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How to do drugs, how do YOU do them?
    #22336812 - 10/05/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Right off the bat let me just state that this is a singular opinion post, and should be taken as such.

I have been reading a good amount of trip reports recently and am honestly confused and somewhat disenchanted from many of them. A large proportion of the reports are in set and settings I find repulsive. The most confusing to me is the very common solo high dosage trip alone in their bedroom. This sounds absolutely awful to me. The other main one is when people attempt heroic doses in some kind of 'quest' in becoming king of fucked-up-landia. Or the reports of people that nonchalantly trip 12+ times a year. These both sound awful and misguided to me. All of these to me seem like a short road to a bad trip or a waste of the potential of each trip.

Firstly tripping alone is confusing to me because one of my favorite parts of the experience is connecting with others well using. I love that feeling like you and your trip-mates are on a boat in the middle of the ocean, that you are exploring this new world together. As far as being introspective I have had no issue looking inward in the presence of others, I think that this is just as important to be able to do sober as it is tripping. I don't think it is as nearly important to this point, but there is also the added safety of having others around in case something were to go wrong. In the end it comes down to sharing, sharing is caring, why go it alone when there are those happy to join you? 

My other surprise reading the reports was from the overwhelming amount that took place exclusively inside. GO OUTSIDE PEOPLE! I cannot imagine sitting in some basement or bedroom just tripping. I admittedly had an amazing experience looking at some art indoors tripping, but in short intervals, retreating outside after a few minutes and spending 95%+ of the trip outside. It seems repulsive to me to be in the presence of so much man made stuff well tripping, the only way I can describe it is as 'fake'; a note many people mention is their confusion or disgust with money well tripping, this is how I feel about almost all unnatural items well tripping. Similar to solo tripping I find it very wasteful and less enhancing to stay indoors.

Probably the most disturbing reoccurring theme in a lot of reports is the reason many seem to be using psychedelic substances. It looks to me to be a three way tie between who can do the highest ug/mg/g dosage or in a similar vein just doing a ridiculous dose in hopes of seeing into the great beyond or some BS like that, and thirdly dosing every damn weekend. I think the first one is obviously the most foolish, and I think will more likely than not lead to a big bad nightmare of a trip. This of course doesn't seem to stop anyone from continuing this trend as every other report seems to have a section reserved for the part of the trip where they are on the verge, or do, call 911. Stop being dumb, stop wasting tax dollars, stop being irresponsible and giving these substances a bad name please.

Then there are those that are I guess bored of 'just' tripping, they want to die (figuratively, or literally, idk), or see alah, or gargle the universes balls, I don't know. To me if you can't have a ego death, out of this body and world, 'wow' trip from even a low dose (100ug-200ug LSD, 2-3g Shrooms, etc...) you aren't in the right sober mind-state starting off. If you are really ready, willing and prepared to 'wake up' or have that breakthrough it won't take much to push you off the cliff, certainty not the '4 substance mind fuck mix' that seems to be stupidly common in the reports.

Lastly the poles from the 'how many times do you trip/year' threads. With the option 50-100 times/year poling a solid 10-25% in some threads this scares me. Then there are the below posts of those same people saying shit like, "I only trip on the weekends so I can keep my tolerance low and integrate the experience."...WHAT?!Regardless if you can manage to not build a tolerance tripping so frequently, which I really doubt, then you also integrate it in a week and are ready for more mind fuck? If each trip only gives you a week worth of open-mindedness, connectedness or pleasure for a week before you need another mind fuck you're doing it wrong. A Sunday hike into the mountains, lunch with friends, a engaging book, these are things that you can and should be doing weekly, not blasting your brain up zues' asshole. As with my other issues I just think it's a big ol' waste.

More than anything I would like to discuss with those that have done these things, I WANT to know what I might be missing. Please post you're thoughts, I want to see how YOU do psychedelics and why!

EDIT: Here are a few reports off page 1 of trip reports, these are the type of post I am referring to in my above rant:
20g dried first timer (genius): http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22335455/gonew/1#UNREAD

First timer with PTSD and mixing with Xanax (How dumb can yall get?) :http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22224094

Mix master who falls asleep and can't really remember anything of value (toats worth it mane): http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6045571/gonew/1#UNREAD

Big group, inside, mentally unstable individual (freak case, but still): http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21193309

There are a few more on just page 1 that aren't as extreme, but still include huge or crazy frequent dosing, indoors tripping, or mixing with negative or just 'meh' effects. In my opinion if you want a 'meh' experience go jack off or what a movie, these are some of the strongest substances in the world and the way their doing them results in 'just OK' reports!? 

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It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue,
      was Earth.


I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.   
  I didn't feel like a giant,
      I felt very, very small...

-Neil Armstrong


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks] * 3
    #22336827 - 10/05/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I type the drug im about to ise into shroomery search engine, and read every thread that even mentions it, all the way through to the end.

