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different substance = different experience?
    #22336919 - 10/05/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hi all,

Let me start off by describing myself as an agnostic psychonaut;
I don't really see mushrooms, cacti or DMT-containing plants as teachers, entities, or being.
I just consider them as sources of different alkaloids.
Not to say that I expect anyone to thing as I do, I'm just explaining this so people would know what my attitude is, and hopefully reply accordingly.

Now that we have this out of the way, I'll ask my question :smile:

I've been using shrooms for a while now, and loving it.
A few months ago I went to my first Ayahuasca ceremony, expecting the trip to be totally different from what I know using shrooms.
Naturally, the settings were quite different, as I'm taking shrooms by myself usually, and as you may know, the Ayahuasca ceremony is very different than that.
But, as far as the effect of the substance goes, I found it to be quite similar to a strong shroom trip. (not to the body, which reacts differently to each substance)

Now this got me thinking: Are all psychedelic substances essentially similar in the core experience that they provide, if we exclude the duration, bodily reaction (nausea, cramps) , set+setting?

Can I just use shrooms and get anywhere the other substances might take me or am I essentially missing out by not using DMT, Mescaline?

Since it is always I who is having the trip, does each substance offer new horizons to explore or is it simply auto-suggestion or the result of set+setting / bodily reactions?

I'd love to hear your comments


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Re: different substance = different experience? [Re: agarmeister]
    #22336941 - 10/05/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

They're all different in their effects and feels body wise. Mushrooms and DMT are nearly the exact same chemical. That explains the simialrities.

But LSD effects more receptors and lasts longer than Psilocybin. Mescaline effects different receptors aswell and is a phenylamine.

They're all different.


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Re: different substance = different experience? [Re: agarmeister]
    #22336962 - 10/05/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sure the classics have similarities, they all feel different to me tho, subtle things like visual style, headspace, perspective. Shrooms and DMT have this ecstatic confusion and heavy bombardment of glimpses at enlightenment.

Where mescal and L can get you there with precision strikes equipped with a silencer.

They can for sure seem similar at heavy doses.


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Re: different substance = different experience? [Re: satch1234]
    #22337005 - 10/05/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think the differences are subtle in high doses, and fairly evident in smaller ones.


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Re: different substance = different experience? [Re: agarmeister]
    #22337429 - 10/05/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

DMT and mushrooms do feel similar. Nothing really compares to a high dose of DMT. Mushrooms usually only take me as far as the DMT afterglow when I look in the mirror after break through it any pupils are still giant. Everything looks blocky too me. Design is extremely pronounced in everything where I normally ignore it.
LSD is usually more eletric it makes me want to do shit and move around
to me where DMT/mushrooms are like

Blocky knowledge straight into the brain.


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Re: different substance = different experience? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22338646 - 10/05/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Mushrooms and DMT are similar because they are both tryptamines and very similar chemically as well. Never the less, I feel that with more experience differences will become apparent.

But there is definitely a real difference between mushrooms/DMT and mescaline. There is always a lot of overlap with psychedcelics which can make it difficult to pinpoint specifically what the differences are but I think one of the most general things everyone would agree with is that with mushrooms there is a lot of confusion and disorientation, especially at high doses, whereas with mescaline the mind remains much clearer. The differences go deeper than that in my experience but its hard to use language to explain what they are in a precise way.


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Re: different substance = different experience? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22339826 - 10/06/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I agree about the analytical and transparent character of the LSD experience, in contrast to the Mushrooms / Ayahuasca experience.

signing up to an ayahuasca ceremony is both expensive and involves human interaction which I personally don't find beneficial, but rather distracting. (other people's vomiting sounds, crappy music etc)
I guess that I won't be missing much if I stick to shrooming solo out in nature.

That said, if Mescalin is a different story in terms of experience then I guess that I do need to check it out and see where it takes me.


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Re: different substance = different experience? [Re: agarmeister]
    #22340989 - 10/06/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You MUST do mescal :tripping:


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Re: different substance = different experience? [Re: agarmeister]
    #22341191 - 10/06/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've wondered this as well, but I've only had mushrooms and a mystery chemical (probably lsd). My experiences with them are similar at the core, but the methods with which each uses to communicate the message, and the tangents I'm allowed to go off into, are much different.  The 'chemical' had defined (and pleasantly comforting) barriers, the mushroom doesn't seem to care how far I float away...


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Re: different substance = different experience? [Re: unfortunategent]
    #22341290 - 10/06/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

With mushrooms I saw god, with lsd I saw my own soul. And with mescaline I saw the world we live in as it really is.


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Re: different substance = different experience? [Re: agarmeister]
    #22342272 - 10/06/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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agarmeister said:
I agree about the analytical and transparent character of the LSD experience, in contrast to the Mushrooms / Ayahuasca experience.

signing up to an ayahuasca ceremony is both expensive and involves human interaction which I personally don't find beneficial, but rather distracting. (other people's vomiting sounds, crappy music etc)
I guess that I won't be missing much if I stick to shrooming solo out in nature.

That said, if Mescalin is a different story in terms of experience then I guess that I do need to check it out and see where it takes me.





You definitely need to try mescaline, it is very different from mushrooms.


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