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My first monotub!
#22327737 - 10/03/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys, long time lurker here. I've been growing on and off for a couple of years now. I just recently got into bulk and now I'm (hopefully) about to start my first mono.
My plan is to spawn 4qts of rye berries to one brick of coir, 2 quarts of verm and a cup of gypsum. I'm gathering the last of my supplies now, just wanted to post some pics of my spawn before I open the jars. For the most part they look good but it looks like some of the rye isn't completely colonized since the mycelium is so thin. Any thoughts?



I plan to update this thread as my grow progresses. Any help is much appreciated, thanks guys!
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
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Everything there looks completely colonized.
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
#22327760 - 10/03/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the quick response! Really wasn't sure about that rye berry stuck to the glass on the top of the jar
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22327768 - 10/03/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The one with the mycelium exploding out of it? Pretty sure it's fine.
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
#22328047 - 10/03/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love when grains do that.
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Looks good to me too ESP! I have 3-4 looking the same way. The 4th jar I have still needs to finish up a small spot on the bottom...hoping it does that in next 48 hours. If I only have 3 ready 2 days from now I guess I'll use a half brick of coir and 1 cup of verm. I'm pushing to have some finished by 10/29 and don't have time for a deep substrate to colonize.
What size tub do you plan to use? Most teks I see call for 4-6 qts spawn with a whole brick. By doing a 1:2 ration here I guess I only expect one good flush maybe but that's ok...I have more jars coming along. I just can't figure out what size tub to get a 3-3.5" sub depth with.
There's suppose to be a spawn calculator to help with tub size but one I googled had big warning thing pop up saying I was infected with malware and needed to call a certain #
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Thanks guys! 
I was planning on following Frank's mono tek since it's so noob friendly. I'm gonna use a 66 qt. I have to double check the tek but I think he makes his holes at the 4 inch mark. I've also heard of some people filling their qt jars with water and then dumping it into the tub so they know how many qts of spawn/sub to use in their particular tub.
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22328445 - 10/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ESPdude said: Thanks guys! 
I was planning on following Frank's mono tek since it's so noob friendly. I'm gonna use a 66 qt. I have to double check the tek but I think he makes his holes at the 4 inch mark. I've also heard of some people filling their qt jars with water and then dumping it into the tub so they know how many qts of spawn/sub to use in their particular tub.
You can't go wrong with Frank's. I prefer to use water to measure my tubs. When doing mono's I stay with a 2:1 sub to spawn ratio. When using this method you want to use exact parts, don't count a 3/4 colonized jar as 1 quart, it is 3/4. I use 6 3/4 filled quarts per mono, so that's technically 4 1/2 spawn quarts. I use 9 total quarts of substrate. 13.5 quarts into your tub will give you pretty close sub level depth. Don't make your holes right at sub level. I like to place them 1/2-3/4'' above.
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Remember ESP you want the bottom of the holes to be at sub level. If using a hole saw the bit needs to be up higher so the hole is in right place. Think the last mono I did was an 18 gal and but the bit in at 4.5" from the bottom so the bottom of the hole was right at 3 1/4"? That tub someone had some PF jars they couldn't finish and I didn't want to set up a SGF so crumbled it all up and bulked it...think we had 20 half pints in that one.
Ismkgrbud...thanks for clarifying that about the qts. I see alot of ppl use 6 qts but I know there is space in the jars so wondered if they meant 6 jars or 6 full qts!? Mine are only like 2/3 full...so I'll either be using 3-4 of those for a small mini right now as I have to get the tub mixed within next 2 days. I wonder too can you tape tyvek over the holes rather than use polyfill?
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Ismkgrbud...thanks for clarifying that about the qts. I see alot of ppl use 6 qts but I know there is space in the jars so wondered if they meant 6 jars or 6 full qts!?
I may have made made you over think things here.
If it says in a tek to use 6 qts of spawn, then use 6 jars of spawn. Don't go throwing in like 9 jars of spawn to get a total of 6 quarts. That's why I emphasized when using this method, the 2:1 sub to spawn, because I'm going by volume, not by a tek. If you're following a tek, follow the tek step by step.
