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How to do drugs, how do YOU do them?
#22336812 - 10/05/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right off the bat let me just state that this is a singular opinion post, and should be taken as such.
I have been reading a good amount of trip reports recently and am honestly confused and somewhat disenchanted from many of them. A large proportion of the reports are in set and settings I find repulsive. The most confusing to me is the very common solo high dosage trip alone in their bedroom. This sounds absolutely awful to me. The other main one is when people attempt heroic doses in some kind of 'quest' in becoming king of fucked-up-landia. Or the reports of people that nonchalantly trip 12+ times a year. These both sound awful and misguided to me. All of these to me seem like a short road to a bad trip or a waste of the potential of each trip.
Firstly tripping alone is confusing to me because one of my favorite parts of the experience is connecting with others well using. I love that feeling like you and your trip-mates are on a boat in the middle of the ocean, that you are exploring this new world together. As far as being introspective I have had no issue looking inward in the presence of others, I think that this is just as important to be able to do sober as it is tripping. I don't think it is as nearly important to this point, but there is also the added safety of having others around in case something were to go wrong. In the end it comes down to sharing, sharing is caring, why go it alone when there are those happy to join you?
My other surprise reading the reports was from the overwhelming amount that took place exclusively inside. GO OUTSIDE PEOPLE! I cannot imagine sitting in some basement or bedroom just tripping. I admittedly had an amazing experience looking at some art indoors tripping, but in short intervals, retreating outside after a few minutes and spending 95%+ of the trip outside. It seems repulsive to me to be in the presence of so much man made stuff well tripping, the only way I can describe it is as 'fake'; a note many people mention is their confusion or disgust with money well tripping, this is how I feel about almost all unnatural items well tripping. Similar to solo tripping I find it very wasteful and less enhancing to stay indoors.
Probably the most disturbing reoccurring theme in a lot of reports is the reason many seem to be using psychedelic substances. It looks to me to be a three way tie between who can do the highest ug/mg/g dosage or in a similar vein just doing a ridiculous dose in hopes of seeing into the great beyond or some BS like that, and thirdly dosing every damn weekend. I think the first one is obviously the most foolish, and I think will more likely than not lead to a big bad nightmare of a trip. This of course doesn't seem to stop anyone from continuing this trend as every other report seems to have a section reserved for the part of the trip where they are on the verge, or do, call 911. Stop being dumb, stop wasting tax dollars, stop being irresponsible and giving these substances a bad name please.
Then there are those that are I guess bored of 'just' tripping, they want to die (figuratively, or literally, idk), or see alah, or gargle the universes balls, I don't know. To me if you can't have a ego death, out of this body and world, 'wow' trip from even a low dose (100ug-200ug LSD, 2-3g Shrooms, etc...) you aren't in the right sober mind-state starting off. If you are really ready, willing and prepared to 'wake up' or have that breakthrough it won't take much to push you off the cliff, certainty not the '4 substance mind fuck mix' that seems to be stupidly common in the reports.
Lastly the poles from the 'how many times do you trip/year' threads. With the option 50-100 times/year poling a solid 10-25% in some threads this scares me. Then there are the below posts of those same people saying shit like, "I only trip on the weekends so I can keep my tolerance low and integrate the experience."...WHAT?!Regardless if you can manage to not build a tolerance tripping so frequently, which I really doubt, then you also integrate it in a week and are ready for more mind fuck? If each trip only gives you a week worth of open-mindedness, connectedness or pleasure for a week before you need another mind fuck you're doing it wrong. A Sunday hike into the mountains, lunch with friends, a engaging book, these are things that you can and should be doing weekly, not blasting your brain up zues' asshole. As with my other issues I just think it's a big ol' waste.
More than anything I would like to discuss with those that have done these things, I WANT to know what I might be missing. Please post you're thoughts, I want to see how YOU do psychedelics and why!
EDIT: Here are a few reports off page 1 of trip reports, these are the type of post I am referring to in my above rant: 20g dried first timer (genius): http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22335455/gonew/1#UNREAD
First timer with PTSD and mixing with Xanax (How dumb can yall get?) :http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22224094
Mix master who falls asleep and can't really remember anything of value (toats worth it mane): http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6045571/gonew/1#UNREAD
Big group, inside, mentally unstable individual (freak case, but still): http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21193309
There are a few more on just page 1 that aren't as extreme, but still include huge or crazy frequent dosing, indoors tripping, or mixing with negative or just 'meh' effects. In my opinion if you want a 'meh' experience go jack off or what a movie, these are some of the strongest substances in the world and the way their doing them results in 'just OK' reports!?
