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Can we all agree
    #22333874 - 10/04/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That communism will never work in the real world.

Communism is like religion IMO. Some people try to make the case that religion has its place in the world when it unifies people without causing division. Well this only can happen on paper, and it doesn'the apply to the real world. The positivity gained from unification is always less than the negativity casued by division and discrimination. Just like communism. Sounds alright on paper, totally unrealistic.

Agreed? Agreed.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22333907 - 10/04/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed.

There are few Bernie types on this forum that might not agree


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22333912 - 10/04/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22333915 - 10/04/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No, not agreed


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22333929 - 10/04/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed, it's great in theory, and that's where it's supporters live, in the theoretical realm, they believe that if just the right people are in charge, it could work, but history has shown that it leads to misery...


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22333983 - 10/04/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22334429 - 10/04/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what exactly are you referring to in your blanket "communism"? where has it been put into practices; and what were it's failures as both a whole to it's society and as systemic/intrinsic to (insert your blanket communism definition)?


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay]
    #22334443 - 10/04/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Whoa whoa whoa, I don't want my insight to be any deeper than simple word association.

Communism bad, capitalism good. That's easy, that I can wrap my head around.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22334461 - 10/04/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.




Exactly what we would do if we had the guts. :shrug:

But the real world doesn't work like that, people are frightened and they need all these things. IMO we would be naturally living in a communist society if we were all living in accordance with human nature but we're all a bunch of psychopaths (exceptions to about one in ten thousand) so that won't work.

In my experience most people use it so they can avoid trying to change themselves and pretend society is at fault for all their problems.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Grapefruit]
    #22334469 - 10/04/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.




Exactly what we would do if we had the guts. :shrug:

But the real world doesn't work like that, people are frightened and they need all these things. IMO we would be naturally living in a communist society if we were all living in accordance with human nature but we're all a bunch of psychopaths (exceptions to about one in ten thousand) so that won't work.




Rape and murder and theft are all in accordance with human nature, don't sugar coat it.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22335798 - 10/05/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.



Human nature actually exists though. You seem to be making the point that communism would in fact work if it didn't cause friction with human nature. Well news flash, it does, and always will. Human nature will remain constant and embedded in reality and communism will remain a theory that only works on paper and has no realistic application.

Economic philosophies absolutely do apply though, and we see them work every single day, unlike communism.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay]
    #22335804 - 10/05/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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what exactly are you referring to in your blanket "communism"? where has it been put into practices; and what were it's failures as both a whole to it's society and as systemic/intrinsic to (insert your blanket communism definition)?



It was put into practice in the USSR. It's failure is that the USSR ceases to exist and the people of Russia lived in poverty and oppression when it did exist.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22335806 - 10/05/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Whoa whoa whoa, I don't want my insight to be any deeper than simple word association.

Communism bad, capitalism good. That's easy, that I can wrap my head around.



Perhaps you should educate yourself further than that. Because if that truly is the extent of your understading, you're fucking dumb m8.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22335952 - 10/05/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.



Human nature actually exists though. You seem to be making the point that communism would in fact work if it didn't cause friction with human nature. Well news flash, it does, and always will. Human nature will remain constant and embedded in reality and communism will remain a theory that only works on paper and has no realistic application.

Economic philosophies absolutely do apply though, and we see them work every single day, unlike communism.




News flash: that's exactly my point.

Also, communism IS an economic philosophy.


Another person discounting something g they don't even understand. :facepalm:


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22335953 - 10/05/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Whoa whoa whoa, I don't want my insight to be any deeper than simple word association.

Communism bad, capitalism good. That's easy, that I can wrap my head around.



Perhaps you should educate yourself further than that. Because if that truly is the extent of your understading, you're fucking dumb m8.




I thought I laid the sarcasm on pretty thick, apparently some of you are thicker than that.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22336021 - 10/05/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.



Human nature actually exists though. You seem to be making the point that communism would in fact work if it didn't cause friction with human nature. Well news flash, it does, and always will. Human nature will remain constant and embedded in reality and communism will remain a theory that only works on paper and has no realistic application.

Economic philosophies absolutely do apply though, and we see them work every single day, unlike communism.




News flash: that's exactly my point.

Also, communism IS an economic philosophy.


Another person discounting something g they don't even understand. :facepalm:



The way you worded it made it seem like you didn't believe any economic philosophy is applicable. But some are. Communism isn't.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22336023 - 10/05/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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what exactly are you referring to in your blanket "communism"? where has it been put into practices; and what were it's failures as both a whole to it's society and as systemic/intrinsic to (insert your blanket communism definition)?