The only reason I added it with fractions was for a more accurate total volume. When you're thinking of substrate depth, it just adding all of you're material into one tub, so its just adding all the parts to a whole. That's why in total volume, we count 3/4 as 3/4.
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Thanks for the advice blueindian! Did you use a casing layer?
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You can't go wrong with Frank's. I prefer to use water to measure my tubs. When doing mono's I stay with a 2:1 sub to spawn ratio. When using this method you want to use exact parts, don't count a 3/4 colonized jar as 1 quart, it is 3/4. I use 6 3/4 filled quarts per mono, so that's technically 4 1/2 spawn quarts. I use 9 total quarts of substrate. 13.5 quarts into your tub will give you pretty close sub level depth. Don't make your holes right at sub level. I like to place them 1/2-3/4'' above. 
Ok cool. I always assumed that 6 qts of spawn meant 6 quart jars that were 3/4 full, not 6 qts by volume. Good to know thanks
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22329173 - 10/03/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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well mine are like 2/3 full and I don't even know what size tub I'm going to use at the moment I have to go shopping so will have to do some math for the 2:1 ratio and size of tub needed...math isn't my strong point.
ESP we didn't use a casing last time but maybe should have. Had a lot of shrinkage and just got one good flush. Didn't bother dunking it for a 2nd though. I didn't mix it so not real sure what the depth was of the sub either. I'm not qualified to tell you whether you should or shouldn't use a casing. I will be doing several tubs soon and may case a couple and not others to see if it helps with moisture loss. Heading into winter my place will be quite dry with the heat running so I can see it may be beneficial.
EDIT...BTW ESP we did Damions 50/50 coir tek last time and I like going that route. Other times I've tried to pasteurize in a pillow case it was always too wet. Good luck brotha!
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BlueIndian said: DIT...BTW ESP we did Damions 50/50 coir tek last time and I like going that route. Other times I've tried to pasteurize in a pillow case it was always too wet. Good luck brotha!
Y'all are killing me... I could just let it slide but then it gets said more, next thing you know somebody's lookiing for the 50/50 tek and they dig up this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1271642#1271642
Look at the search results for 50/50. Already half of them are damion5050's Coir tek, and the other half are questions about the actual 50/50 tek.
Being anti-confusion, it's hard to let it slide. Maybe it's damion's fault for choosing that username in the first place.
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
#22329344 - 10/03/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: jbaby007]
#22329362 - 10/03/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I was too late I guess, I didn't even realize how bad the problem was until I performed that search. Far too late...
That highlights EXACTLY why it's important though. See those vague threads with topics like "50/50 tek" that have a question like "Is oyster shell good to use for this?" and then a TC confirms that it is?
I don't think I really have to explain.
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
#22329414 - 10/03/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think I'm going to properly pasteurize my sub since it's my first time with a mono. I know it's hard for coir to contam but I'd rather be safe than sorry. I'm also going to be adding a casing once it's fully colonized. I'll post some pics once I spawn the tub
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22329480 - 10/03/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're not making yourself any safer by pasteurizing coir. It literally.. doesn't matter. My coir tek that I use exclusively is closer to sterilization and it performs great. Coir does not have beneficial bacteria that you can preserve, which is the goal of pasteurization. There's nothing to save by staying under 175F.
Now, say you wanna do it for practice, go for it! But don't do it because you're paranoid, that's nonsensical.
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
#22329632 - 10/03/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Post pics ill be doing my first monotubs soon too. Great info hete thanks good luck
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
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Just spawned my tub last night. I used 5 qts of spawn to 1 brick of coir, verm and gypsum. Have it colonizing now in a closet.
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22355046 - 10/09/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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looks pretty good what tek did you use to setup the tubs vents? You planning to open the vents and fill with polyfill when it's time to fruit? I will be setting up mine very soon the jars are 60% or so atm.
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
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ESPdude said: Just spawned my tub last night. I used 5 qts of spawn to 1 brick of coir, verm and gypsum. Have it colonizing now in a closet.

