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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #22335897 - 10/05/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah man $9 an hour is where the riches are at.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Asante]
    #22335905 - 10/05/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah man $9 an hour is where the riches are at.



Not it isn't. That's a shitty wage paid to shitty workers. Still puts you above the poverty line though.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Webster10] * 2
    #22335922 - 10/05/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Its a shitty wage paid by shitty employers.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22335929 - 10/05/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If they could get better jobs, they would.
That's what my old boss used to say.  :shrug:


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Asante]
    #22336064 - 10/05/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Its a shitty wage paid by shitty employers.



That's misleading. It's a lot better than the shitty wages corporations pay to illegals.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #22336100 - 10/05/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know how many times I can make this point, but it's at least once more:


As an American, you have to choose one of the following:

A) A nation where employers pay a liveable wage

Or

B) a nation with a strong social safety net program to bridge the gap that employers leave between their employees and economic sustainability


We can either raise the minimum wage to stop subsidizing people, or fork up our own money to make up the difference. Lots of people here seem to want neither and that's just not an option at this point, what with globalism et al.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Webster10]
    #22336101 - 10/05/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wrote a check to the IRS for $20K last year in taxes for being self employed, single male, with no kids. Our tax code is complete bullshit and rips off the real middle class. I don't give two shits about social programs until 90% of my taxes aren't going to paying off the national debt via the income tax. $36 contributed to food stamps while ignoring how much of our gross income goes to paying out entitlement programs and pork barrel spending programs. Things are rarely as simple as they seem and socialism is no different folks.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22336121 - 10/05/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I don't know how many times I can make this point, but it's at least once more:


As an American, you have to choose one of the following:

A) A nation where employers pay a liveable wage

Or

B) a nation with a strong social safety net program to bridge the gap that employers leave between their employees and economic sustainability


We can either raise the minimum wage to stop subsidizing people, or fork up our own money to make up the difference. Lots of people here seem to want neither and that's just not an option at this point, what with globalism et al.



OR you can stop subsidizing large corporations, pay the same wages that are being paid and let the 1% take the pay cut.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: daytripper05] * 1
    #22336122 - 10/05/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And yet another person who doesn't know what socialism is.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #22336127 - 10/05/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I don't know how many times I can make this point, but it's at least once more:


As an American, you have to choose one of the following:

A) A nation where employers pay a liveable wage

Or

B) a nation with a strong social safety net program to bridge the gap that employers leave between their employees and economic sustainability


We can either raise the minimum wage to stop subsidizing people, or fork up our own money to make up the difference. Lots of people here seem to want neither and that's just not an option at this point, what with globalism et al.



OR you can stop subsidizing large corporations, pay the same wages that are being paid and let the 1% take the pay cut.




Agreed, that starts with effectively taxing them, and cutting off their subsidization. But that in itself starts with campaign finance reform.

And who's the only candidate not a billionaire or being funded by billionaires? Sanders.


Whether you like his policies or not, you have to agree that even if in his lone term he managed to reform campaign finance, his presidency would be a win for Americans.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22336141 - 10/05/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It absolutely would be :thumbup: What discludes a billionaire from being capable of doing that? The only ones who are incapable IMO are those supported by billionaires. They have to return the favor once elected. A self-funded billionaire wouldn't :shrug:


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22336154 - 10/05/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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And yet another person who doesn't know what socialism is.




You are just making rhetorical statements without any real meaning. I know very well what socialism is, but thanks for telling me what it isn't but failing to explain what it actually is. Good job dude.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #22336159 - 10/05/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It absolutely would be :thumbup: What discludes a billionaire from being capable of doing that? The only ones who are incapable IMO are those supported by billionaires. They have to return the favor once elected. A self-funded billionaire wouldn't :shrug:




Just because someone else isn't pulling Trump's strings doesn't mean he has different goals than any other billionaire. But I will agree that his perceived independence is a draw for voters, as is apparent with the polls.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22336176 - 10/05/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I don't know how many times I can make this point, but it's at least once more:


As an American, you have to choose one of the following:

A) A nation where employers pay a liveable wage

Or

B) a nation with a strong social safety net program to bridge the gap that employers leave between their employees and economic sustainability


We can either raise the minimum wage to stop subsidizing people, or fork up our own money to make up the difference. Lots of people here seem to want neither and that's just not an option at this point, what with globalism et al.






This doesn't make any sense.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22336179 - 10/05/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It absolutely would be :thumbup: What discludes a billionaire from being capable of doing that? The only ones who are incapable IMO are those supported by billionaires. They have to return the favor once elected. A self-funded billionaire wouldn't :shrug:




Just because someone else isn't pulling Trump's strings doesn't mean he has different goals than any other billionaire. But I will agree that his perceived independence is a draw for voters, as is apparent with the polls.



But why would he stray from his normal business ventures to focus on a campaign if money was his goal?


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #22336226 - 10/05/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
I don't know how many times I can make this point, but it's at least once more:


As an American, you have to choose one of the following:

A) A nation where employers pay a liveable wage

Or

B) a nation with a strong social safety net program to bridge the gap that employers leave between their employees and economic sustainability


We can either raise the minimum wage to stop subsidizing people, or fork up our own money to make up the difference. Lots of people here seem to want neither and that's just not an option at this point, what with globalism et al.






This doesn't make any sense.




Try reading slower, or voice your confusion in a manner other than a thumbnail of a cartoon character.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Konyap]
    #22336271 - 10/05/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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the best part is that money is spent so the corporations don't over pruduce and monopolize the market:yesnod:





you have no idea what you're talking about do you




oil and agriculture subsidies at the very least



check please!





what oil subsidies?


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #22336275 - 10/05/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
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Webster10 said:
It absolutely would be :thumbup: What discludes a billionaire from being capable of doing that? The only ones who are incapable IMO are those supported by billionaires. They have to return the favor once elected. A self-funded billionaire wouldn't :shrug:




Just because someone else isn't pulling Trump's strings doesn't mean he has different goals than any other billionaire. But I will agree that his perceived independence is a draw for voters, as is apparent with the polls.



But why would he stray from his normal business ventures to focus on a campaign if money was his goal?




Same reason that other billionaires invest time and money in politics: it's fruitful for them.

Call me skeptical, but I don't see the billionaire wanting to change the rules of the game that he's won multiple times over.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: Sun King]
    #22336298 - 10/05/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Sun King said:
If they could get better jobs, they would.
That's what my old boss used to say.  :shrug:



Exactly. They are poor decision makers. That's their fault, not society.


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Re: The average American pays $36/year towards food stamps and $6/year towards other social safety nets [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22336300 - 10/05/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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Webster10 said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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Webster10 said:
It absolutely would be :thumbup: What discludes a billionaire from being capable of doing that? The only ones who are incapable IMO are those supported by billionaires. They have to return the favor once elected. A self-funded billionaire wouldn't :shrug:




Just because someone else isn't pulling Trump's strings doesn't mean he has different goals than any other billionaire. But I will agree that his perceived independence is a draw for voters, as is apparent with the polls.



But why would he stray from his normal business ventures to focus on a campaign if money was his goal?




Same reason that other billionaires invest time and money in politics: it's fruitful for them.

Call me skeptical, but I don't see the billionaire wanting to change the rules of the game that he's won multiple times over.




Trump is never going to end up broke, so it's not about enriching himself through his proposed policies.

Creating a more robust economy would help everyone, maybe even his own investments, that's not a bad thing.


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