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first trip - no good
    #22335111 - 10/04/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys, I just had my first trip with 0.5 grams. Yest I know it was pretty low dose but I'm super sensitive to substances.

This is what happened:

1- I ate the mushrooms  and after 1 hour I started feeling some anxiety.

2- I was at a park waiting for the effects to come, after 3 hours I didn't see anything or colors and I just thought about going home. I was listening to meditation music and my girl was around me to watch me in case something happen

3- I took the bus to go home and I started feeling VERY very nauseous, It was not vertigo or something like that, but It felt that I ate something rotten and my body was trying to expel, I really wanted to vomit.

4- I went home and I sit on the couch, the nauseous got really bad, I still didn't have any side effects except for some quick buzz that feels very similar to caffeine.  I read on the internet about fresh ginger and I made orange juice mixed with a huge chunk. The juice was so strong on ginger that It felt like jalapenho juice, I felt comfort imediatly but still nauseous.

5-Still no visuals or any insight, but I still got nauseous until 8pm, and I had eaten around 3pm.

I know it was a low dose, but I felt like the nausea would be pretty bad if I had 1 gram (in case increases with a high dose).

I've heard that making a tea will remove the nausea completely, is this true?

Is there anything else that I should eat to avoid the nausea ? I was thinking on buying some ginger candy and eat the next time.

Note: i didn't have empty stomach .

Also, when can I try again? next week ? I've heard that mushrooms need time between doses.

Thanks


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: hiperhiper]
    #22335126 - 10/04/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Your a puss


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #22335257 - 10/04/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Too low of a dose man. Next time make tea with a gram of two. You just got the nausea without any effects


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: hiperhiper]
    #22335443 - 10/05/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yes, tea will help a lot with nausea. Make sure when you make it that you strain out all the mushroom bits.

you were wise to start with a low dose.


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: jesuisravi]
    #22336047 - 10/05/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Does  psylocybin break down in the tea when it's stored? Should Ialwats make fresh tea for each new trip?


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: hiperhiper]
    #22336066 - 10/05/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You could also just grind the mushrooms down and put them in melted chocolate, set it in an ice cube tray and leave it in the freezer for as long as you want. No taste, little nausea, easy dosing.


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: Zytan]
    #22336081 - 10/05/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What causes the nausea? Is it the digestion of solid mushroom and not the conversion of psylocybin in the gut?


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: hiperhiper]
    #22336085 - 10/05/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I fucking love shrooms by themselves. Yes definitely take more than .5. I just went on a trip Saturday. Was fucking epic.


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: hiperhiper]
    #22336223 - 10/05/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

psilocybin, even in its pure form, can cause nausea.

But what does a number on most people is the consumption of mushroom flesh. There is a lot of an indigestible substance called chitin in mushrooms--it is the tissue in mushrooms that does what celulose does for plants,i.e., builds out the structure, allows the mushroom to stand up.  You need to strain that stuff out.

Check out PrimalSoup's tea recipe. That one works for me.:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12494141#12494141


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: champinhom]
    #22336622 - 10/05/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

0.5g is what i would call a micro-dose, in fact, i'd call 1g a microdose.

SWIM had nausea in the past from both tried and wet mushrooms in tea, eating what was at the bottom around the 3.5g dose.

However, that person advanced to regular hero dose territory of 5g or more without being sick.

The material was always dried to cracker tryness then ground into a fine powder. Lemon Tek for 10-20m, then mixed with fresh ginger tea. By fresh I mean he cut up some fresh ginger, boiled that shit for around 20m. If no fresh, use dried bags of tea.

Ginger has great healing properties in general, but is well known to sooth the gut. You can also add honey which is has some good properties which may help and will make the resulting drinks taste gud.

Material soaked in Lemon then transfered into a flask and stepped for another 10-20m in hot (not boiled) ginger tea.

NOTE: the exact methodology of lemon tek and tea making varies, differnt folk have different ideas of what works best. Some experimentation / research is always advised.

Drinking the tea and any sedement will cause a fairly rapid introduction into the shroom environment, more so than eating material, you'll definately know about it. Lemon tek will mean Psilocin is more available and will cause the come up to be a tad more intense but likley for a shorter period (but not always). :cool:

SWIM found that this method of consumption stopped nausea but the concept that Lemon Tek reduced 'peak' or the whole trip time wasn't the case at that high dosage.

