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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Envix]
#22338969 - 10/05/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Elaborate a bit man! I'm interested in why. And what benefits going it alone do you think there are? Thanks for the response.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Envix]
#22338973 - 10/05/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had a wide and varied tripping career over more than 20 years OP. I have tripped inside, outside, alone, in crowds, small groups, nightclubs, megadoses, microdoses, bi-weekly, annually, cocktail combos, after fasting, drunk... you name it I have probably tried it tripping. The reality is (in my eyes) that there is no right or wrong. There's different levels of risk, but that is all.
One experience that would forever open and positively change one individual might forever destroy another. Psychs aren't like other drugs where you can draw a line in the sand and say that is too far, because they are different for every individual, and for each individual they are different through age and mindset too.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22338975 - 10/05/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I want good times, which usually I do to some degree, I want friends around. Not many. There are a small group of people I'm comfortable with in most any situation, and I can really be myself around. One of those guys went a bit psychotic though so... no more tripping with him for a while sadly. As for inside, I think, if I took a high dose, being inside would possibly be a good idea. If your visuals are intense the physical setting doesn't matter as much anyway. I haven't done much solo tripping, but I would like to. I see the benefit there of being more geared towards transcendental/exploratory trips and higher doses.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22339285 - 10/06/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Envix said: alone
Elaborate a bit man! I'm interested in why. And what benefits going it alone do you think there are? Thanks for the response.
not any benefits necessarily, i've just never had the opportunity of doing them with with good people i guess.
i've only ever experimented with them alone. that's my only experience with them, so i just have no basis to judge how it's like any other way.
but i will say that i've always been a pretty introspective person to begin with. since experimenting with drugs, that's more than quadrupled and by this point i only ever live in thought.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Envix]
#22339302 - 10/06/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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which is ironic/funny because i think the reason most people take these things is to free themselves of thought. i'm just an obsessive person and love to contemplate and ponder. i can dig deepest when i cut off distractions such as sensory input and allow my body to vanish into the void while i transform into a stream of pure information
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Envix] 1
#22339332 - 10/06/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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this thread is misleading. This isnt about drugs this is about psychedelics.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks] 2
#22339994 - 10/06/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SaltyPeaks said: Thanks for the response, a dialogue is definitely what I am looking for. I want to know the benefits of, for example, tripping solo or tripping inside? What type of trip do you find when you do indoors or go solo? In my mind, which is inexperienced in both of those obviously, I always assume being with good friends in nature is a guaranteed good feeling trip and only enhanced.
A dark room, a comfy bed, and friends nearby in the living room or their own beds have great benefits to me generally.
We trip together until the peak becomes too high. Then we retreat to our own private space for the inward trip, the dream stage. The point of this is sensory deprivation. This is not the same as loneliness or boredom. It means to allow the brain to start generating it's own impressions, instead of it being lead by impressions from outside.
Turing inward can be a great exploration, unlike any real material place to go to, and unlike any social setting, however friendly and loving. The inward trip has much to give and teach, and opens up a universe of its own. Perhaps if you are inexperienced in this then you may not see the appeal in such a description. But believe me, for those of us who have been there, it has it's attractions.
For me personally, there is always a moment when I turn outward again. Back to that social setting with one or more loved ones. Finally when everyone is back we all relate stories of where we have been, what we have seen, what we have learned or have been revealed. There is always this moment to connect again. Without this, for me, the experience would be incomplete.
So you see, I do think we have quite a lot in common. It's just perhaps for me the experience needs to have both the inward and outward aspects for it to be complete.
And of course there are always variations. Times when we hardly go inward, and just walk in the woods at night. Or times when it's just two of us, silently on our couches, in awe and worship of the inner trip.
Explore!
Love, Hanz.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Northerner]
#22340728 - 10/06/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I've had a wide and varied tripping career over more than 20 years OP. I have tripped inside, outside, alone, in crowds, small groups, nightclubs, megadoses, microdoses, bi-weekly, annually, cocktail combos, after fasting, drunk... you name it I have probably tried it tripping. The reality is (in my eyes) that there is no right or wrong. There's different levels of risk, but that is all.