-------------------- It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks] 3
#22336827 - 10/05/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I type the drug im about to ise into shroomery search engine, and read every thread that even mentions it, all the way through to the end.
I also regularly check zombi3s thread to make sure the new drug doesn't have potential for toe loss.
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Smart, education is definitely key whenever trying a new substance.
-------------------- It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks] 2
#22336843 - 10/05/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Solo trips are one of the most peaceful and learning experiences or your life I wouldn't write them so easily.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22336846 - 10/05/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where's the option for "I didn't read all of that"?
I skimmed. You have an opinion, other people have their own opinion. Personally I think tripping around people sucks. Especially other people tripping. I almost always did it alone. When I'm tripping I just want to be left the fuck alone. I find it highly annoying when I'm trying to take in the experience and someone tripping has to keep talking to me and asking me questions about whatever stupid thought is currently going through their head. No one I have ever tripped with has ever had anything thought provoking or meaningful to say. It's all shit you'd expect a 13 year old to say while smoking weed for the first or second time. A bunch of "what ifs" and sci-fi conspiracy type bullshit.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22336863 - 10/05/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oddly I completely agree, I too might trip alone if the people I did it with were that annoying. I have only tripped with very close friends who are great at keeping to themselves but also bringing their good energy to the trip.
-------------------- It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22336867 - 10/05/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes and no. People are different. Those that are more introverted may need to be in a more inside environment. Same applies to solo tripping. I never trip solo, but often do trip inside. It's what I need. Different people need different things. It's just that I do not seem to be surprised about it, and you do.
And to a degree the same applies to dosage and frequency. If I can I love to trip 12 times a year. But some years are not that good, and I'm busy. Other years are better, and I really can integrate and go at it again. I do agree that some people I know do not seem to be in very good contact with themselves, and this leads to overdosing. As well as over eating, choosing the wrong lovers, and overspending etc.
Anyway, overall I get your mentality, it's alright. Just don't be so surprised that we are all a little different.
Love, Hanz.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SpaceDawg]
#22336869 - 10/05/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha, I guess I could add that option. I kinda was hoping for discussion on the topic though and feel like it's important for people to know where the other is coming from and what their asking before responding.
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I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Hanz]
#22336913 - 10/05/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hanz said: Yes and no. People are different. Those that are more introverted may need to be in a more inside environment. Same applies to solo tripping. I never trip solo, but often do trip inside. It's what I need. Different people need different things. It's just that I do not seem to be surprised about it, and you do.
And to a degree the same applies to dosage and frequency. If I can I love to trip 12 times a year. But some years are not that good, and I'm busy. Other years are better, and I really can integrate and go at it again. I do agree that some people I know do not seem to be in very good contact with themselves, and this leads to overdosing. As well as over eating, choosing the wrong lovers, and overspending etc.
Anyway, overall I get your mentality, it's alright. Just don't be so surprised that we are all a little different.
Love, Hanz.
Thanks for the response. I too test introvert in personality tests, but I find being outside to be more comfortable because I feel more alone, in my own world. As far as dosing once a month I think that is much better than once a week but still I don't understand it. The benefits from a trip can last much longer, a lifetime in fact. I think by using that frequently you'd begin to take for granted the mind enhancing properties, and be doing it just for the endorphins it release making you feel good. I just think too much of any good thing is bad, and when it is something as good as LSD or other psychedelics it doesn't take a lot to be too much.
-------------------- It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22336991 - 10/05/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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True, but again my point is "too much" is not the same absolute measure for all of us. What can seem as a lot to you may seem perfectly within bounds to someone else. This is not such a deep thing at all to realize, isn't it? I get where you're coming from though...
Love, Hanz.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22336999 - 10/05/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've been taking psychedelics for over 20 years now. i prefer solo tripping or tripping with a few select friends in private. i don't trip often, maybe three to six times a year at most, but when i do i tend to favor larger (but safe) doses. i do love being outside, but my current living situation prevents it, so when i trip it's mostly indoors.
that being said, keeping things on a small scare has its advantages. with solo tripping, you don't have to worry about other people's bullshit. i tend to only trip with people who don't have bullshit, but if i'm alone i know 100% that the only bullshit i'll have to deal with is my own. i also like being in my home. it's safe, it's private, i can listen to and do exactly what i want to without any concern. and even with other people involved in someone else's home, those rules generally apply as well.
i personally think tripping in public is ill advised under most circumstances.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy]
#22337016 - 10/05/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for your response. I definitely agree with the no public tripping. By outside mean out in nature.
Did you always do large doses? Or did you increase over time? I think larger doses are alright if taken in a good mind state and for good reasons, and as you said only a few times a year.
-------------------- It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was Earth.