It was put into practice in the USSR. It's failure is that the USSR ceases to exist and the people of Russia lived in poverty and oppression when it did exist.




are you reading a 9th grade history book?


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22336025 - 10/05/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Whoa whoa whoa, I don't want my insight to be any deeper than simple word association.

Communism bad, capitalism good. That's easy, that I can wrap my head around.



Perhaps you should educate yourself further than that. Because if that truly is the extent of your understading, you're fucking dumb m8.




I thought I laid the sarcasm on pretty thick, apparently some of you are thicker than that.



I thought I did too. :facepalm:


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay]
    #22336026 - 10/05/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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airclay said:
what exactly are you referring to in your blanket "communism"? where has it been put into practices; and what were it's failures as both a whole to it's society and as systemic/intrinsic to (insert your blanket communism definition)?



It was put into practice in the USSR. It's failure is that the USSR ceases to exist and the people of Russia lived in poverty and oppression when it did exist.




are you reading a 9th grade history book?



Intelligent point you raise. Let me rebut. You're a stupid head!


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22336056 - 10/05/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Communism is a critique of Capitalism.  Marx saw the good and the bad in Capitalism and believed we could do better.

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Economic philosophies absolutely do apply though, and we see them work every single day, unlike communism.




Communism is an economic philosophy.  As far as it working in the real world the average household is a form of communism.

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From each according to his ability, to each according to his need




Think of a newborn infant.  They take and do nothing.  As they grow older they start to do chores around the house.  When they get a bit bigger they might help out on the family farm or business or help their aging grandfather who is no longer able to take care of himself.

When the kid gets older and starts his own family his own kids will contribute, as they're able, in the same fashion.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22336060 - 10/05/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
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airclay said:
what exactly are you referring to in your blanket "communism"? where has it been put into practices; and what were it's failures as both a whole to it's society and as systemic/intrinsic to (insert your blanket communism definition)?



It was put into practice in the USSR. It's failure is that the USSR ceases to exist and the people of Russia lived in poverty and oppression when it did exist.




are you reading a 9th grade history book?



Intelligent point you raise. Let me rebut. You're a stupid head!




If you'd like to take it ad-hominem then ok but, to be honest that's really the only place where communism would labelled and described as such. I find your simple conjectures  on the nature of success, failures or practices of "communism" fall short of a full understanding of marxism and the critiques of capitalism.

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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay]
    #22336198 - 10/05/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Capitalism was tried in Rome and Rome failed therefore capitalism doesn't work.


Yeah, the transitive property doesn't really apply to economic philosophies and their real world attempts.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22336504 - 10/05/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Capitalism was tried in Rome and Rome failed therefore capitalism doesn't work.


Yeah, the transitive property doesn't really apply to economic philosophies and their real world attempts.



When has a communist country ever prospered more than a capitalist one?


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22336566 - 10/05/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Capitalism was tried in Rome and Rome failed therefore capitalism doesn't work.


Yeah, the transitive property doesn't really apply to economic philosophies and their real world attempts.



When has a communist country ever prospered more than a capitalist one?




Ill let you know once a communist country exists.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22336686 - 10/05/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do you belive one ever will?


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22336705 - 10/05/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Probably not for another two centuries at least.

It will take a lot of change to bring about a feasible communist system, but I'm not ready to call it impossible.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22337591 - 10/05/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Eh, I am :shrug:


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    #22337774 - 10/05/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

well that's your opinion, I think we should at least try something first before we call it a failure. And even then, a failure could have nothing to do with the tenets of communism and everything to do with the people who implemented it.

All I know is I see the means to feed and clothe and house every person on this planet but it's not being done so the insanely wealthy can get even more insanely wealthy.

Now why do the wealthy get away with it? Because they hold the rest of us hostage with the economy. "Tax us and we'll have to fire people. Regulate us and we'll have to fire people." Etc. So it seems like a logical first step to take the economy out of the hands of the super wealthy and put it into the hands of the people. There's no universal law of society that prevents democracy in the economic realm. Why shouldn't we be able to come together as a society and say "Ok, here's what we have, and here's what we can produce, let's have a debate and take a vote on how best to use it to our advantage." Now, of course the scary part is ceding this power to the government. But by the time a populace has voted in favor of socialist policies, they're more than capable of continuing to vote to assure the system's efficiency. The transition from capitalism to socialism isn't even the hardest part. Moving from socialism to communism (which is essentially socialism without the coercion or existence of the state) seems to be an extremely difficult task.


