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My first monotub!
    #22327737 - 10/03/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys, long time lurker here. I've been growing on and off for a couple of years now. I just recently got into bulk and now I'm (hopefully) about to start my first mono.

My plan is to spawn 4qts of rye berries to one brick of coir, 2 quarts of verm and a cup of gypsum.  I'm gathering the last of my supplies now, just wanted to post some pics of my spawn before I open the jars.  For the most part they look good but it looks like some of the rye isn't completely colonized since the mycelium is so thin. Any thoughts?







I plan to update this thread as my grow progresses. Any help is much appreciated, thanks guys!


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
    #22327743 - 10/03/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Everything there looks completely colonized.


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22327760 - 10/03/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the quick response! Really wasn't sure about that rye berry stuck to the glass on the top of the jar


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
    #22327768 - 10/03/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The one with the mycelium exploding out of it?  Pretty sure it's fine. :lol:


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22328047 - 10/03/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

I love when grains do that. :cool:


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22328209 - 10/03/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Looks good to me too ESP! I have 3-4 looking the same way. The 4th jar I have still needs to finish up a small spot on the bottom...hoping it does that in next 48 hours. If I only have 3 ready 2 days from now I guess I'll use a half brick of coir and 1 cup of verm. I'm pushing to have some  finished by 10/29 and don't have time for a deep substrate to colonize.

What size tub do you plan to use? Most teks I see call for 4-6 qts spawn with a whole brick. By doing a 1:2 ration here I guess I only expect one good flush maybe but that's ok...I have more jars coming along. I just can't figure out what size tub to get a 3-3.5" sub depth with.

There's suppose to be a spawn calculator to help with tub size but one I googled had big warning thing pop up saying I was infected with malware and needed to call a certain # :rolleyes:


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: BlueIndian]
    #22328386 - 10/03/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks guys! :grin:

I was planning on following Frank's mono tek since it's so noob friendly. I'm gonna use a 66 qt. I have to double check the tek but I think he makes his holes at the 4 inch mark. I've also heard of some people filling their qt jars with water and then dumping it into the tub so they know how many qts of spawn/sub to use in their particular tub.


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
    #22328445 - 10/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks guys! :grin:

I was planning on following Frank's mono tek since it's so noob friendly. I'm gonna use a 66 qt. I have to double check the tek but I think he makes his holes at the 4 inch mark. I've also heard of some people filling their qt jars with water and then dumping it into the tub so they know how many qts of spawn/sub to use in their particular tub.




You can't go wrong with Frank's. I prefer to use water to measure my tubs.  When doing mono's I stay with a 2:1 sub to spawn ratio. When using this method you want to use exact parts, don't count a 3/4 colonized jar as 1 quart, it is 3/4. I use 6 3/4 filled quarts per mono, so that's technically 4 1/2 spawn quarts. I use 9 total quarts of substrate. 13.5 quarts into your tub will give you pretty close sub level depth. Don't make your holes right at sub level. I like to place them 1/2-3/4'' above. :cheers:


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22328554 - 10/03/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Remember ESP you want the bottom of the holes to be at sub level. If using a hole saw the bit needs to be up higher so the hole is in right place. Think the last mono I did was an 18 gal and but the bit in at 4.5" from the bottom so the bottom of the hole was right at 3 1/4"? That tub someone had some PF jars they couldn't finish and I didn't want to set up a SGF so crumbled it all up and bulked it...think we had 20 half pints in that one.

Ismkgrbud...thanks for clarifying that about the qts. I see alot of ppl use 6 qts but I know there is space in the jars so wondered if they meant 6 jars or 6 full qts!? Mine are only like 2/3 full...so I'll either be using 3-4 of those for a small mini right now as I have to get the tub mixed within next 2 days. I wonder too can you tape tyvek over the holes rather than use polyfill?


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: BlueIndian]
    #22328848 - 10/03/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ismkgrbud...thanks for clarifying that about the qts. I see alot of ppl use 6 qts but I know there is space in the jars so wondered if they meant 6 jars or 6 full qts!?




I may have made made you over think things here.