I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22337023 - 10/05/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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nowadays, because i know my limits and what i can handle, i tend to favor larger doses. but i always play it safe and there are certain things i won't do alone. i have always tended to favor larger doses. i guess i'm just not a threshold guy.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy]
#22338386 - 10/05/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with you somewhat, op, but to me its not all or nothing. There are different approaches and some of them seem just as valid to me. I tend to trip with close friends, but I can see some benefit -possibly quite a lot- in tripping alone. I usually like to be in nature, but sometimes being inside is where its at just a matter of what feels right in the moment. I don't get the public tripping or the dick-sizing aspects though I'll agree with you there
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Ezuma]
#22338489 - 10/05/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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some of my best experiences have been solo trips.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy]
#22338857 - 10/05/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Generally solo if I intend to consume larger quantities, and smaller doses to supplement live music events or certain public activities (hitting the museums/aquarium/planetarium in Chicago on acid or mushrooms never fails to be ). How often I take stuff honestly depends solely on mood. Sometimes I'll trip a few times in a 2-3 week period and others I'll go for months without even the slightest inclination to take anything. Depends heavily on the substance as well. I'm much more comfortable taking small to medium doses of semi-regularly and in public spaces than I am with things like acid or mushrooms, if only because I don't have to worry about not being able to drive myself home or otherwise being too spun.
Heroic dosing simply for the purpose of taking drugs is retarded and I'll never agree with it. Went to a music fest recently and saw soooo many people taking like 1 g lines of ketamine or frantically snorting the remainder of their drugs during the very last set of the fest, even though it'll be wasted because they'll either pass out within an hour or two because everyones exhausted at that point or they simply won't remember shit.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Cj-B]
#22338868 - 10/05/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22338874 - 10/05/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Cj-B]
#22338943 - 10/05/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cj-B said: Generally solo if I intend to consume larger quantities, and smaller doses to supplement live music events or certain public activities (hitting the museums/aquarium/planetarium in Chicago on acid or mushrooms never fails to be ). How often I take stuff honestly depends solely on mood. Sometimes I'll trip a few times in a 2-3 week period and others I'll go for months without even the slightest inclination to take anything. Depends heavily on the substance as well. I'm much more comfortable taking small to medium doses of semi-regularly and in public spaces than I am with things like acid or mushrooms, if only because I don't have to worry about not being able to drive myself home or otherwise being too spun.
Heroic dosing simply for the purpose of taking drugs is retarded and I'll never agree with it. Went to a music fest recently and saw soooo many people taking like 1 g lines of ketamine or frantically snorting the remainder of their drugs during the very last set of the fest, even though it'll be wasted because they'll either pass out within an hour or two because everyones exhausted at that point or they simply won't remember shit.
Thanks for the response! I went to Chicago this summer, first big city I'd ever been to. It was a long layover so I only had half a day to check it out and I went to the field museum, it was amazing. I saw the planetarium and aquarium and really wished I had time to see it all.
Tripping in those places actually sounds appealing, it seems a lot different than some room in a house which I'm still opposed to. I think as long as it's a small enough dose that it's easily controllable that'd be pretty fun.
What you said about the festival mentality of taking drugs is exactly what I was trying to convey, doing high doses is fine, but doing it just 'cause' is dumb and there is a point when 1 more hit or 10 is only a fraction of a stronger trip so why waste it I think.
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I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Ezuma]
#22338962 - 10/05/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: I agree with you somewhat, op, but to me its not all or nothing. There are different approaches and some of them seem just as valid to me. I tend to trip with close friends, but I can see some benefit -possibly quite a lot- in tripping alone. I usually like to be in nature, but sometimes being inside is where its at just a matter of what feels right in the moment. I don't get the public tripping or the dick-sizing aspects though I'll agree with you there
Thanks for the response, a dialogue is definitely what I am looking for. I want to know the benefits of, for example, tripping solo or tripping inside? What type of trip do you find when you do indoors or go solo? In my mind, which is inexperienced in both of those obviously, I always assume being with good friends in nature is a guaranteed good feeling trip and only enhanced.
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I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Envix]
#22338969 - 10/05/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Envix said: alone
Elaborate a bit man! I'm interested in why. And what benefits going it alone do you think there are? Thanks for the response.
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I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Envix]
#22338973 - 10/05/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had a wide and varied tripping career over more than 20 years OP. I have tripped inside, outside, alone, in crowds, small groups, nightclubs, megadoses, microdoses, bi-weekly, annually, cocktail combos, after fasting, drunk... you name it I have probably tried it tripping. The reality is (in my eyes) that there is no right or wrong. There's different levels of risk, but that is all.