You could just leave the tub on a shelf or on the floor in your room to colonize. Mycelium benefits from light at all stages of the grow cycle. It'll only pin up when it's fully colonized, so no need to worry about keeping it in complete darkness during the colonizing phase, that is outdated info, just ask any TC.
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Cool thanks! So my sub has been colonizing for 4 days now. Here's some pics. Does it look alright? I plan on adding a casing, can I do that now or should I give it some time?


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22362909 - 10/11/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's great growth for 4 days!! Looks almost 100% already, but I'd give it another day or two, I still see some tiny uncolonized pieces of coir. You wanna make sure everything is covered. Then case it!!
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PsilocybePhilosphy said: looks pretty good what tek did you use to setup the tubs vents? You planning to open the vents and fill with polyfill when it's time to fruit? I will be setting up mine very soon the jars are 60% or so atm.
I just followed Franks mono tub tek.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837
Just took a 1.5in hole saw and cut out my bottom holes at the 4" mark from the bottom of my tub and used the same hole saw to cut out the top holes on the short side. The bottom holes look a bit high but I plan on using a casing so hopefully they'll be alright... And yeah, after my casing is partially colonized I was going to fill those with polyfil. There's another greak tek for that as well http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777
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I have a few questions.
How manys cc's did you inoculate?
Is that a trsh bag I see lining the bottom?
Why did you add gypsum?
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Roostertail said: I have a few questions.
How manys cc's did you inoculate?
Is that a trsh bag I see lining the bottom?
Why did you add gypsum?
I used roughly .5 to 1 cc per grain jar of rye berries. Yes that's a trash bag lining the bottom, and it was a PITA to set up lol. I know it doesn't look the neatest. I added gypsum to my grain soak water and to the bulk sub because it contains calcium and suffer which are great nutrients for shrooms
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Dayum that is kicking hard for 4 days!!
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22362988 - 10/11/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome thanks!! And ihaving the tub open for a couple minutes shouldn't have hurt anything right? Considering it was spawned in open air
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22363235 - 10/11/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not at all, the sub is very contam resistant against outside contams at this point.
You should only be concerned about using unclean spawn jars or an improperly sterilized/pasteurized sub (you don't have to worry about that if using coir). It's pretty much mold resistant. Hpoo based subs are more tricky to get right. It needs proper pasteurization or you'll be growing mold.
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Roostertail said: Why did you add gypsum?
Seems weird to come into a grow-log thread to ask someone why they used gypsum when everyone here has recommended using gypsum for years and years. He linked the tek he followed a few posts prior.
Sooooo..... I'm asking the questions now:
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I don't think it counts as doxxing if you do it to yourself. 
Seriously though guy, fix your shit before the cops kick down your door. Don't make me talk about that grasscity thread where you talk about how high you got on that "sour d" or the weird pictures of fat chicks on your photobucket.
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
#22377676 - 10/14/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok guys, day 7 of colonization and here she is! Is it safe to case now?


I have some colonization taking place on my liner, hope that's ok

And I've never really seen a colonized substrate in person before so I was hoping you guys could enlighten me here. What is the fuzzy mycelium coming off the substrate surface caused from?
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22377860 - 10/14/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do monotubs produce more than just using cakes and a FC?
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22377867 - 10/14/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ESPdude said: Just spawned my tub last night. I used 5 qts of spawn to 1 brick of coir, verm and gypsum. Have it colonizing now in a closet.
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Oh your about four days ahead of me, looks like most things we done are the same here 
I wanna watch see how yours turns out 
How long were your jars colonising for??
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: xgpx0001]
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xgpx0001 said: Do monotubs produce more than just using cakes and a FC?
A lot more! I wish I would have tried bulk growing years ago
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Smoothcat]
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ESPdude said: Just spawned my tub last night. I used 5 qts of spawn to 1 brick of coir, verm and gypsum. Have it colonizing now in a closet.
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Oh your about four days ahead of me, looks like most things we done are the same here 
I wanna watch see how yours turns out 
How long were your jars colonising for??
Nice!! Do you have any pics? My jars took 4-5 weeks to colonize. What type of grain are you using?
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
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ESPdude said: Just spawned my tub last night. I used 5 qts of spawn to 1 brick of coir, verm and gypsum. Have it colonizing now in a closet.
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Oh your about four days ahead of me, looks like most things we done are the same here 
I wanna watch see how yours turns out 
How long were your jars colonising for??
Nice!! Do you have any pics? My jars took 4-5 weeks to colonize. What type of grain are you using?
Yeah man here's the link to my thread 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22375271
Was using rye berries too 
Good luck, can't wait to compare results
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Smoothcat]
#22378115 - 10/14/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds good I'll be following your thread too, good luck!!!
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22379906 - 10/14/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's pretty much ready IMO. Not sure I would bother with a casing layer...as far I know casing is just for moisture layer. :personally I might give another day or so max and fruit it....but I'm impatient too
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Yeah I cased it earlier today. So we'll see how it goes in a few days...
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22393550 - 10/17/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So it's been 3 days since I cased my tub. It's showing good growth but I'm just a bit worried that it may be unsporulated trich. Any thoughts?


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22393796 - 10/17/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks okay so far, I don't see any green popping out anywhere. But, only time will tell.
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Thanks Psilosoulful!! Appreciate all the advice so far
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
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No problem dude
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I have my tub in fruiting conditions now. I'm trying to dial it in as best I can. I stuffed the shit out of the bottom holes and left the top ones loose. Here's what I have From the outside:



And the inside:


I'm trying to achieve that line of evaporation from the top holes like Frank shows in his tek but it doesn't look like I'm there yet.
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22399692 - 10/18/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The top holes still look a bit too tight. Use less polyfill and roll it into a ball, then flatten it out, as described in the tek. You want it barely stuffed in the top hole (almost falling out) for maximum FAE.
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Here's an update of my tub after 5 days in fruiting conditions. Really excited to see pins already!! 


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22439329 - 10/27/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I could really use some advice guys!! So I've been getting fuzzy feet on some of my shroomies but my poly is really really loose and I have a fan going so I'm not sure how to improve FAE anymore. Some of the walls are even starting to dry up on me. Any ideas on what I can do to improve??
Also, is it just me or do my fruits look a bit small/skinny?