One experience that would forever open and positively change one individual might forever destroy another. Psychs aren't like other drugs where you can draw a line in the sand and say that is too far, because they are different for every individual, and for each individual they are different through age and mindset too.
Thanks for your input. I'm trying to be open-minded and somewhat agree that there is no 'set in stone' right way to do psychs. But at the same time I think when it comes to getting laws changed or even just the stigma against them to change there has to be some standards. 90% of the community is smart about tripping, if not more, but it is the other fraction of users that get the media attention.
I wonder if this community was more harsh in response to the trip reports of people doing dumb things that it might make people think twice and less inclined to try them.
As far as having tons of experience obviously, what are your favorite ways to trip, or if you think they all have their benefits what are some of those? Specifically indoors and and frequent dosing?
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Ezuma]
#22340803 - 10/06/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: If I want good times, which usually I do to some degree, I want friends around. Not many. There are a small group of people I'm comfortable with in most any situation, and I can really be myself around. One of those guys went a bit psychotic though so... no more tripping with him for a while sadly. As for inside, I think, if I took a high dose, being inside would possibly be a good idea. If your visuals are intense the physical setting doesn't matter as much anyway. I haven't done much solo tripping, but I would like to. I see the benefit there of being more geared towards transcendental/exploratory trips and higher doses.
Alright so it seems like the indoor benefits for you is to be in a safe environment. Makes sense. I think one reason I've never felt safer inside then out was growing up working and playing pretty much exclusively outside in Alaska. In my mind I feel like it takes a smaller dose outside to get real far out, as I've always found nature trippy to begin with! I've taken medium doses literally 100+ miles from the nearest man made structure, for me that made the medium dose all that more wild. I think to reach that mind space indoors in a super controlled environment would take a significantly larger dose, might try some day though. My major point I'm trying to get across is why take a larger dose in a less than ideal set/setting, if for nothing else than not being wasteful, when you can just put in a little more effort prior to make the set and setting perfect guaranteeing a good trip, which I really think can be just as profound on a smaller, and safer dose?
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Envix]
#22340851 - 10/06/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Envix said: which is ironic/funny because i think the reason most people take these things is to free themselves of thought. i'm just an obsessive person and love to contemplate and ponder. i can dig deepest when i cut off distractions such as sensory input and allow my body to vanish into the void while i transform into a stream of pure information
Dang, you might be all to far out for me haha! I would argue though that being around only enhances the trip, even introspectively, as long as they are the right kind of people. I don't think anyone can argue that as a species we have evolved to be a social animal. Our ability to share the feelings of others, empathy, is one of our greatest tools. If you are with others that bring good vibes to a trip I think they compound and enhance the experience. Personally my empathy is real strong when tripping, without words or normal contact with others, I've felt their good vibes and it only added to mine. But in your case it sounds like you haven't found those friends yet. I think you should, like I said in other posts a little bit of effort prior to tripping can transform low dose trips into the ones that change you forever. And if finding some chill people that you can connect to is the problem I don't think the solution is solo tripping.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: kakashi68]
#22340862 - 10/06/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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kakashi68 said: this thread is misleading. This isnt about drugs this is about psychedelics.
Sorry you think that, but it is about all drugs. I'm still interested in any drug experience, even if most of the discussion is about psychs. Some of my original points might be less important when applied to other substances, but I think a lot of them still pertain to most.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22340883 - 10/06/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no STAL, invalid poll.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Hanz]
#22340906 - 10/06/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SaltyPeaks said: Thanks for the response, a dialogue is definitely what I am looking for. I want to know the benefits of, for example, tripping solo or tripping inside? What type of trip do you find when you do indoors or go solo? In my mind, which is inexperienced in both of those obviously, I always assume being with good friends in nature is a guaranteed good feeling trip and only enhanced.
A dark room, a comfy bed, and friends nearby in the living room or their own beds have great benefits to me generally.
We trip together until the peak becomes too high. Then we retreat to our own private space for the inward trip, the dream stage. The point of this is sensory deprivation. This is not the same as loneliness or boredom. It means to allow the brain to start generating it's own impressions, instead of it being lead by impressions from outside.