One experience that would forever open and positively change one individual might forever destroy another. Psychs aren't like other drugs where you can draw a line in the sand and say that is too far, because they are different for every individual, and for each individual they are different through age and mindset too.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22338975 - 10/05/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I want good times, which usually I do to some degree, I want friends around. Not many. There are a small group of people I'm comfortable with in most any situation, and I can really be myself around. One of those guys went a bit psychotic though so... no more tripping with him for a while sadly. As for inside, I think, if I took a high dose, being inside would possibly be a good idea. If your visuals are intense the physical setting doesn't matter as much anyway. I haven't done much solo tripping, but I would like to. I see the benefit there of being more geared towards transcendental/exploratory trips and higher doses.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22339285 - 10/06/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Envix said: alone
Elaborate a bit man! I'm interested in why. And what benefits going it alone do you think there are? Thanks for the response.
not any benefits necessarily, i've just never had the opportunity of doing them with with good people i guess.
i've only ever experimented with them alone. that's my only experience with them, so i just have no basis to judge how it's like any other way.
but i will say that i've always been a pretty introspective person to begin with. since experimenting with drugs, that's more than quadrupled and by this point i only ever live in thought.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Envix]
#22339302 - 10/06/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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which is ironic/funny because i think the reason most people take these things is to free themselves of thought. i'm just an obsessive person and love to contemplate and ponder. i can dig deepest when i cut off distractions such as sensory input and allow my body to vanish into the void while i transform into a stream of pure information
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Envix] 1
#22339332 - 10/06/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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this thread is misleading. This isnt about drugs this is about psychedelics.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks] 2
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SaltyPeaks said: Thanks for the response, a dialogue is definitely what I am looking for. I want to know the benefits of, for example, tripping solo or tripping inside? What type of trip do you find when you do indoors or go solo? In my mind, which is inexperienced in both of those obviously, I always assume being with good friends in nature is a guaranteed good feeling trip and only enhanced.
A dark room, a comfy bed, and friends nearby in the living room or their own beds have great benefits to me generally.
We trip together until the peak becomes too high. Then we retreat to our own private space for the inward trip, the dream stage. The point of this is sensory deprivation. This is not the same as loneliness or boredom. It means to allow the brain to start generating it's own impressions, instead of it being lead by impressions from outside.
Turing inward can be a great exploration, unlike any real material place to go to, and unlike any social setting, however friendly and loving. The inward trip has much to give and teach, and opens up a universe of its own. Perhaps if you are inexperienced in this then you may not see the appeal in such a description. But believe me, for those of us who have been there, it has it's attractions.
For me personally, there is always a moment when I turn outward again. Back to that social setting with one or more loved ones. Finally when everyone is back we all relate stories of where we have been, what we have seen, what we have learned or have been revealed. There is always this moment to connect again. Without this, for me, the experience would be incomplete.
So you see, I do think we have quite a lot in common. It's just perhaps for me the experience needs to have both the inward and outward aspects for it to be complete.
And of course there are always variations. Times when we hardly go inward, and just walk in the woods at night. Or times when it's just two of us, silently on our couches, in awe and worship of the inner trip.
Explore!
Love, Hanz.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Northerner]
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One experience that would forever open and positively change one individual might forever destroy another. Psychs aren't like other drugs where you can draw a line in the sand and say that is too far, because they are different for every individual, and for each individual they are different through age and mindset too.
Thanks for your input. I'm trying to be open-minded and somewhat agree that there is no 'set in stone' right way to do psychs. But at the same time I think when it comes to getting laws changed or even just the stigma against them to change there has to be some standards. 90% of the community is smart about tripping, if not more, but it is the other fraction of users that get the media attention.
I wonder if this community was more harsh in response to the trip reports of people doing dumb things that it might make people think twice and less inclined to try them.
As far as having tons of experience obviously, what are your favorite ways to trip, or if you think they all have their benefits what are some of those? Specifically indoors and and frequent dosing?
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Ezuma]
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Alright so it seems like the indoor benefits for you is to be in a safe environment. Makes sense. I think one reason I've never felt safer inside then out was growing up working and playing pretty much exclusively outside in Alaska. In my mind I feel like it takes a smaller dose outside to get real far out, as I've always found nature trippy to begin with! I've taken medium doses literally 100+ miles from the nearest man made structure, for me that made the medium dose all that more wild. I think to reach that mind space indoors in a super controlled environment would take a significantly larger dose, might try some day though. My major point I'm trying to get across is why take a larger dose in a less than ideal set/setting, if for nothing else than not being wasteful, when you can just put in a little more effort prior to make the set and setting perfect guaranteeing a good trip, which I really think can be just as profound on a smaller, and safer dose?
