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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22330277 - 10/03/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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They've been trying to undermine the constitution for many years, it limits their power, but they don't see it that way, they just know better than us so we should just blindly follow along,




What you can't see is it isn't government power that's destroying America, it's the power of global multinational companies.  It's corporate power over reach.  Our Constitution is simply not built to deal with the level of corporate power we have today.  That kind of situation simply didn't exist in the 1700's ... and, in fact, the Founders were very suspicious of corporations and most states were very strict about what corporations could and couldn't do and limited their charters.  The regulation of corporations was MUCH STRICTER in the 1700's than it is today ...

You need to study history a bit to understand how we got to where we are today.  George Washington wanted to OUTLAW POLITICAL PARTIES completely ... how's that for government over reach?





When has the Coca-Cola company, or any company, tried to put people in jail? The fucking shitty government has done that: Put innocent people in jail. Yeah it's so horrible that corporations want to give us possessions, material things, while the Government wants to enslave us.


I would much rather deal with a shitty Corporation than the shitty moronic gov.




How about shitty corporations that push us into WARS?  Or cause global economic collapse?  Or put poisons in our foods?  Or create pollution at ginormous levels with no intention at all to clean it up?  Or destroy the lives of private citizens with their legal and political advantages?  Or control politicians to write laws that given them enormous advantages?  How about shitty corporations that help fund terrorism?  That rig interest rates? 

You seem kinda naive.




Try to answer the question next time, kiddo. Also, There you go with the personal attacks, kid.

All of those things you speak of depend of gov' action, or action of a corrupt, unlawful business, kiddo.

When has a corporation pushed us into war without our gullible congressmen (D) voting to go to war?

When has a corporation caused economic collapse except when the gov' legislated a predatory, crony market?

Why would a company put poison in food and expect to stay in business?

Why would a company pollute itself into non-existence?

Why do people have a strong will to make money via the government-While Government is happy to make money off of those same people?

Why do we have laws against funding terrorism and rigging interest rates?

I can answer all of these in detail, can you, kid?


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22330323 - 10/03/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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burgerbrain said:
When has the Coca-Cola company, or any company, tried to put people in jail? The fucking shitty government has done that: Put innocent people in jail. Yeah it's so horrible that corporations want to give us possessions, material things, while the Government wants to enslave us.


I would much rather deal with a shitty Corporation than the shitty moronic gov.




Government power and corporate power are two heads on the same animal. I am a liberal but I'm all for limiting government overreach. I don't 'worship' the government, as many of you have been strawmanning repeatedly. I see it as a tool, and I want that tool to be sharpened, and used correctly to achieve the greatest society possible for everyone.

The beautiful thing that I see going on today is that both sides, the left and the right, are waking up to the fact that the influence of wealth on politics is destroying the system. Once we remedy that situation, everything else will fall in line, one way or another. Until then, government will not be a useful tool, but for destructive purposes.


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22330331 - 10/03/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Try to answer the question next time, kiddo. Also, There you go with the personal attacks, kid.

All of those things you speak of depend of gov' action, or action of a corrupt, unlawful business, kiddo.

When has a corporation pushed us into war without our gullible congressmen (D) voting to go to war?

When has a corporation caused economic collapse except when the gov' legislated a predatory, crony market?

Why would a company put poison in food and expect to stay in business?

Why would a company pollute itself into non-existence?

Why do people have a strong will to make money via the government-While Government is happy to make money off of those same people?

Why do we have laws against funding terrorism and rigging interest rates?

I can answer all of these in detail, can you, kid?




John Adams wrote repeatedly that the primary cause of the American Revolution was to get out from under the control of the Bank of England as they were intentionally causing financial hardships on the colonies through a variety of currency tightening controls.  Many of the Founders believed corporations were a far bigger threat to our freedom and sovereignty than other enemies.  They went to great lengths to LIMIT the power of corporations at that time.  There was a reason they did this.  In fact, for a time, in order for corporations to get a charter in many states, they had to PROVE they were operating in the Public's BEST INTEREST.  Why do you think they did this?

Giant corporations are a form of government and, for many, the most invasive and intimate government they experience in their lives. 