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    #22338188 - 10/05/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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well that's your opinion, I think we should at least try something first before we call it a failure. And even then, a failure could have nothing to do with the tenets of communism and everything to do with the people who implemented it.

All I know is I see the means to feed and clothe and house every person on this planet but it's not being done so the insanely wealthy can get even more insanely wealthy.

Now why do the wealthy get away with it? Because they hold the rest of us hostage with the economy. "Tax us and we'll have to fire people. Regulate us and we'll have to fire people." Etc. So it seems like a logical first step to take the economy out of the hands of the super wealthy and put it into the hands of the people. There's no universal law of society that prevents democracy in the economic realm. Why shouldn't we be able to come together as a society and say "Ok, here's what we have, and here's what we can produce, let's have a debate and take a vote on how best to use it to our advantage." Now, of course the scary part is ceding this power to the government. But by the time a populace has voted in favor of socialist policies, they're more than capable of continuing to vote to assure the system's efficiency. The transition from capitalism to socialism isn't even the hardest part. Moving from socialism to communism (which is essentially socialism without the coercion or existence of the state) seems to be an extremely difficult task.




Knowing you are serious is terrifying... You actually would condemn millions to impoverished conditions and suffering in the name of something you "think" could work...


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22338242 - 10/05/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The fact is, communism has actually been tried in america, it was tried by the pilgrims... and without further ado, I present to you, the TRUE story of Thanksgiving...

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The True Story of Thanksgiving -- The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth century ... The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned, and sometimes executed for their beliefs." In England.

So, "A group of separatists first fled to Holland and established a community.  After eleven years, about forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World, where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship God according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1, 1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers, including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey, Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible. The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for their example.

"And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in November, they found -- according to Bradford's detailed journal -- a cold, barren, desolate wilderness." The New York Jets had just lost to the Patriots. "There were no friends to greet them, he wrote." I just threw that in about the Jets and Patriots. "There were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims -- including Bradford's own wife -- died of either starvation, sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.

"Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper! This is important to understand because this is where modern American history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of gratitude grounded in the tradition of" the Bible, "both the Old and New Testaments. Here is the part that has been omitted: The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well." Everything belonged to everybody. "They were going to distribute it equally. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well.

"Nobody owned anything." It was a forerunner of Occupy Wall Street. Seriously. "They just had a share in it," but nobody owned anything. "It was a commune, folks." The original pilgrim settlement was a commune. "It was the forerunner to the communes we saw in the '60s and '70s out in California," and Occupy Wall Street, "and it was complete with organic vegetables, by the way." There's no question they were organic vegetables. What else could they be? "Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives. He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage," as they saw fit, and, "thus turning loose the power of the marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism.

"And what happened? It didn't work!" They nearly starved! "It never has worked! What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years -- trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it -- the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson. If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering in the future." If it were, there wouldn't be any Occupy Wall Street. There wouldn't be any romance for it.

"The experience that we had in this common course and condition,'" Bradford wrote. "'The experience that we had in this common course and condition tried sundry years...that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing -- as if they were wiser than God,' Bradford wrote." This was his way of saying, it didn't work, we thought we were smarter than everybody, everybody was gonna share equally, nobody was gonna have anything more than anything else, it was gonna be hunky-dory, kumbaya. Except it doesn't work. Because of half of them didn't work, maybe more. They depended on the others to do all the work. There was no incentive.

"'For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense,'" without being paid for it, "'that was thought injustice.'" They figured it out real quick. Half the community is not working -- living off the other half, that is. Resentment built. Why should you work for other people when you can't work for yourself? that's what he was saying. So the Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to do their best work without incentive. So what did Bradford's community try next? They unharnessed the power of good old free enterprise by invoking the under-girding capitalistic principle of private property.

"Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result? 'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.' ... Is it possible that supply-side economics could have existed before the 1980s? Yes," it did. "Now, this is where it gets really good, folks, if you're laboring under the misconception that I was, as I was taught in school. So they set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians." This is what happened. After everybody had their own plot of land and were allowed to market it and develop it as they saw fit and got to keep what they produced, bounty, plenty resulted.

"And then they set up trading posts, stores. They exchanged goods with and sold the Indians things. Good old-fashioned commerce. They sold stuff. And there were profits because they were screwing the Indians with the price. I'm just throwing that in. No, there were profits, and, "The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to the merchants in London." The Canarsie tribe showed up and they paid double, which is what made the Canarsie tribe screw us in the "Manna-hatin" deal years later. (I just threw that in.) They paid off the merchant sponsors back in London with their profits, they were selling goods and services to the Indians. "[T]he success and prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans," what was barren was now productive, "and began what came to be known as the 'Great Puritan Migration.'