I also regularly check zombi3s thread to make sure the new drug doesn't have potential for toe loss.


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Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists.

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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #22336840 - 10/05/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Smart, education is definitely key whenever trying a new substance.


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It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue,
      was Earth.


I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.   
  I didn't feel like a giant,
      I felt very, very small...

-Neil Armstrong


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks] * 2
    #22336843 - 10/05/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Solo trips are one of the most peaceful and learning experiences or your life I wouldn't write them so easily.


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I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
    #22336846 - 10/05/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Where's the option for "I didn't read all of that"?

I skimmed. You have an opinion, other people have their own opinion. Personally I think tripping around people sucks. Especially other people tripping. I almost always did it alone. When I'm tripping I just want to be left the fuck alone. I find it highly annoying when I'm trying to take in the experience and someone tripping has to keep talking to me and asking me questions about whatever stupid thought is currently going through their head. No one I have ever tripped with has ever had anything thought provoking or meaningful to say. It's all shit you'd expect a 13 year old to say while smoking weed for the first or second time. A bunch of "what ifs" and sci-fi conspiracy type bullshit.


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22336863 - 10/05/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oddly I completely agree, I too might trip alone if the people I did it with were that annoying. I have only tripped with very close friends who are great at keeping to themselves but also bringing their good energy to the trip.


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It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue,
      was Earth.


I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.   
  I didn't feel like a giant,
      I felt very, very small...

-Neil Armstrong


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
    #22336867 - 10/05/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes and no. People are different. Those that are more introverted may need to be in a more inside environment. Same applies to solo tripping. I never trip solo, but often do trip inside. It's what I need. Different people need different things. It's just that I do not seem to be surprised about it, and you do.

And to a degree the same applies to dosage and frequency. If I can I love to trip 12 times a year. But some years are not that good, and I'm busy. Other years are better, and I really can integrate and go at it again. I do agree that some people I know do not seem to be in very good contact with themselves, and this leads to overdosing. As well as over eating, choosing the wrong lovers, and overspending etc.

Anyway, overall I get your mentality, it's alright. Just don't be so surprised that we are all a little different.

Love, Hanz.


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SpaceDawg]
    #22336869 - 10/05/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Haha, I guess I could add that option. I kinda was hoping for discussion on the topic though and feel like it's important for people to know where the other is coming from and what their asking before responding.


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It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue,
      was Earth.


I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.   
  I didn't feel like a giant,
      I felt very, very small...

-Neil Armstrong


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Hanz]
    #22336913 - 10/05/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Hanz said:
Yes and no. People are different. Those that are more introverted may need to be in a more inside environment. Same applies to solo tripping. I never trip solo, but often do trip inside. It's what I need. Different people need different things. It's just that I do not seem to be surprised about it, and you do.

And to a degree the same applies to dosage and frequency. If I can I love to trip 12 times a year. But some years are not that good, and I'm busy. Other years are better, and I really can integrate and go at it again. I do agree that some people I know do not seem to be in very good contact with themselves, and this leads to overdosing. As well as over eating, choosing the wrong lovers, and overspending etc.

Anyway, overall I get your mentality, it's alright. Just don't be so surprised that we are all a little different.

Love, Hanz.



Thanks for the response. I too test introvert in personality tests, but I find being outside to be more comfortable because I feel more alone, in my own world. As far as dosing once a month I think that is much better than once a week but still I don't understand it. The benefits from a trip can last much longer, a lifetime in fact. I think by using that frequently you'd begin to take for granted the mind enhancing properties, and be doing it just for the endorphins it release making you feel good. I just think too much of any good thing is bad, and when it is something as good as LSD or other psychedelics it doesn't take a lot to be too much.


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It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue,
      was Earth.


I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.   
  I didn't feel like a giant,
      I felt very, very small...

-Neil Armstrong


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
    #22336991 - 10/05/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

True, but again my point is "too much" is not the same absolute measure for all of us. What can seem as a lot to you may seem perfectly within bounds to someone else. This is not such a deep thing at all to realize, isn't it? I get where you're coming from though...

Love, Hanz.


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
    #22336999 - 10/05/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i've been taking psychedelics for over 20 years now. i prefer solo tripping or tripping with a few select friends in private. i don't trip often, maybe three to six times a year at most, but when i do i tend to favor larger (but safe) doses. i do love being outside, but my current living situation prevents it, so when i trip it's mostly indoors.

that being said, keeping things on a small scare has its advantages. with solo tripping, you don't have to worry about other people's bullshit. i tend to only trip with people who don't have bullshit, but if i'm alone i know 100% that the only bullshit i'll have to deal with is my own. i also like being in my home. it's safe, it's private, i can listen to and do exactly what i want to without any concern. and even with other people involved in someone else's home, those rules generally apply as well.

i personally think tripping in public is ill advised under most circumstances.