Turing inward can be a great exploration, unlike any real material place to go to, and unlike any social setting, however friendly and loving. The inward trip has much to give and teach, and opens up a universe of its own. Perhaps if you are inexperienced in this then you may not see the appeal in such a description. But believe me, for those of us who have been there, it has it's attractions.
For me personally, there is always a moment when I turn outward again. Back to that social setting with one or more loved ones. Finally when everyone is back we all relate stories of where we have been, what we have seen, what we have learned or have been revealed. There is always this moment to connect again. Without this, for me, the experience would be incomplete.
So you see, I do think we have quite a lot in common. It's just perhaps for me the experience needs to have both the inward and outward aspects for it to be complete.
And of course there are always variations. Times when we hardly go inward, and just walk in the woods at night. Or times when it's just two of us, silently on our couches, in awe and worship of the inner trip.
Explore!
Love, Hanz.
The more we discuss the more common ground is apparent to me. I definitely think that time for introspection is required for a complete trip. When tripping my buddies and I never discuss what is happening during the trip or how we feel, sometimes not even for weeks. I think it comes down to the same point I was making in another post about empathy without words or interaction with others in the classical sense. I think others add to the experience because the mood and vibes they bring with them, and for me they always bring a good mind to the trip only enhancing it for me. That doesn't mean I haven't crawled into a sleeping bag and closed my eyes during the peak well my buddy was off soaking his feet or laying under a tree. This type of physical alone time, but in the presence of others we obviously agree is good.
As far as being inside vs out, it seems to be an issue of comfort and safety. I mentioned in another post that I feel at my safest and most comfortable outdoors, and to me it allows an enhanced connected-ness with the world, nothing like literally sticking your finder in dirt well peaking to feel one with everything !
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#22340914 - 10/06/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mr.PhilCybin said: no STAL, invalid poll.
It was kinda a joke poll more than anything. But what I'm looking for is discussion so if none of those options are viable to you I don't see any discussion coming from it.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22341055 - 10/06/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, and reading about your background also makes it clearer to me. Being outside is in your very nature. So of course that is where you like to trip.
And it's the same for me. I also trip where my nature takes me. Only for me, that happens to be inside. As a kid, I always preferred the library to the football field. Not saying one is better than the other. Just saying this is how things turned out for me.
I am a social animal however. So I never trip alone. But that just means that people who are perhaps comfortable being solo prefer tripping that way too.
Finally, what I do know for sure is that for me, being outside and engaging with people makes me need a higher dose. And for me, investing in the trip so that I need a smaller dose for equal or more effect means withdrawing into silence and darkness, meditating, and keeping others at a distance. So, there is some difference between us, but that's ok, it's just a difference in how we process our impressions.
Love, Hanz.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22341174 - 10/06/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I've had a wide and varied tripping career over more than 20 years OP. I have tripped inside, outside, alone, in crowds, small groups, nightclubs, megadoses, microdoses, bi-weekly, annually, cocktail combos, after fasting, drunk... you name it I have probably tried it tripping. The reality is (in my eyes) that there is no right or wrong. There's different levels of risk, but that is all.
One experience that would forever open and positively change one individual might forever destroy another. Psychs aren't like other drugs where you can draw a line in the sand and say that is too far, because they are different for every individual, and for each individual they are different through age and mindset too.
Thanks for your input. I'm trying to be open-minded and somewhat agree that there is no 'set in stone' right way to do psychs. But at the same time I think when it comes to getting laws changed or even just the stigma against them to change there has to be some standards. 90% of the community is smart about tripping, if not more, but it is the other fraction of users that get the media attention.
I wonder if this community was more harsh in response to the trip reports of people doing dumb things that it might make people think twice and less inclined to try them.
As far as having tons of experience obviously, what are your favorite ways to trip, or if you think they all have their benefits what are some of those? Specifically indoors and and frequent dosing?
I'm not sure that being harsh on people who are doing risky things with psychs would be the right response here, the rest of the world is there to do that for us. Most of us have no moral leg to stand on and all we'd do is push away those people who are going to do that crazy shit anyway.
