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    #22328765 - 10/03/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So im about to make a bulk sub and I have a lot of straw, verm, and coir. Can I mix the three  straw verm coir with no problems pasturized of course. What mix of the 3 would be the best or should I leave one out? Any adive would be greatly appriciated


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Re: substrate [Re: seand04]
    #22328816 - 10/03/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What would be the best ratio for the three is what i really would like to know


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Re: substrate [Re: seand04]
    #22328886 - 10/03/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I personally would leave out the straw so you don't have to pasteurize. Just do coir and verm. Gypsum is highly recommended as well. :cheers:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17325780#17325780

Coir does not germinate mold spores. So you can get away with sterilizing this recipe or using the bucket tek as well.


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Re: substrate [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22328922 - 10/03/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you dont have to pasturize the verm and coir? I always do. I just got a lot of straw so I figured i would add it


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Re: substrate [Re: seand04]
    #22328935 - 10/03/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i like horse manure.


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Re: substrate [Re: seand04]
    #22328947 - 10/03/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you dont have to pasturize the verm and coir? I always do. I just got a lot of straw so I figured i would add it




It's fine if you do, just not necessary.

Straw you will have to chop up then soak before pasteurizing with the c/v. If you're just using c/v you can skip all that and save time. :thumbup:


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Re: substrate [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22329826 - 10/03/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22325901

Here you go dude, just posted a thread on this yesterday.

Coir/verm/gypsum can be heat treated with boiling water, straw needs to be proper pasturized.

I mix the two together afterwards.

I go 1 brick coir, 2 quarts verm, hand full gypsum, 4 quarts boiling water in a bucket.. cover wil lid mix it up well as it cools.

I cut up my straw into 1-3 inch peices, and put in a 5 gallon bucket like I do my coir. I fill the bucket with water and a little dish soap and soak it for a few hours to overnight.
I drain the straw.

Next I heat up a big pot of water u ntill 175-180 degrees. I pour it into the straw and set a timer for 1 hour.
After a half hour I check the temp to make sure its still well above 140, but a 5 gallon bucket full of water and straw with a lid on usually holds for an hour.

It needs to stay between 140 and 170 for an hour, not higher or lower for more than a few minutes, and not longer than an hour.

I drain the straw, cool with water and drain again. Then I mix into the coir very evenly. You can put as much as or as little as you like. I usually add 25-30 percent straw.


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Re: substrate [Re: mushpunx]
    #22330158 - 10/03/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Personally I would use just straw for your substrate. Then case it with coir verm when it reaches 100%. Straw kicks ass


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Re: substrate [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22330168 - 10/03/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: substrate [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22330180 - 10/03/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Personally I would use just straw for your substrate. Then case it with coir verm when it reaches 100%. Straw kicks ass



Really? Just straw?


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Re: substrate [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22330181 - 10/03/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

straw and manure?


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Re: substrate [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22330196 - 10/03/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah. Based on those 3 ingredients. Straw, manure is my favorite bulk substrate. But just straw cased with coir will do really well. Straw holds an ass load of water.


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Re: substrate [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22330351 - 10/03/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

agreed with muda, straw on it's own is a grreat sub, mixing the 3 would be great too but straw holds tons of water and puts some monsters out


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Re: substrate [Re: cronicr]
    #22330475 - 10/03/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ive really gotta do straw now!! Buying 2 bales tomorrow. I wish they just sold bags of turds for real! I need poop!


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Re: substrate [Re: vagblast]
    #22330609 - 10/03/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yea I get huge fruits with straw!!

I love using straight straw if Im doing a few tubs. But man I hate chopping it all up hahaha that's whyI much prefer mixing  it into something like CVG or poo. 25, 50 % .. more, less all my tubs benefit from it!


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Re: substrate [Re: mushpunx]
    #22330639 - 10/03/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Gilitine or how ever u spell the blade that chops heads. That style paper cutter man. Ya know what im talking about? Its got a deck to put sheets of paper on the a big long.blade upull up and slice.down with. Lay some straw on that bitch and slowly move with hand and chop! Chop! Chop! Chop! Maybe?
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Re: substrate [Re: vagblast]
    #22330642 - 10/03/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: substrate [Re: mushpunx]
    #22330645 - 10/03/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's why I  buy preshredded straw. It's way more expensive than bails but still a hell of a lot cheaper than coir or Verm.


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Re: substrate [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22330647 - 10/03/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Whoop there it is! Cmon yall! Whoop there it is! I hate words.


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