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Can we all agree
#22333874 - 10/04/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That communism will never work in the real world.
Communism is like religion IMO. Some people try to make the case that religion has its place in the world when it unifies people without causing division. Well this only can happen on paper, and it doesn'the apply to the real world. The positivity gained from unification is always less than the negativity casued by division and discrimination. Just like communism. Sounds alright on paper, totally unrealistic.
Agreed? Agreed.
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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
#22333907 - 10/04/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed.
There are few Bernie types on this forum that might not agree
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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
#22333912 - 10/04/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed
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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
#22333915 - 10/04/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, not agreed
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Agreed, it's great in theory, and that's where it's supporters live, in the theoretical realm, they believe that if just the right people are in charge, it could work, but history has shown that it leads to misery...
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If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.
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what exactly are you referring to in your blanket "communism"? where has it been put into practices; and what were it's failures as both a whole to it's society and as systemic/intrinsic to (insert your blanket communism definition)?
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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay]
#22334443 - 10/04/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whoa whoa whoa, I don't want my insight to be any deeper than simple word association.
Communism bad, capitalism good. That's easy, that I can wrap my head around.
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The Ecstatic said: If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.
Exactly what we would do if we had the guts. 
But the real world doesn't work like that, people are frightened and they need all these things. IMO we would be naturally living in a communist society if we were all living in accordance with human nature but we're all a bunch of psychopaths (exceptions to about one in ten thousand) so that won't work.
In my experience most people use it so they can avoid trying to change themselves and pretend society is at fault for all their problems.
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The Ecstatic said: If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.
Exactly what we would do if we had the guts. 
But the real world doesn't work like that, people are frightened and they need all these things. IMO we would be naturally living in a communist society if we were all living in accordance with human nature but we're all a bunch of psychopaths (exceptions to about one in ten thousand) so that won't work.
Rape and murder and theft are all in accordance with human nature, don't sugar coat it.
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The Ecstatic said: If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.
Human nature actually exists though. You seem to be making the point that communism would in fact work if it didn't cause friction with human nature. Well news flash, it does, and always will. Human nature will remain constant and embedded in reality and communism will remain a theory that only works on paper and has no realistic application.
Economic philosophies absolutely do apply though, and we see them work every single day, unlike communism.
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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay]
#22335804 - 10/05/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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airclay said: what exactly are you referring to in your blanket "communism"? where has it been put into practices; and what were it's failures as both a whole to it's society and as systemic/intrinsic to (insert your blanket communism definition)?
It was put into practice in the USSR. It's failure is that the USSR ceases to exist and the people of Russia lived in poverty and oppression when it did exist.
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The Ecstatic said: Whoa whoa whoa, I don't want my insight to be any deeper than simple word association.
Communism bad, capitalism good. That's easy, that I can wrap my head around.
Perhaps you should educate yourself further than that. Because if that truly is the extent of your understading, you're fucking dumb m8.
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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said:
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The Ecstatic said: If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.
Human nature actually exists though. You seem to be making the point that communism would in fact work if it didn't cause friction with human nature. Well news flash, it does, and always will. Human nature will remain constant and embedded in reality and communism will remain a theory that only works on paper and has no realistic application.
Economic philosophies absolutely do apply though, and we see them work every single day, unlike communism.
News flash: that's exactly my point.
Also, communism IS an economic philosophy.
Another person discounting something g they don't even understand.
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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said:
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The Ecstatic said: Whoa whoa whoa, I don't want my insight to be any deeper than simple word association.
Communism bad, capitalism good. That's easy, that I can wrap my head around.
Perhaps you should educate yourself further than that. Because if that truly is the extent of your understading, you're fucking dumb m8.
I thought I laid the sarcasm on pretty thick, apparently some of you are thicker than that.
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Webster10 said:
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The Ecstatic said: If you want to discount a theory based on the fact that it causes friction with human nature then you might as well throw all philosopjy, religion, economics, and social theory right into the same dumpster.
Human nature actually exists though. You seem to be making the point that communism would in fact work if it didn't cause friction with human nature. Well news flash, it does, and always will. Human nature will remain constant and embedded in reality and communism will remain a theory that only works on paper and has no realistic application.
Economic philosophies absolutely do apply though, and we see them work every single day, unlike communism.
News flash: that's exactly my point.
Also, communism IS an economic philosophy.
Another person discounting something g they don't even understand. 
The way you worded it made it seem like you didn't believe any economic philosophy is applicable. But some are. Communism isn't.
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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
#22336023 - 10/05/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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airclay said: what exactly are you referring to in your blanket "communism"? where has it been put into practices; and what were it's failures as both a whole to it's society and as systemic/intrinsic to (insert your blanket communism definition)?
It was put into practice in the USSR. It's failure is that the USSR ceases to exist and the people of Russia lived in poverty and oppression when it did exist.
are you reading a 9th grade history book?
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The Ecstatic said: Whoa whoa whoa, I don't want my insight to be any deeper than simple word association.
Communism bad, capitalism good. That's easy, that I can wrap my head around.
Perhaps you should educate yourself further than that. Because if that truly is the extent of your understading, you're fucking dumb m8.
I thought I laid the sarcasm on pretty thick, apparently some of you are thicker than that.
I thought I did too.
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Re: Can we all agree [Re: airclay]
#22336026 - 10/05/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Webster10 said:
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airclay said: what exactly are you referring to in your blanket "communism"? where has it been put into practices; and what were it's failures as both a whole to it's society and as systemic/intrinsic to (insert your blanket communism definition)?
It was put into practice in the USSR. It's failure is that the USSR ceases to exist and the people of Russia lived in poverty and oppression when it did exist.
are you reading a 9th grade history book?
Intelligent point you raise. Let me rebut. You're a stupid head!
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Re: Can we all agree [Re: Webster10]
#22336056 - 10/05/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Communism is a critique of Capitalism. Marx saw the good and the bad in Capitalism and believed we could do better.
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Webster10 said: Economic philosophies absolutely do apply though, and we see them work every single day, unlike communism.
Communism is an economic philosophy. As far as it working in the real world the average household is a form of communism.
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Think of a newborn infant. They take and do nothing. As they grow older they start to do chores around the house. When they get a bit bigger they might help out on the family farm or business or help their aging grandfather who is no longer able to take care of himself.
When the kid gets older and starts his own family his own kids will contribute, as they're able, in the same fashion.
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