But this story stops when the Indians taught the newly arrived suffering-in-socialism Pilgrims how to plant corn and fish for cod. That's where the original Thanksgiving story stops, and the story basically doesn't even begin there. The real story of Thanksgiving is William Bradford giving thanks to God," the pilgrims giving thanks to God, "for the guidance and the inspiration to set up a thriving colony," for surviving the trip, for surviving the experience and prospering in it. "The bounty was shared with the Indians." That's the story. "They did sit down" and they did have free-range turkey and organic vegetables. There were no trans fats, "but it was not the Indians who saved the day. It was capitalism and Scripture which saved the day," as acknowledged by George Washington in his first Thanksgiving Proclamation in 1789,




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Re: Can we all agree [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22339927 - 10/06/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you're going to quote Rush Limbaugh you should at least give him credit for his work.

Here's Rush's version and five more.

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    #22340078 - 10/06/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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well that's your opinion, I think we should at least try something first before we call it a failure. And even then, a failure could have nothing to do with the tenets of communism and everything to do with the people who implemented it.

All I know is I see the means to feed and clothe and house every person on this planet but it's not being done so the insanely wealthy can get even more insanely wealthy.

Now why do the wealthy get away with it? Because they hold the rest of us hostage with the economy. "Tax us and we'll have to fire people. Regulate us and we'll have to fire people." Etc. So it seems like a logical first step to take the economy out of the hands of the super wealthy and put it into the hands of the people. There's no universal law of society that prevents democracy in the economic realm. Why shouldn't we be able to come together as a society and say "Ok, here's what we have, and here's what we can produce, let's have a debate and take a vote on how best to use it to our advantage." Now, of course the scary part is ceding this power to the government. But by the time a populace has voted in favor of socialist policies, they're more than capable of continuing to vote to assure the system's efficiency. The transition from capitalism to socialism isn't even the hardest part. Moving from socialism to communism (which is essentially socialism without the coercion or existence of the state) seems to be an extremely difficult task.




Knowing you are serious is terrifying... You actually would condemn millions to impoverished conditions and suffering in the name of something you "think" could work...




Millions are already in impoverished conditions because of something we KNOW can't work.


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    #22341814 - 10/06/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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well that's your opinion, I think we should at least try something first before we call it a failure. And even then, a failure could have nothing to do with the tenets of communism and everything to do with the people who implemented it.

All I know is I see the means to feed and clothe and house every person on this planet but it's not being done so the insanely wealthy can get even more insanely wealthy.

Now why do the wealthy get away with it? Because they hold the rest of us hostage with the economy. "Tax us and we'll have to fire people. Regulate us and we'll have to fire people." Etc. So it seems like a logical first step to take the economy out of the hands of the super wealthy and put it into the hands of the people. There's no universal law of society that prevents democracy in the economic realm. Why shouldn't we be able to come together as a society and say "Ok, here's what we have, and here's what we can produce, let's have a debate and take a vote on how best to use it to our advantage." Now, of course the scary part is ceding this power to the government. But by the time a populace has voted in favor of socialist policies, they're more than capable of continuing to vote to assure the system's efficiency. The transition from capitalism to socialism isn't even the hardest part. Moving from socialism to communism (which is essentially socialism without the coercion or existence of the state) seems to be an extremely difficult task.




Knowing you are serious is terrifying... You actually would condemn millions to impoverished conditions and suffering in the name of something you "think" could work...




Millions are already in impoverished conditions because of something we KNOW can't work.





are you referring to capitalism? because everyone with a brain knows that has brought millions OUT of poverty...


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22342368 - 10/06/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Then why are most nations capitalist and most nations poor?


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    #22342510 - 10/06/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Then why are most nations capitalist and most nations poor?




Depends on what your definition of "poor" is, the poor in America live pretty fucking good...


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    #22342608 - 10/06/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)


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Then why are most nations capitalist and most nations poor?




Depends on what your definition of "poor" is, the poor in America live pretty fucking good...





what about folks that are living in singapore, taiwan, chile, mexico, peru, columbia uruguay, el salvador or guatemala?


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    #22348353 - 10/08/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Then why are most nations capitalist and most nations poor?




Depends on what your definition of "poor" is, the poor in America live pretty fucking good...





what about folks that are living in singapore, taiwan, chile, mexico, peru, columbia uruguay, el salvador or guatemala?





Capitalism is a natural economic form (of course it's going to be everywhere), while Socialism is a forced system using corruption, intimidation, brainwashing, and the stupidity of the American voter.