Right now, the total global derivatives market is over 850 TRILLION ... that's Trillion with a "T" dollars.  This is how giant corporations convert thin air into assets and eventually push the debt on government. 

Government is hopelessly prepared to combat the force of these giant corporations ... the Founders saw the problems you apparently are unable to see.


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22330338 - 10/03/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Try to answer the question next time, kiddo.

Also, There you go with the personal attacks, kid.

All of those things you speak of depend of gov' action, or action of a corrupt, unlawful business, kiddo.

I can answer all of these in detail, can you, kid?




Really? You're bitching about personal attacks when you called him 'kid' 4 fucking times in one post? Does that make you feel superior or something?

You know, if I had your intellectual faculties, I'd use anything I could to gain a self-perceived edge in a debate also.


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22330342 - 10/03/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When has the Coca-Cola company, or any company, tried to put people in jail? The fucking shitty government has done that: Put innocent people in jail. Yeah it's so horrible that corporations want to give us possessions, material things, while the Government wants to enslave us.


I would much rather deal with a shitty Corporation than the shitty moronic gov.




Government power and corporate power are two heads on the same animal. I am a liberal but I'm all for limiting government overreach. I don't 'worship' the government, as many of you have been strawmanning repeatedly. I see it as a tool, and I want that tool to be sharpened, and used correctly to achieve the greatest society possible for everyone.

The beautiful thing that I see going on today is that both sides, the left and the right, are waking up to the fact that the influence of wealth on politics is destroying the system. Once we remedy that situation, everything else will fall in line, one way or another. Until then, government will not be a useful tool, but for destructive purposes.





Two heads of the same animal? Did you not read my post? Corporations want to "give you shit" while governments want to "enslave you". Yes there are many liberals who worship the government, unfortunately, and depend on "what the government says". Note this is not "What the Coca-Cola company says" - Remember a business is there to SERVE people while a government is there to CONTROL people. Wealth only has an affect when we let GOVERNMENT have an affect on us- and this will never change. The Government is not "useful" at all-The "Free Market" is useful. What did we do before government? I guess everyone died.

Good luck government suck up fools. The gov' has done such a great job so far.

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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22330387 - 10/03/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Try to answer the question next time, kiddo. Also, There you go with the personal attacks, kid.

All of those things you speak of depend of gov' action, or action of a corrupt, unlawful business, kiddo.

When has a corporation pushed us into war without our gullible congressmen (D) voting to go to war?

When has a corporation caused economic collapse except when the gov' legislated a predatory, crony market?

Why would a company put poison in food and expect to stay in business?

Why would a company pollute itself into non-existence?

Why do people have a strong will to make money via the government-While Government is happy to make money off of those same people?

Why do we have laws against funding terrorism and rigging interest rates?

I can answer all of these in detail, can you, kid?




John Adams wrote repeatedly that the primary cause of the American Revolution was to get out from under the control of the Bank of England as they were intentionally causing financial hardships on the colonies through a variety of currency tightening controls.  Many of the Founders believed corporations were a far bigger threat to our freedom and sovereignty than other enemies.  They went to great lengths to LIMIT the power of corporations at that time.  There was a reason they did this.  In fact, for a time, in order for corporations to get a charter in many states, they had to PROVE they were operating in the Public's BEST INTEREST.  Why do you think they did this?

Giant corporations are a form of government and, for many, the most invasive and intimate government they experience in their lives. 

Right now, the total global derivatives market is over 850 TRILLION ... that's Trillion with a "T" dollars.  This is how giant corporations convert thin air into assets and eventually push the debt on government. 

Government is hopelessly prepared to combat the force of these giant corporations ... the Founders saw the problems you apparently are unable to see.





LOL still unable to answer the questions, kiddo? No, giant corporations are NOT a form of government. Corporations are most invasive? HAHAH, you moron. Ever heard of the NSA?

Can you give a few examples of the founding father's limitations on corporations? I'll wait.

"Government is hopelessly prepared" - Who makes the rules, kiddo? Is that hopelessly prepared?