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Envix]
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Envix said: which is ironic/funny because i think the reason most people take these things is to free themselves of thought. i'm just an obsessive person and love to contemplate and ponder. i can dig deepest when i cut off distractions such as sensory input and allow my body to vanish into the void while i transform into a stream of pure information
Dang, you might be all to far out for me haha! I would argue though that being around only enhances the trip, even introspectively, as long as they are the right kind of people. I don't think anyone can argue that as a species we have evolved to be a social animal. Our ability to share the feelings of others, empathy, is one of our greatest tools. If you are with others that bring good vibes to a trip I think they compound and enhance the experience. Personally my empathy is real strong when tripping, without words or normal contact with others, I've felt their good vibes and it only added to mine. But in your case it sounds like you haven't found those friends yet. I think you should, like I said in other posts a little bit of effort prior to tripping can transform low dose trips into the ones that change you forever. And if finding some chill people that you can connect to is the problem I don't think the solution is solo tripping.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: kakashi68]
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kakashi68 said: this thread is misleading. This isnt about drugs this is about psychedelics.
Sorry you think that, but it is about all drugs. I'm still interested in any drug experience, even if most of the discussion is about psychs. Some of my original points might be less important when applied to other substances, but I think a lot of them still pertain to most.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22340883 - 10/06/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no STAL, invalid poll.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Hanz]
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SaltyPeaks said: Thanks for the response, a dialogue is definitely what I am looking for. I want to know the benefits of, for example, tripping solo or tripping inside? What type of trip do you find when you do indoors or go solo? In my mind, which is inexperienced in both of those obviously, I always assume being with good friends in nature is a guaranteed good feeling trip and only enhanced.
A dark room, a comfy bed, and friends nearby in the living room or their own beds have great benefits to me generally.
We trip together until the peak becomes too high. Then we retreat to our own private space for the inward trip, the dream stage. The point of this is sensory deprivation. This is not the same as loneliness or boredom. It means to allow the brain to start generating it's own impressions, instead of it being lead by impressions from outside.
Turing inward can be a great exploration, unlike any real material place to go to, and unlike any social setting, however friendly and loving. The inward trip has much to give and teach, and opens up a universe of its own. Perhaps if you are inexperienced in this then you may not see the appeal in such a description. But believe me, for those of us who have been there, it has it's attractions.
For me personally, there is always a moment when I turn outward again. Back to that social setting with one or more loved ones. Finally when everyone is back we all relate stories of where we have been, what we have seen, what we have learned or have been revealed. There is always this moment to connect again. Without this, for me, the experience would be incomplete.
So you see, I do think we have quite a lot in common. It's just perhaps for me the experience needs to have both the inward and outward aspects for it to be complete.
And of course there are always variations. Times when we hardly go inward, and just walk in the woods at night. Or times when it's just two of us, silently on our couches, in awe and worship of the inner trip.
Explore!
Love, Hanz.
The more we discuss the more common ground is apparent to me. I definitely think that time for introspection is required for a complete trip. When tripping my buddies and I never discuss what is happening during the trip or how we feel, sometimes not even for weeks. I think it comes down to the same point I was making in another post about empathy without words or interaction with others in the classical sense. I think others add to the experience because the mood and vibes they bring with them, and for me they always bring a good mind to the trip only enhancing it for me. That doesn't mean I haven't crawled into a sleeping bag and closed my eyes during the peak well my buddy was off soaking his feet or laying under a tree. This type of physical alone time, but in the presence of others we obviously agree is good.
As far as being inside vs out, it seems to be an issue of comfort and safety. I mentioned in another post that I feel at my safest and most comfortable outdoors, and to me it allows an enhanced connected-ness with the world, nothing like literally sticking your finder in dirt well peaking to feel one with everything !
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#22340914 - 10/06/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mr.PhilCybin said: no STAL, invalid poll.
It was kinda a joke poll more than anything. But what I'm looking for is discussion so if none of those options are viable to you I don't see any discussion coming from it.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
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Ok, and reading about your background also makes it clearer to me. Being outside is in your very nature. So of course that is where you like to trip.
And it's the same for me. I also trip where my nature takes me. Only for me, that happens to be inside. As a kid, I always preferred the library to the football field. Not saying one is better than the other. Just saying this is how things turned out for me.
I am a social animal however. So I never trip alone. But that just means that people who are perhaps comfortable being solo prefer tripping that way too.
Finally, what I do know for sure is that for me, being outside and engaging with people makes me need a higher dose. And for me, investing in the trip so that I need a smaller dose for equal or more effect means withdrawing into silence and darkness, meditating, and keeping others at a distance. So, there is some difference between us, but that's ok, it's just a difference in how we process our impressions.