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    #22349223 - 10/08/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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burgerbrain said:
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airclay said:

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hostileuniverse said:
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Then why are most nations capitalist and most nations poor?




Depends on what your definition of "poor" is, the poor in America live pretty fucking good...





what about folks that are living in singapore, taiwan, chile, mexico, peru, columbia uruguay, el salvador or guatemala?





Capitalism is a natural economic form (of course it's going to be everywhere), while Socialism is a forced system using corruption, intimidation, brainwashing, and the stupidity of the American voter.





That's weird, because when our species was first getting its start, it was the tribes of people that prospered and survived and the solo artists died out.

There's a reason we've evolved with things like empathy, and altruism, it's because looking out for other human beings is beneficial to our race.


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    #22349262 - 10/08/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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here's a reason we've evolved with things like empathy, and altruism, it's because looking out for other human beings is beneficial to our race.




Problem is, confiscating someone's wealth to give to someone else IS NOT altruism or empathy...

Conservatives give way more to charity than liberals, and we do it with our own money

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    #22349495 - 10/08/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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here's a reason we've evolved with things like empathy, and altruism, it's because looking out for other human beings is beneficial to our race.




Problem is, confiscating someone's wealth to give to someone else IS NOT altruism or empathy...

Conservatives give way more to charity than liberals, and we do it with our own money

***insert slogan here




Two non sequiturs in one post.


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    #22350207 - 10/08/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My thoughts:

The vast majority of wealth is concentrated in the 1%.

By definition, if this was redistributed (via communism), life would improve for the 99%. Once they realize this, it'll make perfect sense.


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    #22350482 - 10/08/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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My thoughts:

The vast majority of wealth is concentrated in the 1%.

By definition, if this was redistributed (via communism), life would improve for the 99%. Once they realize this, it'll make perfect sense.




Their life will improve once they realize they can create their OWN wealth, tough though will politicians and demagogues running around yapping about how the rich got rich by "stealing" from the poor

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    #22350724 - 10/08/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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badchad said:
My thoughts:

The vast majority of wealth is concentrated in the 1%.

By definition, if this was redistributed (via communism), life would improve for the 99%. Once they realize this, it'll make perfect sense.




Exactly.

But some of our resident economic geniuses think if everyone works hard enough, we can all be hedge fund managers, CEOs, and Facebook inventors.


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    #22350830 - 10/08/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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badchad said:
My thoughts:

The vast majority of wealth is concentrated in the 1%.

By definition, if this was redistributed (via communism), life would improve for the 99%. Once they realize this, it'll make perfect sense.




Exactly.

But some of our resident economic geniuses think if everyone works hard enough, we can all be hedge fund managers, CEOs, and Facebook inventors.




^No wonder why we have ditch diggers and burger flippers.


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    #22353589 - 10/09/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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badchad said:
My thoughts:

The vast majority of wealth is concentrated in the 1%.

By definition, if this was redistributed (via communism), life would improve for the 99%. Once they realize this, it'll make perfect sense.




Exactly.

But some of our resident economic geniuses think if everyone works hard enough, we can all be hedge fund managers, CEOs, and Facebook inventors.




^No wonder why we have ditch diggers and burger flippers.





We have ditch diggers and burger flippers because our society demands that ditches be dug and burgers be flipped.

This is where conservative myopia sets in. Entire industries and sectors of our economy exist because they need to exist, not because there are some stupid people out there who fall into them. If everyone followed your advice, we'd pollute our way into extinction, because there'd be no teachers or janitors or trashmen, etc.


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    #22353612 - 10/09/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No shame in flipping burgers.  I've worked in a lot of restaurants.  Sometimes I was paid well and sometimes I was desperate and was paid shit.  My work reflected how well I was paid.

Believe it or not if we treat burger flippers and ditch diggers as human beings instead of the dredges of society they'll do a better job!

Also I want to reply to HU's dumb fucking meme.

Republicans collect welfare too!  In fact, more than Democrats!





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    #22355072 - 10/09/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay then, republicans collect more welfare, we are demonized, but when republicans call for welfare reform, we are demonized, personally I don't care what you "think" your ideology is, what state you live in, or how you vote, if you abuse the system, I want your benefits cut off...


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    #22355091 - 10/09/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay then, republicans collect more welfare, we are demonized, but when republicans call for welfare reform, we are demonized, personally I don't care what you "think" your ideology is, what state you live in, or how you vote, if you abuse the system, I want your benefits cut off...




Then why pretend Obama supporters are all welfare queens if you can recognize that abuse crosses party and even ideological boundaries?