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22330433 - 10/03/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Two heads of the same animal? Did you not read my post? Corporations want to "give you shit" while governments want to "enslave you". Yes there are many liberals who worship the government, unfortunately, and depend on "what the government says". Note this is not "What the Coca-Cola company says" - Remember a business is there to SERVE people while a government is there to CONTROL people. Wealth only has an affect when we let GOVERNMENT have an affect on us- and this will never change. The Government is not "useful" at all-The "Free Market" is useful. What did we do before government? I guess everyone died.

Good luck government suck up fools. The gov' has done such a great job so far.




The government is there to serve, as is coca-cola. Corporations can easily become slavers also.

Trust me, I know all of the Libertarian rhetoric, and I really don't need to hear it again. I know where you stand on all of this.

I believe the war on drugs and NSA spying are the real reason for the widespread disdain of government, and rightly so. These are centrist programs. The far left and the far right are both against them.

I wouldn't just trust anything a corporation says, by the way. They are not some benevolent creation which intends to enrich your life, as you seem to think they are. There are many many examples throughout history of corporations lying to people, covering up scientific research which goes against their business practices, and giving people faulty products that are harmful, and even fatal on numerous occasions.

I don't see corporations as evil. I see them as a tool, as is government. A very efficient tool, that is meant to operate in a sociopathic manner in the aim of maximizing the number in its bottom line.

You see government as the only evil in the world, and that is not the case. 'Evil' takes many forms, and can just as easily manifest itself in the form of a corporation as it can in the form of government, if proper measures are not taken to keep these things in check.

One thing you must remember is that money is power. Concentration of power on a very large scale leads to corruption. Power must be decentralized in government, and in business structures, so that the people at large can be empowered.


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22330443 - 10/03/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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LOL still unable to answer the questions, kiddo? No, giant corporations are NOT a form of government. Corporations are most invasive? HAHAH, you moron. Ever heard of the NSA?

Can you give a few examples of the founding father's limitations on corporations? I'll wait.

"Government is hopelessly prepared" - Who makes the rules, kiddo? Is that hopelessly prepared?




Do you know how the NSA collects most of its data? Through corporations! lmao


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22330550 - 10/03/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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They've been trying to undermine the constitution for many years, it limits their power, but they don't see it that way, they just know better than us so we should just blindly follow along,




What you can't see is it isn't government power that's destroying America, it's the power of global multinational companies.  It's corporate power over reach.  Our Constitution is simply not built to deal with the level of corporate power we have today.  That kind of situation simply didn't exist in the 1700's ... and, in fact, the Founders were very suspicious of corporations and most states were very strict about what corporations could and couldn't do and limited their charters.  The regulation of corporations was MUCH STRICTER in the 1700's than it is today ...

You need to study history a bit to understand how we got to where we are today.  George Washington wanted to OUTLAW POLITICAL PARTIES completely ... how's that for government over reach?





When has the Coca-Cola company, or any company, tried to put people in jail? The fucking shitty government has done that: Put innocent people in jail. Yeah it's so horrible that corporations want to give us possessions, material things, while the Government wants to enslave us.


I would much rather deal with a shitty Corporation than the shitty moronic gov.




here you go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22330705 - 10/03/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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here you go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal




Wow Balls... That's the best, most literal example imagineable! lmao

Well done.


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22331172 - 10/04/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

LOL balls, how is that an example of corporations putting people in jail?

That's an example of 2 corrupted GOVERNMENT judges putting kids in jail. Yes the kids would have NOT gone to jail if it wasn't for the GOVERNMENT.

How the hell do you socialists think this is a "corporation" putting people in jail? You socialist kids aren't very bright.

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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22331309 - 10/04/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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We've already proven to you that the post office needs to die. Why do you even care? Its because you see companies as evil all powerful entities run by demons. There's no logic to it. If something needs to die, let it die. Let nature take its course. There is clearly no need to interfere, but interfere they have. Its not like its some kind of big loss to mankind, if a stupid poorly managed government parcel delivery service is stopped. And that's how you're acting.

And yes, promoting responsibility in the media is actually a current topic discussed by many intellectual people across the internet. I just brought the topic here because I thought someone around here would have heard of it by now. I guess not.

For the 54rth time, journalism once existed. If it existed once, that proves that it could exist again.