If it says in a tek to use 6 qts of spawn, then use 6 jars of spawn. Don't go throwing in like 9 jars of spawn to get a total of 6 quarts. That's why I emphasized when using this method, the 2:1 sub to spawn, because I'm going by volume, not by a tek. If you're following a tek, follow the tek step by step.

The only reason I added it with fractions was for a more accurate total volume. When you're thinking of substrate depth, it just adding all of you're material into one tub, so its just adding all the parts  to a whole. That's why in total volume, we count 3/4 as 3/4.


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22329069 - 10/03/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the advice blueindian! Did you use a casing layer?


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22329107 - 10/03/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You can't go wrong with Frank's. I prefer to use water to measure my tubs.  When doing mono's I stay with a 2:1 sub to spawn ratio. When using this method you want to use exact parts, don't count a 3/4 colonized jar as 1 quart, it is 3/4. I use 6 3/4 filled quarts per mono, so that's technically 4 1/2 spawn quarts. I use 9 total quarts of substrate. 13.5 quarts into your tub will give you pretty close sub level depth. Don't make your holes right at sub level. I like to place them 1/2-3/4'' above. :cheers:




Ok cool. I always assumed that 6 qts of spawn meant 6 quart jars that were 3/4 full, not 6 qts by volume. Good to know thanks :smile:


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
    #22329173 - 10/03/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

well mine are like 2/3 full and I don't even know what size tub I'm going to use at the moment I have to go shopping so will have to do some math for the 2:1 ratio and size of tub needed...math isn't my strong point.

ESP we didn't use a casing last time but maybe should have. Had a lot of shrinkage and just got one good flush. Didn't bother dunking it for a 2nd  though. I didn't mix it so not real sure what the depth was of the sub either. I'm not qualified to tell you whether you should or shouldn't use  a casing. I will be doing several tubs soon and may case a couple and not others to see if it helps with moisture loss. Heading into winter my place will be quite dry with the heat running so I can see it may be beneficial.

EDIT...BTW ESP we did Damions 50/50 coir tek last time and I like going that route. Other times I've tried to pasteurize in a pillow case it was always too wet. Good luck brotha!


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: BlueIndian]
    #22329197 - 10/03/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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DIT...BTW ESP we did Damions 50/50 coir tek last time and I like going that route. Other times I've tried to pasteurize in a pillow case it was always too wet. Good luck brotha!




Y'all are killing me...  I could just let it slide but then it gets said more, next thing you know somebody's lookiing for the 50/50 tek and they dig up this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1271642#1271642


Look at the search results for 50/50.  Already half of them are damion5050's Coir tek, and the other half are questions about the actual 50/50 tek.

Being anti-confusion, it's hard to let it slide.  Maybe it's damion's fault for choosing that username in the first place. :lol:


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22329344 - 10/03/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:rofl: I see it everywhere.


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: jbaby007]
    #22329362 - 10/03/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I was too late I guess, I didn't even realize how bad the problem was until I performed that search.  Far too late...

That highlights EXACTLY why it's important though.  See those vague threads with topics like "50/50 tek" that have a question like "Is oyster shell good to use for this?"  and then a TC confirms that it is?

I don't think I really have to explain.


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22329414 - 10/03/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think I'm going to properly pasteurize my sub since it's my first time with a mono. I know it's hard for coir to contam but I'd rather be safe than sorry. I'm also going to be adding a casing once it's fully colonized. I'll post some pics once I spawn the tub


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: ESPdude]
    #22329480 - 10/03/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You're not making yourself any safer by pasteurizing coir.  It literally.. doesn't matter.  My coir tek that I use exclusively is closer to sterilization and it performs great.  Coir does not have beneficial bacteria that you can preserve, which is the goal of pasteurization.    There's nothing to save by staying under 175F.

Now, say you wanna do it for practice, go for it!  But don't do it because you're paranoid, that's nonsensical.


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22329632 - 10/03/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Post pics ill be doing my first monotubs soon too.  Great info hete thanks good luck


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Re: My first monotub! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22329797 - 10/03/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Coir does not have beneficial bacteria that you can preserve, which is the goal of pasteurization.    There's nothing to save by staying under 175F.



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