Love, Hanz.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22341174 - 10/06/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I've had a wide and varied tripping career over more than 20 years OP. I have tripped inside, outside, alone, in crowds, small groups, nightclubs, megadoses, microdoses, bi-weekly, annually, cocktail combos, after fasting, drunk... you name it I have probably tried it tripping. The reality is (in my eyes) that there is no right or wrong. There's different levels of risk, but that is all.
One experience that would forever open and positively change one individual might forever destroy another. Psychs aren't like other drugs where you can draw a line in the sand and say that is too far, because they are different for every individual, and for each individual they are different through age and mindset too.
Thanks for your input. I'm trying to be open-minded and somewhat agree that there is no 'set in stone' right way to do psychs. But at the same time I think when it comes to getting laws changed or even just the stigma against them to change there has to be some standards. 90% of the community is smart about tripping, if not more, but it is the other fraction of users that get the media attention.
I wonder if this community was more harsh in response to the trip reports of people doing dumb things that it might make people think twice and less inclined to try them.
As far as having tons of experience obviously, what are your favorite ways to trip, or if you think they all have their benefits what are some of those? Specifically indoors and and frequent dosing?
I'm not sure that being harsh on people who are doing risky things with psychs would be the right response here, the rest of the world is there to do that for us. Most of us have no moral leg to stand on and all we'd do is push away those people who are going to do that crazy shit anyway.
Personally I like med-high level doses (4-5g mushies or 150-200ug L) once or twice a year. I like to find a natural setting and take this alone. For me it provides much insight and reconnection with my creativity and empathy. I've got a big 4WD van and I'll drive out somewhere totally isolated and set up a fire and take music, food and drink. I start my trip late arvo and then when I'm tired jump in the back of the van to sleep. The only safety rules I put in place for myself is never to lose sight of the fire at night or start the vehicle. Sometimes the experiences are difficult, sometimes they are euphoric, sometimes transformative... but always eye opening and head cleaning.
Inside and frequent dosing are the other side, they give a completely different type of experience. As your tolerance goes up you can handle greater doses in one hit but the effects seem to blend together throughout the week for me and put my mind on a different level at all times. I can only see that in hindsight, at the time it's hard to perceive what's actually happening to me with any clarity. When I did psychs like this it was highly social for me. Small to large groups in any setting that took my fancy. Fascination with objects and social groups, music, games and movies were my objective. I always avoided watching fractals too much or allowing myself to introvert whilst tripping. Sex was always a bonus, but I would be happy with just a good party and dancing until my legs ached. With this sort of tripping is when I'd become more likely to redose or take heroic doses, which because of setting could be pretty risky. Fortunately I always had good friends who saved me if I was ever in danger, and I've saved more than one of them on occasions also. For me the threshold of frequent dosing is about a year and it takes another 6 months after that before I hit my baseline mentally again. Of course it's years after that that I can actually perceive where I was with any clarity. I have friends who have gone too far though and have kept frequent dosing past the 2 year mark. Unfortunately there's nothing I can do for them though. They know what they are doing is wrong and is hurting them but they are too scared/stupid/fried to come back. It's a bit ugly to see your friends like that, just another thing in life to forgive.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Northerner]
#22341527 - 10/06/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really liking the insight you and other more experienced users are giving me, thanks!
I am coming from a completely different place then a lot of posters here is what I've concluded. I've always looked at psychs as a way to enhance my mental aptitude and improve myself, never as a lifestyle or entertainment even if I've been entertained well using them. My real concern is for people that become burn outs, fried, or mentally damaged in any way from either high doses, or bad trips. I don't want there to be fear mongering,but I do think it is irresponsible even for the heaviest users that have never had issues to condone levels of use that could lead to problems. Also as far as your dosing, 150ug-200ug is a good size dose in my book, but even of some weak blotter (50ug) that's only 4 hits. You ought to go check some trip reports, many people are taking 10 strips and going out to parties, so even if those are week blotter that's 500ug. That is more of the type of person I was referring to in my original post.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22341574 - 10/06/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just did a quick edit in my OP, includes some examples of trip reports from page one of the forum if you're at all interested in the kind of stuff I was ranting about.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22341758 - 10/06/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'm curious as to why you care so much about how other people make these choices. aside from practical concerns (e.g. people who shouldn't be taking psychedelics taking them) or concerns with safety (e.g. people taking psychedelics in unsafe environments or unsafe ways), it doesn't seem to matter.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy]
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millzy said: i'm curious as to why you care so much about how other people make these choices. aside from practical concerns (e.g. people who shouldn't be taking psychedelics taking them) or concerns with safety (e.g. people taking psychedelics in unsafe environments or unsafe ways), it doesn't seem to matter.
