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The axiological transmutation
    #22334416 - 10/04/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



Discuss intelligently.


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22334435 - 10/04/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

strain. you forgot strain. you have to add strain into the mix, right in the middle there.


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22334493 - 10/04/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted]
    #22334501 - 10/04/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

my head asplode


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22334530 - 10/04/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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what



the background element isn't going to be noticed without strain.
the functional tension in the field of consciousness isn't going to be tense without strain.
the resonance of the brain has no vibration without strain.
cultural artifacts wouldn't be made without said strain.

there needs to be calling into existence things and it's called into it by strain. the strain to keep making things worthwhile.


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted]
    #22334540 - 10/04/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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This whole thread is what


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: koods]
    #22334553 - 10/04/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

we live in a world of memes, i think that's what this thread is about, it's like trying to be all depressing and shit; right Morrow? we just make up retarded shit that we believe because we ought to so we don't feel ultimately lacking in any sort of lifeblood in our culture? so we can still feel like we're doing shit when we're not?

that's what i got from this thread, maybe i'm just fucked.


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22334604 - 10/04/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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what



the background element isn't going to be noticed without strain.
the functional tension in the field of consciousness isn't going to be tense without strain.
the resonance of the brain has no vibration without strain.
cultural artifacts wouldn't be made without said strain.

there needs to be calling into existence things and it's called into it by strain. the strain to keep making things worthwhile.



i guess i see what you're saying. it's about ideas though. i dont see why strain needs to be in the middle


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted]
    #22334628 - 10/04/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

well i was thinking that because strain pulls everyone of those things into itself....

but it could be outside the axis, it could be independent of the axis entirely.

i mean, the significance isn't where it belongs, it's that stain seems to influence all those things, which by and by influence one another simultaneously.


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22334638 - 10/04/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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we live in a world of memes, i think that's what this thread is about, it's like trying to be all depressing and shit; right Morrow? we just make up retarded shit that we believe because we ought to so we don't feel ultimately lacking in any sort of lifeblood in our culture? so we can still feel like we're doing shit when we're not?

that's what i got from this thread, maybe i'm just fucked.



it's not all negative. we can make up positive things. and negative things. but mostly people just create theories. it is just about the fact that theories work in a feedback cycle between sociology, philosophy, and psychology, which transmits to human behavior, which then gets theorized about by sociologists, re-engaging the cycle. it might be why you see a rise in gender identity stuff, and racial divisiveness, etc.


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted]
    #22334684 - 10/04/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I had to read an article to fully understand what axiological means. An entire fucking article. Props.

I imagine the biophysics part of the loop is how we interpret, sense, and feel the world around us and what influence that has on the human...ethos? Is that the right word?


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted]
    #22334717 - 10/04/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Psychology doesnt influence biophysics


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted]
    #22334726 - 10/04/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
we live in a world of memes, i think that's what this thread is about, it's like trying to be all depressing and shit; right Morrow? we just make up retarded shit that we believe because we ought to so we don't feel ultimately lacking in any sort of lifeblood in our culture? so we can still feel like we're doing shit when we're not?

that's what i got from this thread, maybe i'm just fucked.



it's not all negative. we can make up positive things. and negative things. but mostly people just create theories. it is just about the fact that theories work in a feedback cycle between sociology, philosophy, and psychology, which transmits to human behavior, which then gets theorized about by sociologists, re-engaging the cycle. it might be why you see a rise in gender identity stuff, and racial divisiveness, etc.


yep.

people don't seem to understand, too, that people are merely...experimenting. the reason everything is going to come to a head, in any regard, whether it providing a negative solution (removal: see Holocaust), or a positive one, (non-violent protest, study, ect) is because people refuse to be put into boxes. the strain is too great.

and we'll do it because we've nothing better to do...at least unless you think that the best thing to do is farm. farm farm farm-away, and say that that was a life well worth living.

it's all aesthetics, and ethics, it truly is. we want to be right, and we want what we could call our own.

i rambled about this in my art thread not too long ago.

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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: JvF]
    #22334791 - 10/04/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Psychology doesnt influence biophysics



Yes it does. Responding to psychological theories as they are represented or misrepresented, as the case may be, by mass media outlets results in changes at the neural network level.


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted]
    #22334794 - 10/04/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thats a bit of a stretch


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: JvF]
    #22334800 - 10/04/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Not at all. All learning changes the neural network, that is how neural networks function.


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted]
    #22334813 - 10/04/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

idyllic shaming is what is the most prevalent force on the planet right now.


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: morrowasted]
    #22335123 - 10/04/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

okay, but psychology is a byproduct of environment and also causes behavior changes. the body of an organism is actually just an evolved expression of its natural environment and those with a thinking mind can actually do this cool thing called "learning" which takes in data from the environment as input and deciphers certain calculations in its own brain which will determine certain expressive characteristics and behavior patterns in the organism as it continues processing input stimulus, and changing its neural pathways accordingly to produce the correlating output.


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Re: The axiological transmutation [Re: Envix]
    #22335167 - 10/04/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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