You've proven that you can't even follow basic logic. This is why our country is falling apart >.<




That's hilarious coming from the guy who A. illogically doesn't want the undead post office to crawl into its grave where it belongs and B. Doesn't see anything wrong with the public school system. Talks about "free college" instead. Hilarious. I'll school you on a lesson your dad should have taught you long ago. Ain't nothin in this world free, son.

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They've been trying to undermine the constitution for many years, it limits their power, but they don't see it that way, they just know better than us so we should just blindly follow along,




What you can't see is it isn't government power that's destroying America, it's the power of global multinational companies.





Well, yes and no. You can't say its one or the other, cause its really both. Without the government, the corps have nothing. Nothing. Nobody would go for that shit, so they HAVE to get the law on their side. Which they do, quite regularly. And guess who the go to guy is for getting the law on your side... the government. You're not going to go after the corporations and make them stop doing shit. Good luck with that. You use the government to go after them.

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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: bennylava]
    #22331337 - 10/04/15 04:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Regardless, this whole debate all goes back to ending campaign contributions. People on the left: If you want to end the evil corps' rule, end campaign contributions.

People on the right: Want to take away a major talking point of the left and end their attack on business? End campaign contributions. They won't have a leg to stand on anymore. (when it comes to that shit)

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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22331657 - 10/04/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Two heads of the same animal? Did you not read my post? Corporations want to "give you shit" while governments want to "enslave you". Yes there are many liberals who worship the government, unfortunately, and depend on "what the government says". Note this is not "What the Coca-Cola company says" - Remember a business is there to SERVE people while a government is there to CONTROL people. Wealth only has an affect when we let GOVERNMENT have an affect on us- and this will never change. The Government is not "useful" at all-The "Free Market" is useful. What did we do before government? I guess everyone died.

Good luck government suck up fools. The gov' has done such a great job so far.




you really are a burger brain if you're idea of corporations is just "something that's there to serve the people". You realize corps are for-profit institutions protecting bottom lines and annual returns well before anything else right? I mean that's p much an across the lines accepted truth now days.


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22331850 - 10/04/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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LOL balls, how is that an example of corporations putting people in jail?

That's an example of 2 corrupted GOVERNMENT judges putting kids in jail. Yes the kids would have NOT gone to jail if it wasn't for the GOVERNMENT.

How the hell do you socialists think this is a "corporation" putting people in jail? You socialist kids aren't very bright.




you are actually serious aren't you?

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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22331901 - 10/04/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Cut the influence of corporations on politicians, break up the big corporations, get a lot tougher on the anti-trust and monopoly laws, do what Germany does and give labor an equal number of board seats as shareholders and create a tax OPTION for corporations to dramatically reduce their corporate tax rate if they cut the pay gap, top to bottom in their company to no more than 25X.  Force every CEO to disclose every political policy influencing activity, donation, meeting, strategy, etc... with any politician on a quarterly basis or face real jail time.  Do not allow defense, energy, prison, pharma or food companies to donate any money to any politicians.  Tax all charities, churches and unions at the corporate rate.

That will go a long way toward getting business out of the hair of government so elected officials started serving THE VOTER.


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22332017 - 10/04/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Cut the influence of corporations on politicians, break up the big corporations, get a lot tougher on the anti-trust and monopoly laws, do what Germany does and give labor an equal number of board seats as shareholders and create a tax OPTION for corporations to dramatically reduce their corporate tax rate if they cut the pay gap, top to bottom in their company to no more than 25X.  Force every CEO to disclose every political policy influencing activity, donation, meeting, strategy, etc... with any politician on a quarterly basis or face real jail time.  Do not allow defense, energy, prison, pharma or food companies to donate any money to any politicians.  Tax all charities, churches and unions at the corporate rate.

That will go a long way toward getting business out of the hair of government so elected officials started serving THE VOTER.




Some of that stuff shouldn't be done. Unskilled labor isn't worth nearly the amount of money of a good CEO. Take steve jobs for instance. He was worth all the money he was paid, to that company. He led them to billions in profits. The huge pay gap was completely justifiable, between him, and an apple store clerk.

