 6 tubs, right? (which, if I did the whole huge brick of coir, it would give me almost 8 tubs worth, so Ill have a little extra, right? like ~1300g extra, or 2 tubs worth extra coir)

Wait, one cup colonized? should be about 3 cups. Maybe you mean dry rye.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bigAPE]
#26447231 - 01/22/20 09:35 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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Can I put my deck in your tint?
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Grumio]
#26643607 - 05/02/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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After a long battle cleaning a sneaky petri contam in my golden teacher, I'm finally back to growing clean again.... but now I gotta reteach myself to dial in these unmodified tubs... eeeek.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: tedoro]
#26644082 - 05/02/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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tedoro said: After a long battle cleaning a sneaky petri contam in my golden teacher, I'm finally back to growing clean again.... but now I gotta reteach myself to dial in these unmodified tubs... eeeek.

The surface has huge droplets everywhere, but underneath, one can see the coir is drying to a lighter color. And the edges get all the good light.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: A.k.a]
#26648017 - 05/04/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Okay.... what am I doing wrong? Golden Teacher. I didn't open my lids for 12 days or so. Nice even beading. Very sweaty inside lid. 70f room, no breeze. 2.75q water to a brick of coir. 1/2 cup of misting on surface at spawning. Very thin pseudo casing of coir. Earlier pictures a few posts earlier.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Moower]
#26648454 - 05/04/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Moower said: I'd probably squeeze sides a little harder next time to avoid side pins. Other than that - shrooms on top look good 
I was thinking the same thing. Thanks.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: MrXaven]
#27163083 - 01/22/21 08:48 AM (3 years, 5 days ago) |
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MrXaven said: I’ve got a more basic question. In your guys experience, how much grain spawn do you add to the mono tub? Mines in quart jars. Is 1 enough or should I do 2?
depends on your tub. The average "monotub" might be 54 quarts or there about... people put on average 7 "myco quarts" or quart jars that are 3/4 or less full. So maybe 4.5 actual quarts.
Lots of people put one myco quart into a shoe box.
hope that helps
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: DERRAYLD]
#27246845 - 03/10/21 02:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I studied my lids carefully, and found I could strategically add a bit of hot glue to my lids to close large gaps on the corners of my 28q low profile sterilite lids. Helps keep the corners from getting scorched. Also... zero air movement... thats key for me.
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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: MycoMan618] 1
#27265248 - 03/22/21 11:10 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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MycoMan618 said: I’m a newb at bulk growing , and will be trying this tek as soon as my bags have inoculated . I do however have a couple questions , I live in a cold basement so will I need a heating pad ? Also , how is the humidity regulated ? Should I buy a humidifier or does the coco/verm make their own humidity when misted ? Sorry for the newb question and anything will help . Thank you
Hey man, Welcome.
So one thing you do need to do is have a place that it cube temp. 65-75f and that needs to be the temp for the room, not the bags or tubs. You'll get a moldy mess if you heat either directly. An absolute no no.
And the cool thing about monotubs is that they make their own humidity. most of us don't have humidifiers.
Other than that.... stick to a recent tek very closely! thats the key to success.
cheers!
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: PBJ710]
#28206825 - 02/27/23 01:31 PM (10 months, 24 days ago) |
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unlearn88 said: this tek must not be for me because I am having to mist like 4x per day.. sub keeps drying out too fast. Maybe they changed the design of the tubs over the years?
Part of the tradeoff for lazy man unmodified tubs is you have very limited control over the environment. IME unmodified tubs provide inconsistent FAE and are extremely sensitive to airflow in the room.
I second this. Its one of the hardest lessens I've had to have. Drafty monos are a nightmare to dial in.
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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: Newbiesshroomies]
#28540050 - 11/12/23 10:34 AM (2 months, 14 days ago) |
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It takes a second to dial in a tub. The crack between the lid and the tub differs from tub to tub. The main goal is to create perfect, moist growing conditions on the top surface. Many people use liners to suppress the side pins. Light has nothing to do with side pins... you can use clear liners.
Recent consensus is to start out ones tub with fruiting conditions. But I have found benefit from less FAE up until the substrate creates its own dew, then introduce more and more air as the grow progresses.
My guess, you got the substrate too dry, and the moist crevices between the tub and the substrate were the only place the organism felt it could fruit.
hope this helps.
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