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    #22355284 - 10/09/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Okay then, republicans collect more welfare, we are demonized, but when republicans call for welfare reform, we are demonized, personally I don't care what you "think" your ideology is, what state you live in, or how you vote, if you abuse the system, I want your benefits cut off...




Then why pretend Obama supporters are all welfare queens if you can recognize that abuse crosses party and even ideological boundaries?




Um, I never said that... A large percentage of them are, no doubt, I just don't want the socialist dystopia him and his supporters are trying to impose...


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    #22355344 - 10/09/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How do you figure a large percentage of Obama supporters are welfare queens?  I just showed that welfare states predominantly vote Republican.

As far as what you said or didn't say, I was a replying to your stupid boot meme.


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    #22355621 - 10/09/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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How do you figure a large percentage of Obama supporters are welfare queens?  I just showed that welfare states predominantly vote Republican.

As far as what you said or didn't say, I was a replying to your stupid boot meme.




If he didn't have a large welfare base, he wouldn't have been elected, all his rhetoric before his election, and then gets elected, I knew America was probably lost... I just hope enough people have seen the light...

And there are those... Not naming names that are here, that may not be on welfare but certainly support a large welfare state... And you KNOW that's true...


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    #22355623 - 10/09/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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badchad said:
My thoughts:

The vast majority of wealth is concentrated in the 1%.

By definition, if this was redistributed (via communism), life would improve for the 99%. Once they realize this, it'll make perfect sense.




Exactly.

But some of our resident economic geniuses think if everyone works hard enough, we can all be hedge fund managers, CEOs, and Facebook inventors.




^No wonder why we have ditch diggers and burger flippers.





And the boot meme wasn't mine, goes to show how much you pay attention, do you study politics like you read forums?


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    #22355697 - 10/09/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what a joke some of these opinions are. I've posted this before but my pinko ass owns a painting business, I work manual labor a good thirty hours a week plus manage and bid jobs. Your lazy judgements about "liberals" (quoted because y'alls definition of the word is based in the terribly inaccurate american meta) are merely personal hang ups you have. When say things like that, higher thinkers just hear "wahhhhh wahhh ppl aren't working as hard as I think I do and are getting things wahhhhhhhhh".


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The Ecstatic said:
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badchad said:
My thoughts:

The vast majority of wealth is concentrated in the 1%.

By definition, if this was redistributed (via communism), life would improve for the 99%. Once they realize this, it'll make perfect sense.




Exactly.

But some of our resident economic geniuses think if everyone works hard enough, we can all be hedge fund managers, CEOs, and Facebook inventors.




^No wonder why we have ditch diggers and burger flippers.





And the boot meme wasn't mine, goes to show how much you pay attention, do you study politics like you read forums?




My bad.  I went on a rampage this morning before I had my coffee.  I could have done without the snipe though.  I'm trying really hard to be nice to you.


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    #22355723 - 10/09/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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what a joke some of these opinions are. I've posted this before but my pinko ass owns a painting business, I work manual labor a good thirty hours a week plus manage and bid jobs. Your lazy judgements about "liberals" (quoted because y'alls definition of the word is based in the terribly inaccurate american meta) are merely personal hang ups you have. When say things like that, higher thinkers just hear "wahhhhh wahhh ppl aren't working as hard as I think I do and are getting things wahhhhhhhhh".




Oh, "higher thinkers"??? What a crock of shit, you wanna give all your wealth to them? Be my guest, but keep your greedy paws off my paycheck...


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    #22355742 - 10/09/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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My bad.  I went on a rampage this morning before I had my coffee.  I could have done without the snipe though.  I'm trying really hard to be nice to you.




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    #22355814 - 10/09/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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what a joke some of these opinions are. I've posted this before but my pinko ass owns a painting business, I work manual labor a good thirty hours a week plus manage and bid jobs. Your lazy judgements about "liberals" (quoted because y'alls definition of the word is based in the terribly inaccurate american meta) are merely personal hang ups you have. When say things like that, higher thinkers just hear "wahhhhh wahhh ppl aren't working as hard as I think I do and are getting things wahhhhhhhhh".




Oh, "higher thinkers"??? What a crock of shit, you wanna give all your wealth to them? Be my guest, but keep your greedy paws off my paycheck...





it's the simplest, least offensive, on the fly term I could think of for intellectuals, educated folks, you know not folks that base all their ideas off ignorant and reactionary blaming.


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    #22355836 - 10/09/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Blame? Obama said he wouldn't raise my taxes and the bastard did and does every chance he gets. Who else should I blame but him and every douche who voted for him?