And frankly, what these companies do with their money (short of bribery that should be stopped) is none of anyone's business, but theirs. What your suggesting gives incentive for the majority of people not to excel, not to really go ahead and get that master's degree or PHd, not to become innovators. Why not if you can make similar pay to the CEO. Not the same, but its not too far off either. You don't have to tell them to pay well, they don't have a choice if they want to keep the best people. Now if they don't care that their business is a revolving door for all types of people including lowlifes, well that's their business. Let them suffer for it.

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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22332091 - 10/04/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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LOL balls, how is that an example of corporations putting people in jail?

That's an example of 2 corrupted GOVERNMENT judges putting kids in jail. Yes the kids would have NOT gone to jail if it wasn't for the GOVERNMENT.

How the hell do you socialists think this is a "corporation" putting people in jail? You socialist kids aren't very bright.




The jail was a corporate owned juvenile detention center, which paid a judge to increase the flow of youngsters into the system.

Think about it this way. Had there not been a privately owned Juvy, those kids would not have been in Juvy. None of this would have happened.


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: bennylava]
    #22332128 - 10/04/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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We've already proven to you that the post office needs to die. Why do you even care? Its because you see companies as evil all powerful entities run by demons. There's no logic to it. If something needs to die, let it die. Let nature take its course. There is clearly no need to interfere, but interfere they have. Its not like its some kind of big loss to mankind, if a stupid poorly managed government parcel delivery service is stopped. And that's how you're acting.

And yes, promoting responsibility in the media is actually a current topic discussed by many intellectual people across the internet. I just brought the topic here because I thought someone around here would have heard of it by now. I guess not.

For the 54rth time, journalism once existed. If it existed once, that proves that it could exist again.




You've proven that you can't even follow basic logic. This is why our country is falling apart >.<




That's hilarious coming from the guy who A. illogically doesn't want the undead post office to crawl into its grave where it belongs and B. Doesn't see anything wrong with the public school system. Talks about "free college" instead. Hilarious. I'll school you on a lesson your dad should have taught you long ago. Ain't nothin in this world free, son.




Quit strawmanning. 1) The post office is doing just fine. If it wasn't, I may not support its continuation. All that you've proven is that you didn't read/comprehend any of the arguments made in this thread. 2) I didn't say 'Free College'. I said publicly funded higher education. I included the source of the money lmao! Really, learn to read. Also, I never said the public school system was without problems. You're making a strawman argument. Reframing everything I said in an idiotic light that suits your argument.

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They've been trying to undermine the constitution for many years, it limits their power, but they don't see it that way, they just know better than us so we should just blindly follow along,




What you can't see is it isn't government power that's destroying America, it's the power of global multinational companies.





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Well, yes and no. You can't say its one or the other, cause its really both. Without the government, the corps have nothing. Nothing. Nobody would go for that shit, so they HAVE to get the law on their side.




I agree with you here. As I said, they are two heads of the same beast. I just don't see any reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you fix campaign finance, corruption will go away dramatically fast, and we will regain a lot of control of our government. So lets fix it.

If the fuel pump goes out on my car, I don't throw the car away. I fix it, because the car is useful to me. You don't just get rid of things because there is something wrong with them. That is a lazy ass attitude.

I do agree that part of regaining power over our government is to limit government power to some extent also. The NSA spying has got to go, among other things. Government should do nothing more than serve its constituents, not spy on them.

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Which they do, quite regularly. And guess who the go to guy is for getting the law on your side... the government. You're not going to go after the corporations and make them stop doing shit. Good luck with that. You use the government to go after them.




Right. So we cut off their influence on government via the campaign finance system.


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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22332266 - 10/04/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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LOL still unable to answer the questions, kiddo? No, giant corporations are NOT a form of government. Corporations are most invasive? HAHAH, you moron. Ever heard of the NSA?

Can you give a few examples of the founding father's limitations on corporations? I'll wait.

"Government is hopelessly prepared" - Who makes the rules, kiddo? Is that hopelessly prepared?




Do you know how the NSA collects most of its data? Through corporations! lmao




The privatization of intelligence services is a perfect example of our government ceding power to the corporations.

To be fair I don't want the NSA spying with orwithout Booz Hamilton, but the point remains.


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