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The Doobie Dude said: I just cant wait when Bernie wins and America becomes awesome for zappa to still be talking shit about him
America will go to shit if he is elected.
People say that about every guy who wants to be president, and have said so SINCE THE FOUNDING OF THE UNITED STATES!
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daytripper05 said: Ok, so lets actually get critical of Bernie and look at his hypocrisies.
1. Bernie's entire platform is based on the same far left rethoric as Obama's "hope and change" mantra. It's all about the 1%, raising taxes, increasing government spending, helping the poor (which they are calling the middle class), and blaming long time corporate interest groups. Sound familiar?
We've had 8 years of that bullshit and out country is worse off than when Bush left it.
Nobody should take anything you say seriously after that last sentence. What a fucking joke.
I posted a number of very specific and critical points at Bernie's hypocrisy. I can't take you seriously when you rebuttal a statement with "what a fucking joke" yet fail to give any specifics or counter points. You also berate people in the thread by saying "I think it's fair to say that there is a general lack of political sophistication on the shroomery.", all because people don't agree with your far left ideology.
What I find extremely ironic is I can criticize any candidate. I can be critical of any of them, including the ones I would vote for. Yet liberals can't give a single piece of criticism towards their base and their party leaders. If you talk to liberals, Obama was the best president to ever walk the planet. Hilary is a sweet and honest lady. Joe Biden was a terrific VP. It's all GOP bashing all the time. Hypocrisy.
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daytripper05 said: Ok, so lets actually get critical of Bernie and look at his hypocrisies.
1. Bernie's entire platform is based on the same far left rethoric as Obama's "hope and change" mantra. It's all about the 1%, raising taxes, increasing government spending, helping the poor (which they are calling the middle class), and blaming long time corporate interest groups. Sound familiar?
We've had 8 years of that bullshit and out country is worse off than when Bush left it.
Nobody should take anything you say seriously after that last sentence. What a fucking joke.
I posted a number of very specific and critical points at Bernie's hypocrisy. I can't take you seriously when you rebuttal a statement with "what a fucking joke" yet fail to give any specifics or counter points. You also berate people in the thread by saying "I think it's fair to say that there is a general lack of political sophistication on the shroomery.", all because people don't agree with your far left ideology.
What I find extremely ironic is I can criticize any candidate. I can be critical of any of them, including the ones I would vote for. Yet liberals can't give a single piece of criticism towards their base and their party leaders. If you talk to liberals, Obama was the best president to ever walk the planet. Hilary is a sweet and honest lady. Joe Biden was a terrific VP. It's all GOP bashing all the time. Hypocrisy.
This bi-partisan thinking you're doing is exactly why America will not be great again.
Just saying, it's none of my business, but I'm just saying.
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Hope you are being sarcastic. Lol.
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Turtletotem
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I'm serious.
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@daytripper I hope you are.
You act like everyone here is an Obama loving liberal, when in actuality I can't think of any liberal here who loves Obama, and probably all of them have levied their criticisms one way or another.
It's always the ones who claim to be above the two party nonsense that consistently fall into its trap.
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Re: Bernie Sanders [Re: twighead]
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twighead said: Like what in particular? I'm curious since I haven't seen anything that stood out to me yet.
then you havent bothered to look
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The Ecstatic said: @daytripper I hope you are.
You act like everyone here is an Obama loving liberal, when in actuality I can't think of any liberal here who loves Obama, and probably all of them have levied their criticisms one way or another.
It's always the ones who claim to be above the two party nonsense that consistently fall into its trap.
that's because it's no longer popular to support obama, we had 6 years of liberals riding obama's dick, especially about the legalization of drugs and receiving free shit, it hasnt happened for them so now they're all butthurt and have decided to go home
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The Ecstatic said: It's always the ones who claim to be above the two party nonsense that consistently fall into its trap.
I don't really understand this statement, nor do I understand how it applies to me. Voting for less taxes, less government spending, and more freedoms isn't a trap one falls into. I also make legitimate points about Bernie, yet the only thing people do is attempt to discredit my opinion by talking partisanship. I wasn't even comparing parties in my original point. I was actually talking about real things that Bernie has (or hasn't) stated in his speeches.
I'm not a Bernie fan at all, yet I've watched many of his speeches. The points I made are very real. He completely refuses to criticize any of the policy decisions from the Left. He is in support of giving Iran $150 billion dollars and we didn't even get 4 US prisoners. Literally anyone who thinks the Iran deal is good is ignoring the facts and just playing the political game that is hurting our country. Yet none even wants to acknowledge these points and default to same old washed out talking points we've heard for last 8 years.
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Prisoner#1 said: that's because it's no longer popular to support obama, we had 6 years of liberals riding obama's dick, especially about the legalization of drugs and receiving free shit, it hasnt happened for them so now they're all butthurt and have decided to go home

Piz for prez 2016.
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Your only criticisms are based on partisanship.
"Bernie's platform is similar to Obama's, and since they're both running as Democrats and Obama lied, that means Bernie is lying too."
As far as the Iran deal goes, maybe you should step outside your echo chamber for a minute, because everyone except Netanyahu and the warhawks in Congress support that deal. Virtually the entirety of the UN support it.
