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soldatheero
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What is the one thing that can be know for certain? No metaphysics no philosophy no theory nothing what is the brute fact that cannot be denied? Think in regards to the question of the nature of reality.
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I'd say that the only thing I can truly know as an undeniable fact is that I exist. I might not exist in the sense that I think I do. Everything I experience might very well be a hallucination, but I nevertheless experience, and therefore I exist. Aside from that, I can just think and believe.
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Exactly. Being exists there is no question about it, our experience exists and we cannot deny this. So every scientist and philosopher trying to uncover the nature of reality should start from this point. We have experience and we are trying to explain that experience, that is the pursuit of knowledge.
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We know beyond certainty that we are aware, that we exist, yet when we question it cannot say with any certainty what exactly that existence is.
It's a bit of paradox, as we are all undeniably aware, yet at the same time unable to define what awareness is.
So i don't think we can know any thing for certain, at least not as we usually know things, as separate from ourselves. I feel that all i can know for certain is what i can not accept or reject as true or untrue, what is.
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soldatheero said: What is the one thing that can be know for certain? No metaphysics no philosophy no theory nothing what is the brute fact that cannot be denied? Think in regards to the question of the nature of reality.
nothing i can think of homey i can deny you exist  i can deny I exist  i can deny any word you put out there not that it matters you can just deny them back in a never ending denial
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Re: Knowledge [Re: Kickle]
#22380731 - 10/14/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL..I and you must understand that the Denial must reach a point where you don't exist at all...and than the supreme denial would be to never exist again..
True nihilism starts in a place and only ends in perfect nothingness..
I've tried to do everything to reduce myself to only the most little of everything little..
I actually realized that when I was reduced to a circle of light and i was that light..that the next step of being the Creator in perfect peace..was the only knowledge I knew..and I could not therefore understand anything else..
It was a revelation for me because I realized that the true knowledge of nothingness is what pure consciousness would be without any Data/information at all..
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Might be. I thought your post was good and similar to my experience
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Re: Knowledge [Re: Kickle]
#22380868 - 10/14/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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othing i can think of homey i can deny you exist  i can deny I exist  i can deny any word you put out there not that it matters you can just deny them back in a never ending denial
I don't agree with this. You can deny that "you" exist as a separate distinct self or deny your ego. What cannot be denied however is that there is an experience occurring, even if there is no distinct and continuous self. It is not reasonable to deny experience, it is self-evident. Even if you try to do so you have to acknowledge that denial of experience is at least occurring.
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turtles all the way down you can say you are experiencing something but that doesn't really say anything at all
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Re: Knowledge [Re: Kickle]
#22381055 - 10/14/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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what do you mean, if I told you I am experiencing that means nothing to you? Technically you can deny that other people have experience, its not a reasonable belief but it cannot actually be known directly. Your own personal experience on there hand, that you yourself are having an experience you cannot deny. If you think you can you are in some sort of intellectual trap or something or just aren't being honest with yourself.
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It means nothing to me. And that's a good thing IMO.
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Re: Knowledge [Re: Kickle]
#22381158 - 10/14/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can you elaborate? Not sure what you are getting at here.
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Nothing. I don't have a point. Simply: my answer to your question is experience is unknowable imo and that I'm good not knowing experience, not making it a thing to know, or even having it be pursuable as knowable. No sense in trying to experience experience sort of deal for me. That's one too many steps when I don't even need to step
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Re: Knowledge [Re: Kickle]
#22381301 - 10/14/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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"my answer to your question is experience is unknowable "
but what do you mean by know or not know experience, understand it? all I am saying is that we can identify that it exists.. we can all acknowledge that it is occurring and this cannot by any logic or reason be denied.
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Strangely the only reality is ecstasy or love. Somehow it goes unrecognized, and we generally mistreat each other, sometimes on a mass scale. It comes to the fore when the mind is silenced. I guess this is why religion was founded in the first place, to explain this to people, but has since stagnated into ... SOMETHING, ... I mean, I don't even know what religion is anymore. Why it's not now illegal is beyond me.
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