I think the reasons you stated are more than enough. But beyond that I wrote it because I truly felt as if the people in the reports had missed a great opportunity, and I wanted to tell them in my opinion a better way. Now that does sound pretty pretentious, I know, but that is why I made it clear it was an opinion and that I did want to hear the other side, see what their reason were. I like discussion and debate, I like challenging my beliefs and find the best way to do that is put them out there and see what the other side has to say.
Already I am way more open to solo tripping and being indoors reading the posts talking about them, still probably won't try them in the near future but definitely understand the reasons for them more.
In the end it is a even mix of wanting to have a dialogue and wanting to prevent bad/irresponsible use of psychs.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
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putting irresponsible usage aside, some people do things a certain way and others do it another way. there's nothing to debate when it comes to matters of taste because there is no disagreement.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy]
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millzy said: putting irresponsible usage aside, some people do things a certain way and others do it another way. there's nothing to debate when it comes to matters of taste because there is no disagreement.
I don't know, I think there is something to be discussed here. Most effective way, most safe, most guaranteed for a good time, these things are objective in some ways I think. I totally understand that in the end people will do whatever they do, I don't have an issue with that. I just want to talk about it really.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
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Ezuma said: If I want good times, which usually I do to some degree, I want friends around. Not many. There are a small group of people I'm comfortable with in most any situation, and I can really be myself around. One of those guys went a bit psychotic though so... no more tripping with him for a while sadly. As for inside, I think, if I took a high dose, being inside would possibly be a good idea. If your visuals are intense the physical setting doesn't matter as much anyway. I haven't done much solo tripping, but I would like to. I see the benefit there of being more geared towards transcendental/exploratory trips and higher doses.
Alright so it seems like the indoor benefits for you is to be in a safe environment. Makes sense. I think one reason I've never felt safer inside then out was growing up working and playing pretty much exclusively outside in Alaska. In my mind I feel like it takes a smaller dose outside to get real far out, as I've always found nature trippy to begin with! I've taken medium doses literally 100 miles from the nearest man made structure, for me that made the medium dose all that more wild. I think to reach that mind space indoors in a super controlled environment would take a significantly larger dose, might try some day though. My major point I'm trying to get across is why take a larger dose in a less than ideal set/setting, if for nothing else than not being wasteful, when you can just put in a little more effort prior to make the set and setting perfect guaranteeing a good trip, which I really think can be just as profound on a smaller, and safer dose?
I prefer nature, but inside is often easier,especially if its in any way cold out. However, I find it much easier to relax and have a 'good' trip outside. for me its almost like houses accumulate emotions and are designed with human neurosis and hangups enmeshed in their structure and layout... so you can catch bad vibes off of them ya know?
For me inside is mostly a practical thing rather than a nice place to be, if I'm too messed up to trust my decision making around cliffs or water or anything
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
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SaltyPeaks said: Really liking the insight you and other more experienced users are giving me, thanks!
I am coming from a completely different place then a lot of posters here is what I've concluded. I've always looked at psychs as a way to enhance my mental aptitude and improve myself, never as a lifestyle or entertainment even if I've been entertained well using them. My real concern is for people that become burn outs, fried, or mentally damaged in any way from either high doses, or bad trips. I don't want there to be fear mongering,but I do think it is irresponsible even for the heaviest users that have never had issues to condone levels of use that could lead to problems. Also as far as your dosing, 150ug-200ug is a good size dose in my book, but even of some weak blotter (50ug) that's only 4 hits. You ought to go check some trip reports, many people are taking 10 strips and going out to parties, so even if those are week blotter that's 500ug. That is more of the type of person I was referring to in my original post.
Any level of psych use can lead to problems, they are not safe for unsafe minds... that's all there is to it.
People who are eating 10 strips are obviously regular users and anyone who eats that many with 0 tolerance are either completely naive or plain old stupid. Darwinian theory in action.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Northerner]
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OP, I may not disagree with some details of the post, but I definitely disagree with the entire premise of it.
Who the fuck are you to tell people how to do their drugs?
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Northerner]
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SaltyPeaks said: Really liking the insight you and other more experienced users are giving me, thanks!
I am coming from a completely different place then a lot of posters here is what I've concluded. I've always looked at psychs as a way to enhance my mental aptitude and improve myself, never as a lifestyle or entertainment even if I've been entertained well using them. My real concern is for people that become burn outs, fried, or mentally damaged in any way from either high doses, or bad trips. I don't want there to be fear mongering,but I do think it is irresponsible even for the heaviest users that have never had issues to condone levels of use that could lead to problems. Also as far as your dosing, 150ug-200ug is a good size dose in my book, but even of some weak blotter (50ug) that's only 4 hits. You ought to go check some trip reports, many people are taking 10 strips and going out to parties, so even if those are week blotter that's 500ug. That is more of the type of person I was referring to in my original post.