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The Ecstatic said: Your only criticisms are based on partisanship.
"Bernie's platform is similar to Obama's, and since they're both running as Democrats and Obama lied, that means Bernie is lying too."
As far as the Iran deal goes, maybe you should step outside your echo chamber for a minute, because everyone except Netanyahu and the warhawks in Congress support that deal. Virtually the entirety of the UN support it.
Even more important, I, Turtletotem, support it as well. Everybody who went to Iran always comes back telling stories how unlike anything the media told us that country is!
Did you know the Zarathrusta fire faith is alive and well there in Iran? That shit is older than Judaism! The embargo against Iran was criminal and in the Netherlands many people are happy that a trade partnership that was centuries old can finally be resumed again.
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Ok dude... Like I said, most people are missing critical thinking skills. You are missing the entire point.
So just because everyone else supports a deal the American people never got a chance to read, I should also support it? Also, congress didn't get to vote on it. The "deal" is essentially a treaty, which needs a 2/3's majority vote in Congress. Obama literally uses semantics and calls it something else to avoid the "warhawks" of congress. Which is entirely hypocritical to say when your rebuttal to me is based on my "partisanship"... Yet just because you disagree with the congressional majority, you call them "warhawks" because they disagree with just about everything Obama does. Until you get political hacks like the House Majority leader caving in as soon as the pressure builds. Boehner is a horrible politician, no defending him.
So the American people have no idea what is really in the entire Iran deal. Congress doesn't even know what's in the side deals. We trust Iran to inspect themselves. We didn't get any of our POW's back. We give the largest country of state sponsored terror a $150B. Days after getting the deal they chant "Death to America" and state that after they get the money their dealings with the US is done. People that won't objectively look into the facts of the issue are basically just proved my point tip toeing around the actual issues. The UN is a joke and will basically bend to whatever the US president says, we fund like 80% of the UN anyway.
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daytripper05 said: Ok dude... Like I said, most people are missing critical thinking skills. You are missing the entire point.
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So just because everyone else supports a deal the American people never got a chance to read, I should also support it?
Non sequitur much? I'm not saying that at all. You're the one who said "literally anyone who supports the Iran deal is ignoring the facts," even when you just admitted you don't know the facts.
So yeah, I'd probably defer to the experts instead of thinking I better understand an agreement that I haven't even read.
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So unless you get everything you want in a deal, you don't want a deal. Perfection is the enemy of the good. That's not how deals work
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So just because everyone else supports a deal the American people never got a chance to read, I should also support it?
Non sequitur much? I'm not saying that at all. You're the one who said "literally anyone who supports the Iran deal is ignoring the facts," even when you just admitted you don't know the facts.
So yeah, I'd probably defer to the experts instead of thinking I better understand an agreement that I haven't even read.
We have a representative government. The American people don't get to vote on "deals"
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Re: Bernie Sanders [Re: koods]
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koods said: So unless you get everything you want in a deal, you don't want a deal. Perfection is the enemy of the good. That's not how deals work
We literally didn't get a damn thing dude. What did we get as a nation in this deal? How is giving Iran $150B a good thin? We couldn't we at least get 4 prisoners back. We released 5 terrorist prisoners from Gitmo in exchange for 1 US traitor. That's a GREAT deal. 
The entire "negotiation" was a joke. It's a political maneuver so that Obama can add another bullet point to his legacy. "First US president in X years to successfully negotiate with Iran and make a deal." It was on the new last week that he was "The first US president to shake hands with Iran's leaders in X years".
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koods said: So unless you get everything you want in a deal, you don't want a deal. Perfection is the enemy of the good. That's not how deals work
We literally didn't get a damn thing dude. What did we get as a nation in this deal? How is giving Iran $150B a good thin? We couldn't we at least get 4 prisoners back. We released 5 terrorist prisoners from Gitmo in exchange for 1 US traitor. That's a GREAT deal. 
The entire "negotiation" was a joke. It's a political maneuver so that Obama can add another bullet point to his legacy. "First US president in X years to successfully negotiate with Iran and make a deal." It was on the new last week that he was "The first US president to shake hands with Iran's leaders in X years".
Gitmo was criminal. The embargo against Iran was criminal. We Europeans now have to take on these broken men your leaders illegally put away on foreign soil because it was against your own constitution to do so. They where tortured and raped, and too many of them turned out to be innocent.
Gitmo is an atrocity on par with the Russian shooting down MH17.
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koods said: So unless you get everything you want in a deal, you don't want a deal. Perfection is the enemy of the good. That's not how deals work
We literally didn't get a damn thing dude. What did we get as a nation in this deal? How is giving Iran $150B a good thin? We couldn't we at least get 4 prisoners back. We released 5 terrorist prisoners from Gitmo in exchange for 1 US traitor. That's a GREAT deal. 
The entire "negotiation" was a joke. It's a political maneuver so that Obama can add another bullet point to his legacy. "First US president in X years to successfully negotiate with Iran and make a deal." It was on the new last week that he was "The first US president to shake hands with Iran's leaders in X years".
First president since Reagan. Of course, reagans negotiations were completely illegal.
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