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Re: Can we all agree [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22357405 - 10/10/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Uhmmm.. "Red State"?



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Re: Can we all agree [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22357839 - 10/10/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What's your point bruh?


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: paperbackwriter] * 1
    #22358227 - 10/10/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22358724 - 10/10/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/

He also seems to be asserting that blacks predominantly voted for Obama.  Which may be true.  But his map also shows that several of the states with the most blacks Obama did not win during the election.

In fact, all the states with the highest density of blacks went red in 2012.

http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/all/president/#.VhlJcPlViko

Bruh's meme is bullshit.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22358902 - 10/10/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No shame in flipping burgers.  I've worked in a lot of restaurants.  Sometimes I was paid well and sometimes I was desperate and was paid shit.  My work reflected how well I was paid.

Believe it or not if we treat burger flippers and ditch diggers as human beings instead of the dredges of society they'll do a better job!

Also I want to reply to HU's dumb fucking meme.

Republicans collect welfare too!  In fact, more than Democrats!









Just goes to show that the one-size-fits-all, big government approach doesn't work, eh? :wink:


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: paperbackwriter] * 1
    #22358945 - 10/10/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: qman]
    #22359019 - 10/10/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.




uhhh how exactly do the words "on average" play out to make the statistics false?

so assuming you're correct in this let's look at what importance this point may hold. Why would one want to point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with? The next logical step would be to assume the individual is attempting to set up data to equate that "the other race" is at fault by ipso facto being a member of that race. However the logic of the argument unravels by assessing that not all members of that race may share the "unwanted qualities" (that is of needing assistance). Now the point turns into pinpointing lifestyle choices of others that could lead to the "unwanted quality". At this point I hope it's blatant that your pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others mostly on things out of their control.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay] * 1
    #22359177 - 10/10/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.




uhhh how exactly do the words "on average" play out to make the statistics false?

so assuming you're correct in this let's look at what importance this point may hold. Why would one want to point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with? The next logical step would be to assume the individual is attempting to set up data to equate that "the other race" is at fault by ipso facto being a member of that race. However the logic of the argument unravels by assessing that not all members of that race may share the "unwanted qualities" (that is of needing assistance). Now the point turns into pinpointing lifestyle choices of others that could lead to the "unwanted quality". At this point I hope it's blatant that your pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others mostly on things out of their control.



You and paperback really aren't too smart. Perhaps you should look up what an average is. 70+% of the pop is white and they collect 40% of the overall snap benefits. Thanks for proving my point that whites use welfare at a vastly lower rate than any other race.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: paperbackwriter] * 1
    #22359181 - 10/10/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Didn't over 90%+ of blacks vote dem in the last two generals?


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22359184 - 10/10/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Didn't over 90%+ of blacks vote dem in the last two generals?





please source your information.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay] * 1
    #22359195 - 10/10/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22359203 - 10/10/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.




uhhh how exactly do the words "on average" play out to make the statistics false?

so assuming you're correct in this let's look at what importance this point may hold. Why would one want to point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with? The next logical step would be to assume the individual is attempting to set up data to equate that "the other race" is at fault by ipso facto being a member of that race. However the logic of the argument unravels by assessing that not all members of that race may share the "unwanted qualities" (that is of needing assistance). Now the point turns into pinpointing lifestyle choices of others that could lead to the "unwanted quality". At this point I hope it's blatant that your pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others mostly on things out of their control.



You and paperback really aren't too smart. Perhaps you should look up what an average is. 70+% of the pop is white and they collect 40% of the overall snap benefits. Thanks for proving my point that whites use welfare at a vastly lower rate than any other race.




alright guy, I'll forget the ad-hominem attack but I doesn't go unnoticed.

Let's say you're correct. now please re-read this and tell me of what great importance would that stat hold outside being able to place blame on a race or lifestyle choice you personally don't like?

"Why would one want to point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with? The next logical step would be to assume the individual is attempting to set up data to equate that "the other race" is at fault by ipso facto being a member of that race. However the logic of the argument unravels by assessing that not all members of that race may share the "unwanted qualities" (that is of needing assistance). Now the point turns into pinpointing lifestyle choices of others that could lead to the "unwanted quality". At this point I hope it's blatant that your pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others mostly on things out of their control."


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
    #22359216 - 10/10/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, it is a generally known and accepted fact, but here.




http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/09/blacks-outvoted-whites-in-2012-the-first-time-on-record/





I found only this to half-way support your claim "According to CNN exit polls, 93% of African-Americans, 71% of Hispanics and 73% of Asians supported Obama over Romney."

however the article you found mostly discusses the average turn out by race for only the last presidential election, so by saying the last two you are misrepresenting your source and then presenting it as generally accepted knowledge.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay]
    #22359366 - 10/10/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.




uhhh how exactly do the words "on average" play out to make the statistics false?

so assuming you're correct in this let's look at what importance this point may hold. Why would one want to point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with? The next logical step would be to assume the individual is attempting to set up data to equate that "the other race" is at fault by ipso facto being a member of that race. However the logic of the argument unravels by assessing that not all members of that race may share the "unwanted qualities" (that is of needing assistance). Now the point turns into pinpointing lifestyle choices of others that could lead to the "unwanted quality". At this point I hope it's blatant that your pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others mostly on things out of their control.