Depending on your weight, a min of 2.5g would be a breakthrough dose, but I'd suggest going for 3.5g. If you want to try Lemon Teck, go for the former next time.  Normally you'd need to leave around 2-4 weeks to reduce tollorance, but given such a low dose, you should be fine in a week. After your first breakthrough, leave it 2-4 weeks.

Also note, park environments are awesome, being in nature = good, connecting back to mother nature. Being around random strangers who aren't participating can in many peoples experience not be helpful. Dog walkers and the like, which in itself can cause anxiety, guilt, fear etc.

Having to navigate public transport or any kind of transport also potentially a stressful experience on a higher dose after the peak. Also being a trigger for anxiety, stress and general negativity.

Remmeber, most psychedelics and even weed can / will intensify emotions you're feeling. Anxiety is a normal human emotion and reaction to stressful experience. When magnified, this can be unpleasant. So avoiding situations that cause you to feel stressed is something to consider next time. 

Would advise going somewhere in walking distance of home, somewehre secluded if you want to be outside. Or doing it at times when folk are at work.

If you want to play around with higher doses, might be wiser to do inside if you have a safe place where you can do so un-interupted.

Especially 5g, which according to the bible of our Lord Mckenna, should be done in a dark room. SWIM advocates this approach after a little practice.

Final note on anxiety. Sounds like you approached this with some fear, taking a low dose and having your GF watch you. That is understandbale ad adirable. But bare in mind that life is a reflection and you get what you focus on.

You can avoid some of that by setting your intention, this is the shamanic way. What is your desired outcome? Is it Healing? Knowledge? Both? Or do you just want to get high (this is ok, but waste of food of the gods in somes view). Set your intention, say it outloud, then keep your intention in your mind during the trip. Then you can accept anything that comes up is part of fulfilling your intension.

Don't be affraid of negative emotions, accept the lessons the teacher :mushroom2: has for you. If negative emotions arrise, accept and surrender to them, as part of your experience of life. Fighting and resisting is the wood that makes the negative fire burn.

[EDIT TO ADD] One final thought on nausea. Some advocate long fasts. Others feel that the hunger pangs are made worse with :mushroom2:. If you're doing in evening, try having a substantial healthy breafast. A late morning snack and a light late lunch around say 2.3-3pm. Then don't eat again till you consume your material on an empty stomach with 3-4 hours.

Once you've consumed and you're past the peak, it can be ok to eat again, make it healthy though, no processed crap or sugar.

Good luck young jedi, be brave and increase your dose.


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: herodoser]
    #22339857 - 10/06/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Try making tea or even lemon tek. I don't have an issue with nausea from mushrooms, but my last time I took them in lemon tek (finely ground) and I noticed that it felt even easier on my stomach than usual.


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22368613 - 10/12/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If I make mushroom tea with or without lemon tek does it break down after I store in the fridge? Should i drink right away?


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: hiperhiper]
    #22368678 - 10/12/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Make tea. And always expect anxiety. Mind over matter though. When feeling down, just remember that you would have to eat your own body weight in dried mushrooms to come anywhere near toxic. 16 ounces per pound. 28 grams per ounce... good luck, step up and blast off :wink:


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: hiperhiper]
    #22369711 - 10/12/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You sure they were Psilocybin?


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: hiperhiper]
    #22369806 - 10/12/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just from personal experience: The only times I had extreme nausea was when I was not in the right mindset before taking the shrooms. My shrooms were fine and even at a 2.5g dose I still had bad nausea and no other effects. I just had something in the back of my mind I was worried about (minor stuff) but once I realized it was going to be fine, I can now trip super easily.
I feel like I could trip just sniffing a mushroom now :rofl:
Tea helps but I found it didn't help with my nausea when I had that minor worry in the back of my mind.
Now I never experience nausea.
It could be just your first time tripping that caused the nausea but make sure you have no worries, minor or otherwise. Try again when you feel comfortable.


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Re: first trip - no good [Re: jbaby007]
    #22372019 - 10/13/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah anxiety can provoke a lot of nausea like symptoms too. I used to dry heave sometimes while coming up and have a weird cough like something was stuck in my throat. Once you can find a way to manage the anxiety though.... paradise baby


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