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Invisibleflyhighfunguy


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Erock]
    #25216460 - 05/20/18 12:10 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I cant find a tub with the same name that you listed in the tek unfortunately.

Is this the correct tub? https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite+air+right+32+quart

Its called a STERILITE 19334304 32 Quart/30 Liter Gasket Box, Clear with Blue Aquarium Latches and Gasket, 4-Pack


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Invisibleflyhighfunguy


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Erock]
    #25216806 - 05/20/18 03:19 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Erock said:
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flyhighfunguy said:
I cant find a tub with the same name that you listed in the tek unfortunately.

Is this the correct tub? [url=https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite air right 32 quart&ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1&ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1]https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite air right 32 quart[/url]

Its called a STERILITE 19334304 32 Quart/30 Liter Gasket Box, Clear with Blue Aquarium Latches and Gasket, 4-Pack




Those are them. They make a 54qt version too.



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Erock said:
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flyhighfunguy said:
I cant find a tub with the same name that you listed in the tek unfortunately.

Is this the correct tub? https://www.amazon.com/STERILITE-19334304-Gasket-Aquarium-Latches/dp/B00KL7VQ7S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526839737&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=sterilite+air+right+32+quart

Its called a STERILITE 19334304 32 Quart/30 Liter Gasket Box, Clear with Blue Aquarium Latches and Gasket, 4-Pack




Those are them. They make a 54qt version too.



Could i use this 20 quart version the same way? https://www.target.com/p/sterilite-20-qt-gasket-box-clear-with-blue-latches/-/A-15066036

Or does it not work as well with the smaller tubs?


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Invisibleflyhighfunguy


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Germs]
    #25216868 - 05/20/18 04:02 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Germs said:

I used a couple of those 20qts with 2-3 qts of spawn, works fine. I have to leave the lid flipped from the start or I get a shit ton of condensation during colonization



So in one of those 20qts you think 2 quarts of rye grain and 2 quarts of CVG would be alright? Do you think id be better off just going the shoebox route with that much spawn?

Also, do you know the RH of the area you grow in? So i can help judge if i should also flip the lid during colonization. My room is about 45-50%


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Germs]
    #25216938 - 05/20/18 04:29 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
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Other tubs may work, if you're familiar with the principles of operation feel free to experiment and contribute. As always think outside the box, things can be a lot more simple and efficient often times.

I have not recommended any other tubs because I have not used any other ones. I'm sure that other kinds of tubs would work just fine. You'll want a clear lid at the very least.






Alright maybe ill give it a shot then.

Whats the minimum amount of quarts of spawn and sub you recommend recommend for a 20 quart tub? (
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flyhighfunguy said:
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Germs said:

I used a couple of those 20qts with 2-3 qts of spawn, works fine. I have to leave the lid flipped from the start or I get a shit ton of condensation during colonization



So in one of those 20qts you think 2 quarts of rye grain and 2 quarts of CVG would be alright? Do you think id be better off just going the shoebox route with that much spawn?

Also, do you know the RH of the area you grow in? So i can help judge if i should also flip the lid during colonization. My room is about 45-50%



That sounds good. Shoebox route with that much is also good. Try both.

50-60% here



Alright sweet, last time i used shoeboxes with 4 BRF cakes shredded to 2 qt verm i had some issues with the surface drying too fast. This time ill be using grains, but maybe using one of these monotubs will help with the surface condition problems.

Would you say the amount of skill required to use one of these monos is about the same as a shoebox? Or are these slightly more difficult.


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Invisibleflyhighfunguy


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25217139 - 05/20/18 06:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
I've never once measured substrate. you just use what you need lol. dump some spawn jars in and call it a day. probably 1-4 jars would work just fine.

harder or easier depends on what you find to be hard and easy

I don't think your RH plays that big of a roll at all. the tubs are semi isolated. heck my RH is like 20% in the winter. if anything it helps pull some of that water out of the substrate to humidify the chamber.