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Blame? Obama said he wouldn't raise my taxes and the bastard did and does every chance he gets. Who else should I blame but him and every douche who voted for him?





you could start with the long line of neo-cons that did the same before him


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Blame? Obama said he wouldn't raise my taxes and the bastard did and does every chance he gets. Who else should I blame but him and every douche who voted for him?





you could start with the long line of neo-cons that did the same before him




Bush cut my taxes, Obama and his democrat congress raised them, repeatedly

I wasn't a taxpayer before Clinton...


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    #22357405 - 10/10/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Uhmmm.. "Red State"?



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What's your point bruh?


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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.


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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/

He also seems to be asserting that blacks predominantly voted for Obama.  Which may be true.  But his map also shows that several of the states with the most blacks Obama did not win during the election.

In fact, all the states with the highest density of blacks went red in 2012.

http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/all/president/#.VhlJcPlViko

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No shame in flipping burgers.  I've worked in a lot of restaurants.  Sometimes I was paid well and sometimes I was desperate and was paid shit.  My work reflected how well I was paid.

Believe it or not if we treat burger flippers and ditch diggers as human beings instead of the dredges of society they'll do a better job!

Also I want to reply to HU's dumb fucking meme.

Republicans collect welfare too!  In fact, more than Democrats!









Just goes to show that the one-size-fits-all, big government approach doesn't work, eh? :wink:


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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.


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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.




uhhh how exactly do the words "on average" play out to make the statistics false?

so assuming you're correct in this let's look at what importance this point may hold. Why would one want to point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with? The next logical step would be to assume the individual is attempting to set up data to equate that "the other race" is at fault by ipso facto being a member of that race. However the logic of the argument unravels by assessing that not all members of that race may share the "unwanted qualities" (that is of needing assistance). Now the point turns into pinpointing lifestyle choices of others that could lead to the "unwanted quality". At this point I hope it's blatant that your pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others mostly on things out of their control.


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Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.




uhhh how exactly do the words "on average" play out to make the statistics false?

so assuming you're correct in this let's look at what importance this point may hold. Why would one want to point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with? The next logical step would be to assume the individual is attempting to set up data to equate that "the other race" is at fault by ipso facto being a member of that race. However the logic of the argument unravels by assessing that not all members of that race may share the "unwanted qualities" (that is of needing assistance). Now the point turns into pinpointing lifestyle choices of others that could lead to the "unwanted quality". At this point I hope it's blatant that your pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others mostly on things out of their control.



You and paperback really aren't too smart. Perhaps you should look up what an average is. 70+% of the pop is white and they collect 40% of the overall snap benefits. Thanks for proving my point that whites use welfare at a vastly lower rate than any other race.


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Didn't over 90%+ of blacks vote dem in the last two generals?


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Didn't over 90%+ of blacks vote dem in the last two generals?





please source your information.


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Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.




uhhh how exactly do the words "on average" play out to make the statistics false?

so assuming you're correct in this let's look at what importance this point may hold. Why would one want to point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with? The next logical step would be to assume the individual is attempting to set up data to equate that "the other race" is at fault by ipso facto being a member of that race. However the logic of the argument unravels by assessing that not all members of that race may share the "unwanted qualities" (that is of needing assistance). Now the point turns into pinpointing lifestyle choices of others that could lead to the "unwanted quality". At this point I hope it's blatant that your pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others mostly on things out of their control.



You and paperback really aren't too smart. Perhaps you should look up what an average is. 70+% of the pop is white and they collect 40% of the overall snap benefits. Thanks for proving my point that whites use welfare at a vastly lower rate than any other race.




alright guy, I'll forget the ad-hominem attack but I doesn't go unnoticed.

Let's say you're correct. now please re-read this and tell me of what great importance would that stat hold outside being able to place blame on a race or lifestyle choice you personally don't like?

"Why would one want to point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with? The next logical step would be to assume the individual is attempting to set up data to equate that "the other race" is at fault by ipso facto being a member of that race. However the logic of the argument unravels by assessing that not all members of that race may share the "unwanted qualities" (that is of needing assistance). Now the point turns into pinpointing lifestyle choices of others that could lead to the "unwanted quality". At this point I hope it's blatant that your pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others mostly on things out of their control."


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Well, it is a generally known and accepted fact, but here.




http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/09/blacks-outvoted-whites-in-2012-the-first-time-on-record/





I found only this to half-way support your claim "According to CNN exit polls, 93% of African-Americans, 71% of Hispanics and 73% of Asians supported Obama over Romney."

however the article you found mostly discusses the average turn out by race for only the last presidential election, so by saying the last two you are misrepresenting your source and then presenting it as generally accepted knowledge.


