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Help! My grain is muddy after 24 hr soak/simmer/strain!!
    #22329975 - 10/03/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm about to go out for the night and can't stay here with my grains, but after a 24 hours soak, 20 min simmer (no burst grains), the muddy gypsum in with my WBS in the colander. I used 10% which is suggested in threads for gypsum. This came out to 1 cup gypsum for 12 cups of WBS just to be safe. I did this last time and didn't have a muddy mess on  my hands. Can't seem to remember what I did. I have the pellet gypsum from home depot. I wish I hadn't bought it simply because of the mess it makes when water hit it.

When I make my subs, there's no problem as I just add the gypsum to the bulk when I'm mixing. Since there's not a ton of water, the gypsum doesn't become muddy and it really helped my grow a lot!

How do the pro-members of this site add the gypsum to their grains? I know you're supposed to add it before the soak, which I did, but 1 cup of gypsum gets really muddy and and the water becomes murkey when I soak. RR says not to rinse the gypsum after the simmer, just to strain and add to the jars. I would do this, but i don't feel right filling jars with muddy gypsum on my clean/rinsed WBS. I just want to know what to do right now, since I can't keep them wet overnight when I go out, or they would've been wet for more than 30 hours and would probably be bad by then.



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Re: Help! My grain is muddy after 24 hr soak/simmer/strain!! [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22330223 - 10/03/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You should use less gypsum next time or mix it in better while the water is colde But it's no big deal. Gypsum isn't as important as it's made out to be. Being wet for 30 hours won't hurt your grain either. I  used to soak my WBS for up to 2 days. It will stink like hell but it will still be fine. Relax your good.


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Re: Help! My grain is muddy after 24 hr soak/simmer/strain!! [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22330345 - 10/03/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: cronicr]
    #22344055 - 10/07/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The gypsum that made my water so murkey also stuck around after I PC'd and look at them...



Is this bad? I know that gypsum should also help with keeping the grains apart, but it didn't get this messy last time. What's the best way to mix in 10% gypsum into WBS? I put in my pelletized gypsum into the soak and strained only after the simmer.


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22344166 - 10/07/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

that looks terrible :frown:


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22344176 - 10/07/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

10% is when you mix in bulk. You don't need near that much in grains. A pinch worth per jar is enough. I wouldn't sweat it tho, will probably still colonize fine.


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22344177 - 10/07/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Use less. I only use a pinch of gypsum per qt of grain.


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22346014 - 10/07/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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that looks terrible :frown:



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Yeah, I know it's bad. I forgot that it's about a tablespoon in RR's video's.

I made 25 total, but they don't all look as bad as the ones in the pictures. I just wanted to show the worst ones.

Should I toss all 25 of these?


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22346330 - 10/07/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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10% is when you mix in bulk. You don't need near that much in grains. A pinch worth per jar is enough. I wouldn't sweat it tho, will probably still colonize fine.




10% seems like a lot of gypsum doesn't it? I throw in a couple handfuls per brick of coir (coir as example)

I always get over excited about gypsum and add too much in my grain :lol: makes a mess in your pots.
Im with Pasty, just a pinch per quart!


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: mushpunx]
    #22346343 - 10/07/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't bothered with gypsum in grains for a while now and I only use it in bulk when I'm doing poo and straw. I used to use it in peat based casings but I mostly case with coir now. I don't really use it much at all anymore.


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22347074 - 10/07/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I usd it out of habit mostly. I haven't noticed a difference when I don't use it.


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22347116 - 10/07/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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that looks terrible :frown:



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Yeah, I know it's bad. I forgot that it's about a tablespoon in RR's video's.

I made 25 total, but they don't all look as bad as the ones in the pictures. I just wanted to show the worst ones.

Should I toss all 25 of these?



I'd use them, that's a lot of time and materials and you should get something even if a few have trouble.  I'd suspect the excess gypsum will have them too moist.

Might try to wait a few days with some of them and shake a few times a day to get the moisture even and the grains dry on the outside?  Experiment a little if you have plenty of resources.


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: SynKyd]
    #22349289 - 10/08/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome. All good advice. I accidentally dunked my bulk for 16 hours, forgetting that 4 hours is plenty.

Any thoughts on bulk dunk time? I use 50 coir/50 verm.


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22353459 - 10/09/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Awesome. All good advice. I accidentally dunked my bulk for 16 hours, forgetting that 4 hours is plenty.

Any thoughts on bulk dunk time? I use 50 coir/50 verm.





Dunked your bulk substrate? Not sure what you're saying. That's not something that is done as far as I know.  What tek are you using for bulk?


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: SynKyd]
    #22353476 - 10/09/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I dunk my subs for about 4 hours between fleshed.  I've forgot about them and let them go over nigh a few times. They were a bit soft but still produced the next flush just fine.


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: SynKyd]
    #22354210 - 10/09/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Awesome. All good advice. I accidentally dunked my bulk for 16 hours, forgetting that 4 hours is plenty.

Any thoughts on bulk dunk time? I use 50 coir/50 verm.





Dunked your bulk substrate? Not sure what you're saying. That's not something that is done as far as I know.  What tek are you using for bulk?



Really? you've never dunked or heard of dunking bulk?


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Re: WBS started sprouting before I PC'd. Also, the gypsum is very visible in jars. [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
    #22355381 - 10/09/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Adding moisture between flushes, yes. Your question here was about grain prep, in this context, you lost me.


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