Any level of psych use can lead to problems, they are not safe for unsafe minds... that's all there is to it.
People who are eating 10 strips are obviously regular users and anyone who eats that many with 0 tolerance are either completely naive or plain old stupid. Darwinian theory in action.
Worry about yourself and your friends mate, people who worry about the world invariably get wet feet as the wind is blowing against them.
I agree that an unstable mind is liable for a bad experience at low doses, I stated that in the OP. And the people doing large doses aren't regulars, or of stable mind. One of the example reports I gave was of some chick who said she KNEW she had PTSD and still took like 5g drie cubes first time.
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: OP, I may not disagree with some details of the post, but I definitely disagree with the entire premise of it.
Who the fuck are you to tell people how to do their drugs?
Thank for the reply, but I think you're missing the point of the thread. The title does include "How to do drugs", I realize this sounds preachy, but then it also includes "How do YOU do them?" I wanted it to explain that, first I was going to give my opinion on the best way to do them and some of the problems I see when not done in this way. Then I wanted others to give their opinion so we could chat about it.
I really never had the intention posting this that any of the people I spoke about in the OP will ever read this thread. All I want is to discuss the topic, and maybe as a side effect of that some people would change their mind, I know I have.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22344262 - 10/07/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sometimes its nice to just stay home, with or without friends and just trip, listen to music, draw or whatever you want to.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22344290 - 10/07/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SaltyPeaks said: I agree that an unstable mind is liable for a bad experience at low doses, I stated that in the OP. And the people doing large doses aren't regulars, or of stable mind. One of the example reports I gave was of some chick who said she KNEW she had PTSD and still took like 5g drie cubes first time.
If it wasn't high doses of mushies she would have been huffing glue, smoking golf balls of crack or something equally as stupid.
I like that these people come on here and share their fucked up stories. It invariably makes me feel better about myself.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Northerner]
#22344759 - 10/07/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I like that these people come on here and share their fucked up stories. It invariably makes me feel better about myself. 
Haha, I have to agree with this!
Hanz.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Hanz]
#22345148 - 10/07/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You seem very down on tripping on your own, which I don't understand. My first drug experience was a trip back in 1973 that was on pink double dome LSD. After waiting hours with my friend and feeling nothing I gave up and went home only then to discover it was coming on after all. I left before my parents got to wondering and spent the rest of the evening outside in the woods by myself. It was awesome and from that time on I've felt more comfortable on my own than with other trippers. I find I can't relate to what they are feeling and saying and it is but a distraction to my own place in time and space. In addition the only bad trip I've ever had was caused by a buddy who decided he was too high and needed medical help. When you are as high as a kite try explaining to the hospital staff that you're just fine it's just your buddy who needs help, it dosen't work. As far as going outside well I like to let the trip take me where it wants to go. I like the outdoors better than in doors but all I'm saying is if you are happy where you are then all the more power to you. Finally when it comes to dosages and people who like to push it, been there and done that. In all things too much of a good thing and all, but it really is a personal decision how far you are willing to push any activity and pushing usually increases the danger but for some that is what they are looking for. I wouldn't fault them for that.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22345326 - 10/07/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: OP, I may not disagree with some details of the post, but I definitely disagree with the entire premise of it.
Who the fuck are you to tell people how to do their drugs?
Thank for the reply, but I think you're missing the point of the thread. The title does include "How to do drugs", I realize this sounds preachy, but then it also includes "How do YOU do them?" I wanted it to explain that, first I was going to give my opinion on the best way to do them and some of the problems I see when not done in this way. Then I wanted others to give their opinion so we could chat about it.
I really never had the intention posting this that any of the people I spoke about in the OP will ever read this thread. All I want is to discuss the topic, and maybe as a side effect of that some people would change their mind, I know I have.
My funnest times have been on small doses, inside. Does that take away from the fact that I've been taking mushrooms for eight years?
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My funnest times have been on small doses, inside. Does that take away from the fact that I've been taking mushrooms for eight years?
it means you're not a real shaman brah.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy] 1
#22346674 - 10/07/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said:
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My funnest times have been on small doses, inside. Does that take away from the fact that I've been taking mushrooms for eight years?
it means you're not a real shaman brah.

Gotta Grip N Sip fam
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy]
#22346874 - 10/07/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My funnest times have been on small doses, inside. Does that take away from the fact that I've been taking mushrooms for eight years?
it means you're not a real shaman brah.

Oh noez!
I guess I'll just have to take Mushrooms for fun . . . like some kind of savage.
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