Do you think that these would require less misting/overall maintenance than a shoebox? Personally, for some reason ive had to mist shoeboxes 2-3 times a day in order to maintain a very slight layer of beads on the surface. Im hoping maybe a monotub could allow me to cut down on this misting? If so, i think one of these monos would be a much better option for me.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Josex]
    #25217160 - 05/20/18 06:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Josex said:
A shoebox requires far more monitoring and more work than a monotub, the surface can dry out if neglected. A bigger sub pretty much maintains itself.



Perfect thats what i was hoping for. Thats exactly the type of thing im looking for. This is what ill do next then. Thanks for the help guys.


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Invisibleflyhighfunguy


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25217173 - 05/20/18 06:33 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
I find both to be pretty much almost no work.
Especially using grocey bags to dub tub the shoeboxes



Damn im so stumped on this then. I cant for the life of me figure out why my shoeboxes require so much misting. After full colonization there were never natural beads of moisture unless i misted, and in order to maintain the beads i needed to mist 2-3 times a day. Would you recommend more water for this substrate recipe? Maybe thats my problem?

650 grams coir, 2 quarts vermiculite, 1 cup gypsum, 4 quarts water.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Thedenthead]
    #25217406 - 05/20/18 08:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Thedenthead said:
Maybe I prep my coir wet but it’s never that hard to squeeze some drops out... never had an issue yet.



Should i try adding like another half quart or full quart of water to the recipe you think? After full colonization there should be natural beads of moisture without needing to constantly mist right? Because my tubs have never had that and always require regular misting.


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Invisibleflyhighfunguy


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bloozmahn]
    #25249979 - 06/05/18 12:10 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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bloozmahn said:
There is a guide here for sterilization using a pot with tight fitting lid.  I'm budget limited as I'm recovering from surgery and can't work for a while.  Just trying to get things going until I can afford to do everything as far as equipment.



If you cant get a pressure cooker i would not recommend doing grains. That seems extremely risky imo. I think doing brf cakes would be a much safer route, as you can steam sterilize them. You can also shred the cakes with a cheese grater and spawn them to coir just like you would with the grains.

Heres the teks id recommend.

Pf Tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086 <---- Use this for making the cakes, inoculating, etc

BRF To Bulk: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24945782 <---- Use this once the cakes are fully colonized and ready to fruit (if you choose to spawn to coir still)


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Invisibleflyhighfunguy


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25251983 - 06/06/18 11:43 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:


Fucking weirdo tub lol



Wtf that looks insane. Was the spawn contam'd at all or is that completely healthy mycelium?


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Invisibleflyhighfunguy


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25252290 - 06/06/18 02:40 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
No plans to ever case cubes again for me



Do you personally find that a casing benefits penis envy strains? Or do you not use a casing for PE's either? Ill be growing APE's soon for the first time, and im trying to decide if i should use a top layer at spawn, a casing after full colonization, or both. Ive had good success with just a top layer for normal cubes.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25252330 - 06/06/18 03:00 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
I rarely grow PE. People get absolutely retarded about growing PE though and all worried about parameters. It does fine with and without a casing. People have managed the get it to do extremely well both ways. People get no blobs with either or method. People get blobs with either or method.



Hmm alright maybe I'll just try out using a top layer at spawn then since thats what I'm used to. Like you said, I've seen a lot of people getting worried about growing PE so I figured it took more skill/care than regular cubes. I'll just use a top layer and treat them like I do regular cubes.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25252368 - 06/06/18 03:18 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
I think the biggest problem is that it takes a long(er) time to pin. And people either mist way too much or do something else detrimental during the waiting period.



Alright sweet ill keep that in mind. Ill try to refrain from misting/messing with the tub at all unless its absolutely necessary. Im going to be upping my water from 4 quarts to 4.5 quarts for my next batch of CVG so im hoping i can achieve some natural beads of moisture without needing to mist very much. Thanks for the help


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25252390 - 06/06/18 03:31 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
See that's what i mean people over think PE and do weird extra stuff. Don't make your substrate too wet. Just don't over mist. You want your substrate perfect. and your surface perfect. Not your substrate too wet so your surface might end up perfect.

