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God25
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Shaggy Parasol 1
#22335178 - 10/04/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I have done a lot of research and haven't been able to find any good information on growing Chlorophyllum Rhacodes. I have a culture from this mushroom that I started on PDYA.

I just took 6 transfers from the clones onto more PDYA and am waiting for them to grow out. The clones had grown ten days in this picture that I took right before I transferred them.

I am planning on eventually growing them on millet then inoculating some bulk straw then probably case them. Mainly I am wondering if anyone thinks this is a good route and if anyone has had any success with this species indoors? Also fruiting parameters would be helpful. Either way I'm gonna give it a go and I will update this thread later with any news on how it is working out.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#22335183 - 10/04/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Shaggy Parasol (moved) [Re: God25]
#22335370 - 10/05/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol (moved) [Re: cronicr]
#22335424 - 10/05/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why would you want to grow these?
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I've tried all kinds of dumb mushrooms so i can't judge lol
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God25
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Re: Shaggy Parasol (moved) [Re: cronicr]
#22336564 - 10/05/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for moving it to the right section. I'm still new to using the message boards. And to answer the why question. I think this is an absolutely beautiful mushroom and in my opinion it is also the best tasting mushroom I have eaten. I prefer it over morels.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol (moved) [Re: God25]
#22336598 - 10/05/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do a spread of tests. Try sterilized wood, pasteurized wood and pasteurized straw. Hopefully one will work? I know nothing about this species BTW. What do they grow on in the wild?
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Re: Shaggy Parasol (moved) [Re: Gr0wer]
#22336944 - 10/05/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know that they are known to grow in compost piles and on thatch ant mounds. I also found a close relative Chlorophyllum brunneum which I just spawned to an outdoor compost pile today, though I used a multispore inoculation to start that spawn and I had found the original mushroom growing out of leaf litter. The mushroom in the picture I found growing out of wood chips that look to have been there for at least a couple years.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol (moved) [Re: God25]
#22338036 - 10/05/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Probably a secondary decomposer try composting some straw and growing similar to white buttons. ive also heard of people growing secondary decomposers on waste from primary decomposers like oysters or shiitakes. Just break it up and sterilize, probably add some gypsum and bran too. Again no experience in this type of cultivation hopefully someone else can chime in.
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God25
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Re: Shaggy Parasol (moved) [Re: Gr0wer]
#22339008 - 10/05/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nothing I have read has been definitive on what they grow on but many say that they won't grow on finished compost and grows mycelium poorly on uncomposted material. So it seems somewhere in between may be the way to go. Given that I like the idea of waste from primary decomposers since it wouldn't be as broken down as composting with multiple organisms in a pile. I think I may have to grow some oysters and try on straw and spent sub from oysters to see if either works for me. Great idea thanks for the input I never thought of that!
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Quote:
Laughingcowwa said: Why would you want to grow these?
Why would you not want to grow them? They taste really good! Would probably make a damn fine mushroom burger.
I'd try growing them on composted horse poop. I tend to find them on horse trails where people don't clean up after their animals. They like the poo.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol (moved) [Re: Acheulean]
#22435519 - 10/26/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Been super busy lately with college and work but have a minute to get on here. Just checked on them and they have grown out nicely though slower now that the transfers don't have a piece of mushroom to provide extra nutrients. Be another couple weeks and I should be ready to transfer to grain. Sorry no pictures since I don't have a camera that works myself and the wife isn't here for me to use her phone. Just an update for anyone who is interested in their progress.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol (moved) [Re: God25]
#22490300 - 11/07/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm interested. I hope you get mushrooms.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#22491930 - 11/07/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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God25
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Well here is where they are at now