"Why would one want point out and use a statistic that is based on the race of a group they do not identify with?"

It's called collecting data, just because you don't like the findings of this research doesn't mean there's some sort of agenda behind it.

"pursuance of this point is of zero value other than to personally judge others"

Aren't you being defensive, there's plenty of value to the data.  Maybe it shows something that is very important to the group like the lack of a family unit, or is that too "judgmental" or "out of their control"?

You line of reasoning is like a liberal, if you don't like the reality of a situation, just ignore it and act like it doesn't exist. :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: qman]
    #22359411 - 10/10/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you can cross paths w other arguments to validate yourself but you're still dancing around why does it matter here? I'd go as far as to say it doesn't matter if they're R/D either. It's useless labels that are time and time again used to pigeonhole entire groups of people for the strawman blame.

you just love to label and judge, it's cool. not really but whatever.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22359589 - 10/10/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/

He also seems to be asserting that blacks predominantly voted for Obama.  Which may be true.  But his map also shows that several of the states with the most blacks Obama did not win during the election.

In fact, all the states with the highest density of blacks went red in 2012.

http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/all/president/#.VhlJcPlViko

Bruh's meme is bullshit.




Exactly.

If we didn't use our antiquated electoral college system he might have a point, but even if every single black person in Texas voted for Obama it didn't matter one bit.


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay]
    #22359636 - 10/10/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you can cross paths w other arguments to validate yourself but you're still dancing around why does it matter here? I'd go as far as to say it doesn't matter if they're R/D either. It's useless labels that are time and time again used to pigeonhole entire groups of people for the strawman blame.

you just love to label and judge, it's cool. not really but whatever.




I'm not blaming or labeling anyone, I think it's sad that over 50 million Americans need and qualify for food stamp assistance.

For the record I do like this program, while there are cases of abuse, I think this social service is direct investment into the domestic economy.

If more blacks receive food stamps relative to the general population, so what?  One is capable of drawing their own conclusions from the findings.

You're very defensive about these facts because you're prejudging the people on how they're going to interrupt the findings, maybe there are lifestyle choices correlated to these findings, is that such a terrible realization?


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: qman]
    #22359849 - 10/10/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Social assistance is socialism!

Ok so let's raise the minimum wage and invest in education.

That's socialism!!!!!!


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: qman]
    #22359907 - 10/10/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you can cross paths w other arguments to validate yourself but you're still dancing around why does it matter here? I'd go as far as to say it doesn't matter if they're R/D either. It's useless labels that are time and time again used to pigeonhole entire groups of people for the strawman blame.

you just love to label and judge, it's cool. not really but whatever.




I'm not blaming or labeling anyone, I think it's sad that over 50 million Americans need and qualify for food stamp assistance.

For the record I do like this program, while there are cases of abuse, I think this social service is direct investment into the domestic economy.

If more blacks receive food stamps relative to the general population, so what?  One is capable of drawing their own conclusions from the findings.

You're very defensive about these facts because you're prejudging the people on how they're going to interrupt the findings, maybe there are lifestyle choices correlated to these findings, is that such a terrible realization?




qman, even though we fundamentally disagree for the most part, I appreciate your thought out responses. you're right I was prejudging and typing before thinking fully. I do think that it's a slippery slope to blame lifestyle choices. I think that negative lifestyle choices (drug addiction, credit card debts and some of the like) don't have a place in considering whether a human (esp one supporting others) should go with out necessities. However in the end, race is never a lifestyle issue and statistical data based on race in relation to welfare programs esp in the manner it was first presented here leave very little to interpretation .


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Re: Can we all agree [Re: qman]
    #22362729 - 10/11/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
What's your point bruh?



His point is that blacks collect, on average, more welfare than whites. And he's completely right.




Whites collect more welfare overall.  Nearly double what blacks do and 40% of all SNAP benefits overall.

http://madamenoire.com/515370/stereotype-debunked-whites-receive-food-stamps-blacks/






Did you miss the part where he said "on average"? 

If blacks receive welfare or food stamps at a huge disproportional level, that isn't a stereotype, it's a fact.




I didn't say it was a stereotype.  I asked BB what his point was and the retort from another poster was blacks collect more (per capita would have been better than on average but whatever) welfare than whites.  I replied that whites collect more welfare overall.

All of this was as though it proved BB's original meme, which basically claimed that people only voted for Obama because of welfare.  When we look at the states Obama won though it was primarily states that did not match his black population density map and in fact was mostly states that don't themselves collect much welfare.

In other words, he's yet to prove that his original meme was anything but mindless bullshit with no basis in fact.


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