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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.




uhhh how exactly do the words "on average" play out to make the statistics false?

so assuming you're correct in this let's look at what importance this point may hold. Why would one want to point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with? The next logical step would be to assume the individual is attempting to set up data to equate that "the other race" is at fault by ipso facto being a member of that race. However the logic of the argument unravels by assessing that not all members of that race may share the "unwanted qualities" (that is of needing assistance). Now the point turns into pinpointing lifestyle choices of others that could lead to the "unwanted quality". At this point I hope it's blatant that your pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others mostly on things out of their control.




"Why would one want point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with?"

It's called collecting data, just because you don't like the findings of this research doesn't mean there's some sort of agenda behind it.

"pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others"

Aren't you being defensive, there's plenty of value to the data.  Maybe it shows something that is very important to the group like the lack of a family unit, or is that too "judgmental" or "out of their control"?

You line of reasoning is like a liberal, if you don't like the reality of a situation, just ignore it and act like it doesn't exist. :huxleyfacepalm:


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    #22359411 - 10/10/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you can cross paths w other arguments to validate yourself but you're still dancing around why does it matter here? I'd go as far as to say it doesn't matter if they're R/D either. It's useless labels that are time and time again used to pigeonhole entire groups of people for the strawman blame.

you just love to label and judge, it's cool. not really but whatever.


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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/

He also seems to be asserting that blacks predominantly voted for Obama.  Which may be true.  But his map also shows that several of the states with the most blacks Obama did not win during the election.

In fact, all the states with the highest density of blacks went red in 2012.

http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/all/president/#.VhlJcPlViko

Bruh's meme is bullshit.




Exactly.

If we didn't use our antiquated electoral college system he might have a point, but even if every single black person in Texas voted for Obama it didn't matter one bit.


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you can cross paths w other arguments to validate yourself but you're still dancing around why does it matter here? I'd go as far as to say it doesn't matter if they're R/D either. It's useless labels that are time and time again used to pigeonhole entire groups of people for the strawman blame.

you just love to label and judge, it's cool. not really but whatever.




I'm not blaming or labeling anyone, I think it's sad that over 50 million Americans need and qualify for food stamp assistance.

For the record I do like this program, while there are cases of abuse, I think this social service is direct investment into the domestic economy.

If more blacks receive food stamps relative to the general population, so what?  One is capable of drawing their own conclusions from the findings.

You're very defensive about these facts because you're prejudging the people on how they're going to interrupt the findings, maybe there are lifestyle choices correlated to these findings, is that such a terrible realization?


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    #22359849 - 10/10/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Social assistance is socialism!

Ok so let's raise the minimum wage and invest in education.

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you can cross paths w other arguments to validate yourself but you're still dancing around why does it matter here? I'd go as far as to say it doesn't matter if they're R/D either. It's useless labels that are time and time again used to pigeonhole entire groups of people for the strawman blame.

you just love to label and judge, it's cool. not really but whatever.




I'm not blaming or labeling anyone, I think it's sad that over 50 million Americans need and qualify for food stamp assistance.

For the record I do like this program, while there are cases of abuse, I think this social service is direct investment into the domestic economy.

If more blacks receive food stamps relative to the general population, so what?  One is capable of drawing their own conclusions from the findings.

You're very defensive about these facts because you're prejudging the people on how they're going to interrupt the findings, maybe there are lifestyle choices correlated to these findings, is that such a terrible realization?




qman, even though we fundamentally disagree for the most part, I appreciate your thought out responses. you're right I was prejudging and typing before thinking fully. I do think that it's a slippery slope to blame lifestyle choices. I think that negative lifestyle choices (drug addiction, credit card debts and some of the like) don't have a place in considering whether a human (esp one supporting others) should go with out necessities. However in the end, race is never a lifestyle issue and statistical data based on race in relation to welfare programs esp in the manner it was first presented here leave very little to interpretation .


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His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.




I didn't say it was a stereotype.  I asked BB what his point was and the retort from another poster was blacks collect more (per capita would have been better than on average but whatever) welfare than whites.  I replied that whites collect more welfare overall.

All of this was as though it proved BB's original meme, which basically claimed that people only voted for Obama because of welfare.  When we look at the states Obama won though it was primarily states that did not match his black population density map and in fact was mostly states that don't themselves collect much welfare.

In other words, he's yet to prove that his original meme was anything but mindless bullshit with no basis in fact.


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    #22362848 - 10/11/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

But how can we prop up the "welfare queen minorities enslaved by liberals" trope if we accept that the average welfare recipient is a white Christian in a red state?


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