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy]
    #22337016 - 10/05/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for your response. I definitely agree with the no public tripping. By outside mean out in nature.

Did you always do large doses? Or did you increase over time? I think larger doses are alright if taken in a good mind state and for good reasons, and as you said only a few times a year.


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It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue,
      was Earth.


I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.   
  I didn't feel like a giant,
      I felt very, very small...

-Neil Armstrong


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: SaltyPeaks]
    #22337023 - 10/05/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

nowadays, because i know my limits and what i can handle, i tend to favor larger doses. but i always play it safe and there are certain things i won't do alone. i have always tended to favor larger doses. i guess i'm just not a threshold guy.


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy]
    #22338386 - 10/05/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with you somewhat, op, but to me its not all or nothing. There are different approaches and some of them seem just as valid to me.
I tend to trip with close friends, but I can see some benefit -possibly quite a lot- in tripping alone.
I usually like to be in nature, but sometimes being inside is where its at just a matter of what feels right in the moment.
I don't get the public tripping or the dick-sizing aspects though I'll agree with you there


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Ezuma]
    #22338489 - 10/05/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

some of my best experiences have been solo trips.


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: millzy]
    #22338857 - 10/05/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Generally solo if I intend to consume larger quantities, and smaller doses to supplement live music events or certain public activities (hitting the museums/aquarium/planetarium in Chicago on acid or mushrooms never fails to be :Awemazing:). How often I take stuff honestly depends solely on mood. Sometimes I'll trip a few times in a 2-3 week period and others I'll go for months without even the slightest inclination to take anything. Depends heavily on the substance as well. I'm much more comfortable taking small to medium doses of :mxe: semi-regularly and in public spaces than I am with things like acid or mushrooms, if only because I don't have to worry about not being able to drive myself home or otherwise being too spun.

Heroic dosing simply for the purpose of taking drugs is retarded and I'll never agree with it. Went to a music fest recently and saw soooo many people taking like 1 g lines of ketamine or frantically snorting the remainder of their drugs during the very last set of the fest, even though it'll be wasted because they'll either pass out within an hour or two because everyones exhausted at that point or they simply won't remember shit.


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Cj-B]
    #22338868 - 10/05/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22338874 - 10/05/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

alone


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Cj-B]
    #22338943 - 10/05/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Cj-B said:
Generally solo if I intend to consume larger quantities, and smaller doses to supplement live music events or certain public activities (hitting the museums/aquarium/planetarium in Chicago on acid or mushrooms never fails to be :Awemazing:). How often I take stuff honestly depends solely on mood. Sometimes I'll trip a few times in a 2-3 week period and others I'll go for months without even the slightest inclination to take anything. Depends heavily on the substance as well. I'm much more comfortable taking small to medium doses of :mxe: semi-regularly and in public spaces than I am with things like acid or mushrooms, if only because I don't have to worry about not being able to drive myself home or otherwise being too spun.

Heroic dosing simply for the purpose of taking drugs is retarded and I'll never agree with it. Went to a music fest recently and saw soooo many people taking like 1 g lines of ketamine or frantically snorting the remainder of their drugs during the very last set of the fest, even though it'll be wasted because they'll either pass out within an hour or two because everyones exhausted at that point or they simply won't remember shit.



  Thanks for the response! I went to Chicago this summer, first big city I'd ever been to. It was a long layover so I only had half a day to check it out and I went to the field museum, it was amazing. I saw the planetarium and aquarium and really wished I had time to see it all.

Tripping in those places actually sounds appealing, it seems a lot different than some room in a house which I'm still opposed to. I think as long as it's a small enough dose that it's easily controllable that'd be pretty fun.

What you said about the festival mentality of taking drugs is exactly what I was trying to convey, doing high doses is fine, but doing it just 'cause' is dumb and there is a point when 1 more hit or 10 is only a fraction of a stronger trip so why waste it I think.


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It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue,
      was Earth.


I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.   
  I didn't feel like a giant,
      I felt very, very small...

-Neil Armstrong


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Re: How to do drugs, how do YOU do them? [Re: Ezuma]
    #22338962 - 10/05/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ezuma said:
I agree with you somewhat, op, but to me its not all or nothing. There are different approaches and some of them seem just as valid to me.
I tend to trip with close friends, but I can see some benefit -possibly quite a lot- in tripping alone.
I usually like to be in nature, but sometimes being inside is where its at just a matter of what feels right in the moment.
I don't get the public tripping or the dick-sizing aspects though I'll agree with you there



Thanks for the response, a dialogue is definitely what I am looking for. I want to know the benefits of, for example, tripping solo or tripping inside? What type of trip do you find when you do indoors or go solo? In my mind, which is inexperienced in both of those obviously, I always assume being with good friends in nature is a guaranteed good feeling trip and only enhanced.


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It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue,
      was Earth.


I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth.   
  I didn't feel like a giant,
      I felt very, very small...

-Neil Armstrong


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