Personally I like med-high level doses (4-5g mushies or 150-200ug L) once or twice a year. I like to find a natural setting and take this alone. For me it provides much insight and reconnection with my creativity and empathy. I've got a big 4WD van and I'll drive out somewhere totally isolated and set up a fire and take music, food and drink. I start my trip late arvo and then when I'm tired jump in the back of the van to sleep. The only safety rules I put in place for myself is never to lose sight of the fire at night or start the vehicle. Sometimes the experiences are difficult, sometimes they are euphoric, sometimes transformative... but always eye opening and head cleaning.
Inside and frequent dosing are the other side, they give a completely different type of experience. As your tolerance goes up you can handle greater doses in one hit but the effects seem to blend together throughout the week for me and put my mind on a different level at all times. I can only see that in hindsight, at the time it's hard to perceive what's actually happening to me with any clarity. When I did psychs like this it was highly social for me. Small to large groups in any setting that took my fancy. Fascination with objects and social groups, music, games and movies were my objective. I always avoided watching fractals too much or allowing myself to introvert whilst tripping. Sex was always a bonus, but I would be happy with just a good party and dancing until my legs ached. With this sort of tripping is when I'd become more likely to redose or take heroic doses, which because of setting could be pretty risky. Fortunately I always had good friends who saved me if I was ever in danger, and I've saved more than one of them on occasions also. For me the threshold of frequent dosing is about a year and it takes another 6 months after that before I hit my baseline mentally again. Of course it's years after that that I can actually perceive where I was with any clarity. I have friends who have gone too far though and have kept frequent dosing past the 2 year mark. Unfortunately there's nothing I can do for them though. They know what they are doing is wrong and is hurting them but they are too scared/stupid/fried to come back. It's a bit ugly to see your friends like that, just another thing in life to forgive.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Northerner]
#22341527 - 10/06/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really liking the insight you and other more experienced users are giving me, thanks!
I am coming from a completely different place then a lot of posters here is what I've concluded. I've always looked at psychs as a way to enhance my mental aptitude and improve myself, never as a lifestyle or entertainment even if I've been entertained well using them. My real concern is for people that become burn outs, fried, or mentally damaged in any way from either high doses, or bad trips. I don't want there to be fear mongering,but I do think it is irresponsible even for the heaviest users that have never had issues to condone levels of use that could lead to problems. Also as far as your dosing, 150ug-200ug is a good size dose in my book, but even of some weak blotter (50ug) that's only 4 hits. You ought to go check some trip reports, many people are taking 10 strips and going out to parties, so even if those are week blotter that's 500ug. That is more of the type of person I was referring to in my original post.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22341574 - 10/06/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just did a quick edit in my OP, includes some examples of trip reports from page one of the forum if you're at all interested in the kind of stuff I was ranting about.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
#22341758 - 10/06/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'm curious as to why you care so much about how other people make these choices. aside from practical concerns (e.g. people who shouldn't be taking psychedelics taking them) or concerns with safety (e.g. people taking psychedelics in unsafe environments or unsafe ways), it doesn't seem to matter.
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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy]
#22341807 - 10/06/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said: i'm curious as to why you care so much about how other people make these choices. aside from practical concerns (e.g. people who shouldn't be taking psychedelics taking them) or concerns with safety (e.g. people taking psychedelics in unsafe environments or unsafe ways), it doesn't seem to matter.
I think the reasons you stated are more than enough. But beyond that I wrote it because I truly felt as if the people in the reports had missed a great opportunity, and I wanted to tell them in my opinion a better way. Now that does sound pretty pretentious, I know, but that is why I made it clear it was an opinion and that I did want to hear the other side, see what their reason were. I like discussion and debate, I like challenging my beliefs and find the best way to do that is put them out there and see what the other side has to say.
Already I am way more open to solo tripping and being indoors reading the posts talking about them, still probably won't try them in the near future but definitely understand the reasons for them more.
In the end it is a even mix of wanting to have a dialogue and wanting to prevent bad/irresponsible use of psychs.
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I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant, I felt very, very small... -Neil Armstrong
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