What you might need to mist every 2-4 days for up to a couple weeks. Big deal

Pump sprayer. Pump it up and with a one second thumb press a tub is misted with ultra fine mist. Can do 5 tubs in less time it takes to put shoes on.



Yea i actually bought the same sprayer as you after you recommended it to me. Its amazing.

The reason im adding more water isnt because of the PE, but rather because during my last grow (Also my first grow ever) my tubs never created any natural beads of moisture on there own. I had to mist from full colonization until harvest pretty much every day in order to create the beads of moisture.

Many people told me my field capacity looked perfect, however after looking at the grow told me it could maybe use a little more water. The video below is the substrate just for reference.

650 grams coir, 2 quarts vermiculite, 1 cup gypsum, 4 quarts water.


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25252414 - 06/06/18 03:37 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
Whatever is the perfect ratio for you is what you go with.

I do like 800g eco earth to 4q water. Sometimes i think even thats too wet.
I do 800g because eco earth bricks are all over the place in weight anyway so i just weight it regardless and always have like 10+. Bricks in storage tub.

Or if i get the big block from the garden store needs to be weighed out. That stuff seems to hold a bit more water. Could also be that its just lower moisture content right off the bat than eco Earth. It is more pale in appearance before hydration.




Would you agree that its abnormal to not get any natural beads of moisture, considering fae and everything else is correct? There were never any beads of moisture on the surface until i began to mist regularly.

Would you be happy with the way it looked in that video, or would you probably go a little wetter you think? I was squeezing very hard in the video, and have since been told i should get a quick small stream rather than a dozen or so droplets. Maybe since i added the verm/gypsum my recipe requires more water?


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25252434 - 06/06/18 03:45 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
I can usually just tell by how it feels when i mix it up if its too wet or dry. TBH i don't do the squeeze test or havent in years.

I guess from the video i would say dry side. Hard to say but keep mental or wrote down note and adjust till you nail it. Then keep on doing that



Alright cool maybe ill start out with .25 quarts extra, see how that looks, and maybe go up from there. You saying it appears on the dry side as well makes me more confident with my decision to add some more water. Thanks for the help man


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: mushboy]
    #25260327 - 06/10/18 08:06 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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mushboy said:
mushboy likes to put shoeboxes in those:smuglook:



How many shoeboxes can you usually fit in those?

Also, do you find it is easier to maintain proper surface conditions with the mono, rather than simply putting the lid on the shoebox? If not, what benefits do you think the mono has over a regular shoebox setup?


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: boom boom]
    #25260377 - 06/10/18 08:47 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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mushboy said:
imo they are the exact same thing. just different proportions. mushrooms do not know about tub size anyway:scaryshroom:
check out the making shoeboxes thread for all your answers(related to shoeboxes) stay here for unmoddified monos.

80qt sterlites holds 3 6qt shoeboxes perfectly.



Yea What I meant was do you think putting your shoeboxes inside of one of these monos is easier than just fruiting the shoebox with its lid snapped on? Whats the reason you choose to fruit your shoeboxes in a mono rather than just with their lids?


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Re: BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25285303 - 06/22/18 02:07 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
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Mush Hunter said:
Everyone else is there except for bod's, so no clue to be honest!



Its hosted here, everyone but you can see it. So its definitely a cache issue



I cant see it either lol. I can see everyones except for yours. Just looks like you have no avatar :confused:


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Re: Unmodified(no holes no poly) 54q Fruiting Chamber(off the shelf monotub) TEK [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25365122 - 08/03/18 07:37 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Is there a specific reason that you aim to put the tub into fruiting around 80%, rather than 100%? Do you find that it reduces side pins and/or improves pinsets? No matter what I do I always get at least a few side pins, and I'm wondering if fruiting at 100% is my problem.


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