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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22439809 - 10/27/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Forgive if I missed it but what strain is it?
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Soreidorb]
#22439868 - 10/27/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I grew a couple BRF using the PF in high school, but am SERIOUSLY looking into the mono. Gonna do a PF grow, just to touch up a bit and then a monotub. My biggest thing lol is I literally dont know which site to get spores from...Im so noob I just want some syringes to check out. Sorry to post in the wrong feed,but really hoping to find some help and someone to guide me. Thanks guys
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Psilosoulful

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ESPdude said: I could really use some advice guys!! So I've been getting fuzzy feet on some of my shroomies but my poly is really really loose and I have a fan going so I'm not sure how to improve FAE anymore. Some of the walls are even starting to dry up on me. Any ideas on what I can do to improve??
Also, is it just me or do my fruits look a bit small/skinny?





Make sure the fan is pointed away from the tub, or it'll eventually dry up the surface and slow down future pins from forming.
If your bottom holes are stuffed tight, and the top holes are dialed in loose, then weak genetics may play a role in why your shrooms look soo skinny. OR a contam hidden within the bulk sub, most likely from dirty spawn, that is slowing down the growth of healthy looking mushrooms.
How did you inoculate your spawn jars? I never use MS syringes to grain anymore, they're not trustworthy. I always use a clean wedge of agar and drop it into the jar, and G2G it to other jars once it's fully colonized. That is the best way to ensure clean spawn, given you perform good sterile procedures in the SAB.
Mad Season's tek helped me out a lot, as I'm a very visual learner. Take a look! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21889950/fpart/1/vc/1
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Smoothcat
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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
#22440476 - 10/27/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ESPdude said: Here's an update of my tub after 5 days in fruiting conditions. Really excited to see pins already!! 
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5 days!! I think something is wrong with mine then, either contam or bad genetics, I spawned mine on October 10th and took the tape off and introduced light seven days ago, still no signs of pins.
What do you think guys??

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Psilosoulful

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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Smoothcat]
#22440622 - 10/27/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smoothcat said:
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ESPdude said: Here's an update of my tub after 5 days in fruiting conditions. Really excited to see pins already!! 
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5 days!! I think something is wrong with mine then, either contam or bad genetics, I spawned mine on October 10th and took the tape off and introduced light seven days ago, still no signs of pins.
What do you think guys??


Could just be genetics or unclean spawn, resulting in a bacterial substrate, which could be why there is such a long delay in pin formation.
I wouldn't write it off yet, it looks good from what I can tell. If you don't see any pins in the next week, then there is definitely a contam in there.
And also, take that tape off the liner. After the first flush, the sub will start shrinking, and a small gap will be created that will encourage the growth of side pins. It's best to avoid that.
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ESPdude
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Soreidorb said: Forgive if I missed it but what strain is it?
It's Costa Rican strain.
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RipvanBongBowl420 said: I grew a couple BRF using the PF in high school, but am SERIOUSLY looking into the mono. Gonna do a PF grow, just to touch up a bit and then a monotub. My biggest thing lol is I literally dont know which site to get spores from...Im so noob I just want some syringes to check out. Sorry to post in the wrong feed,but really hoping to find some help and someone to guide me. Thanks guys
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ESPdude
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Psilosoulful said:
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ESPdude said: I could really use some advice guys!! So I've been getting fuzzy feet on some of my shroomies but my poly is really really loose and I have a fan going so I'm not sure how to improve FAE anymore. Some of the walls are even starting to dry up on me. Any ideas on what I can do to improve??
Also, is it just me or do my fruits look a bit small/skinny?





Make sure the fan is pointed away from the tub, or it'll eventually dry up the surface and slow down future pins from forming.
If your bottom holes are stuffed tight, and the top holes are dialed in loose, then weak genetics may play a role in why your shrooms look soo skinny. OR a contam hidden within the bulk sub, most likely from dirty spawn, that is slowing down the growth of healthy looking mushrooms.
How did you inoculate your spawn jars? I never use MS syringes to grain anymore, they're not trustworthy. I always use a clean wedge of agar and drop it into the jar, and G2G it to other jars once it's fully colonized. That is the best way to ensure clean spawn, given you perform good sterile procedures in the SAB.
Mad Season's tek helped me out a lot, as I'm a very visual learner. Take a look! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21889950/fpart/1/vc/1
Hey psilo, thanks again. Unfortunately I did use an ms syringe cause I didn't have the materials for agar at the time. Just bought some agar flakes the other day and I plan on trying pasty plates. I know that when you use ms it's a gamble every time cause you don't know what type of genetics you're going to get. I was just hoping there was something I can improve on. I'm drying some of fruits right now and I'm a bit disappointed in my yield. I hope agar will change that.
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