I am super busy with work and school so don't have the time to continue this at least until winter break so I have them stored in the fridge for now. I also have some cardboard spawn that was growing in the fridge from stem butts and it is completely grown out and fuzzy. I will use that for an outdoor patch later. Sorry it will be a while but when I get back to it in a couple months I will definitely post some more updates.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#22515016 - 11/12/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've seen shaggy mane grows on google while doing a google image search so maybe you can find a site or info linked to one of those pics. I too have thought about growing these as they are unique in looks and good flavor. Probably would need to dry for market. Heres one site with both shaggy parasol and shaggy mane http://www.mushroommountain.com/grow_your_own/strains.asp
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#22521680 - 11/14/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is your camera good enough for a closeup? I want to compare to some Leucoagaricus I have.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#22527501 - 11/15/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Make sure that you provide insulation for them while in the refrigerator. Refrigerators sometimes freeze things. I've lost a few plates that way.
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God25
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Thanks for the link. They actually have the parasol mushroom (Marcolepiota procera) which is in a different genus and species than the shaggy parasol (Chlorophyllum rachodes). Though I am excited because I would like a culture of that species as well and I couldn't find a place to order them until now. As to the picture I just took a look at them and there is too much condensation on the petri dish now that they are in the fridge but I can probably get a close up after they warm up when I am able to get back to growing them out. Finally thanks for the input on insulating them I just sandwiched them with some layers of bubble wrap to be safe. About a month and a half of college left then I will have a month to mess with this. Get some going on grain spawn at that point and go from there.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#22540363 - 11/18/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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God25
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: moricz]
#22749680 - 01/07/16 06:57 PM (8 years, 23 days ago) |
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Well finally back at it. Tried to get a better picture after letting the culture warm for a day but the condensation didn't go away so I wasn't able to. I started two grain masters from one petri dish using pearl millet with a tsp of coffee, gypsum, and calcium carb to buffer. After these colonize I will use them to make more grain spawn. After that I am planning 12 tests using 4 different substrates and two casing preparations. The four substrates are going to be supplemented woodchips, partially composted woodchips, manure supplemented spent oyster substrate, and finally straw. Hopefully one or more of these will work.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#22836136 - 01/28/16 08:57 PM (8 years, 2 days ago) |
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The grain spawn has been really slow to take off so that will take awhile to colonize. I have used another petri dish to make liquid mycelium which I used to inoculate two liquid cultures and some flour cakes as another test. Will hopefully see the cakes and the liquid culture taking off soon. Will update when there are changes and hopefully upload some pictures when colonization is farther along.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#23111757 - 04/12/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's been awhile but finally have some results for good mycelium growth. Grain was slow to colonize. Was only able to do three tests with what worked out. I used straw, composted woodchips, and spent oyster mushroom substrate. The straw and wood chip compost were slow to colonize and contaminated. The spent substrate is almost completely colonized in only a few days with much healthier looking mycelium than was present in the other tests. Will post a pictures soon once the colonization is finished then will case before giving indoor fruiting a shot. The spent substrate appears to be the way to go for healthy growth and fast colonization.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#23112050 - 04/12/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Please do post. I have some very healthy grain of the aloha 'alice' strain. I was thinking about using a similar substrate as shaggy mane. Hopefully by this weekend.
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God25
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The strain you have is of Macrolepiota procera. I am growing a different species: Chlorophyllum rhacodes. That being said they both grow in very similar conditions in the wild so the same conditions and substrates could be productive for both. I am also interested in experimenting with the species you have so if you have any success with it definitely let me know and I will continue my thread through to the end failure or success. Hope that it helps. I have run into an account of successfully fruiting Macrolepiota procera indoors though apparently the mushrooms were deformed and small, but if I remember correctly they were grown similar to the shaggy mane except live grass was grown in the casing. It has been a year or two since I read the article but if I can locate it again I will post the link.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#23115445 - 04/13/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I recognize the difference in species. Being similar enough, I judged the requirements to bring them to appropriate fruiting conditions would be the same. I'll definitely keel you updated, and be willing to trade for your culture as well. I'll be spawning to a bulk pasteurized sub Friday so results will follow shortly thereafter.
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God25
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Finally go to casing the one that worked out. Used a standard peat/verm casing with some added activated charcoal. Here are some pictures before casing:



And here is a picture after casing was applied:

Will give it a few days until I see some mycelium poking through before attempting to put it into fruit.
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God25
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Sounds good. Possibly be interested in trading. Would have to run out a few more petri dishes from my master culture. Let me know.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#23136229 - 04/20/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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^ haha.
My parasol is growing some healthy mycelium on composted chicken poo straw. Looks like it'll make it. I'll be using it outdoors when it is ready. First time growing with composted subs. Shaggy manes are loving it too. I'm down to trade now that I know it's good.
Nice sub btw! Looks healthy.
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God25
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Well after some time trying and experimenting with different temperatures and humidity I was unable to get the shaggy parasol to fruit indoors. Missing something. Tried temperatures near freezing to 70 degrees working from high to low. Either way I'll probably at least use the culture I have to start an outdoor patch or two so I can at least harvest them in the fall. If anyone else gives it a try and has better success let me know.
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Re: Shaggy Parasol [Re: God25]
#23384105 - 06/26/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's a bummer. Growing composters indoors always seemed rather difficult to me. I hope someone knows more about this and can help you out.
My parasol grew well through the substrate and consolidated well. I spawned it to some compost from my bin last week. It's near my wine cap patch outdoors, which is near a wild shaggy parasol patch. I'll update if anything happens.
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God25
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Yeah definitely keep me updated. Moved onto the next project for now. Have some morels growing out well with a lot of sclerotia from spores I collected this year. Maybe I will have success with them indoors. Love a challenge. Might try shaggy parasols again in the future indoors if I can find some more clues or ideas that I think might work. Morels are difficult but at least I can find some successes out there to point me in the right direction unlike the shaggys. Heres hoping.
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