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Shroomeries view on intervention
#22327508 - 10/03/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So i read through that thread that dxm ben made here(can't remember his name, might have just been ben from intervention) and i gotta say he said some stupid shit.
But one thing he said that caught my attention has made the show very difficult for me to watch.(i honestly love this show, as terrible as that is) He said something to the effect that it's fucked up that the paperwork the subjects of the show sign is legally binding. If they need an intervention then clearly they aren't in the right mind to be filling out such documents.(terrible summary i know)
Does shroomery overall think these documents are fair and should be as binding as they are, or do you think its kind of a shady situation and instances like this, idk where im going with this .
Yeah idk how to approach this, just trying to see what you guys think. It's an all around fucked up scenario. Do i think ben had grounds to sue? Fuck no. Do i think it's fair the way they get signed into the show and give permission for all the footage gathered? Fuck no. What do you think?
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
Edited by LuSiD enthusiast (10/03/15 10:19 AM)
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I already know this thread is gonna die fast. i flat out can not articutate(intentional misspelling) my thoughts on this one.
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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luvdemboomers
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pretty sure ben was a troll
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Re: Shroomeries view on intervention [Re: luvdemboomers]
#22327532 - 10/03/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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He was legit.
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Re: Shroomeries view on intervention [Re: shLong]
#22327583 - 10/03/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Even if he was a troll that point that got brought up, makes me think of the show entirely different now and it makes me wonder.
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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The show isn't there to make you look good. You sign up, you know what you're signing up for, and if not, you really should and no one should be held liable for the image they portray of you. You're the one who was stupid enough to think there was going to be any kind of positive spin on it.
Really can't have much sympathy for you if you sign papers stating the show can follow you around and film you. What good can you really expect to come from some show based around showing the downsides of addiction? Why would you even want to broadcast something like that to the world? I'm an addict myself, I don't need the whole country watching me on television and making judgements on me... I already feel shameful enough.
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I think the concept of an intervention is fatally flawed and I think the dickless fucks at the show Intervention have substantially harmed the drug treatment culture in America.
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Re: Shroomeries view on intervention [Re: Shroomslip]
#22327633 - 10/03/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you're an addict yourself you should know the insanity of addiction, and how signing those papers and all that has little to no meaning at the time you do it. When I was in the doldrums of my addiction, literally nothing mattered anymore. When addiction has swallowed a person up, logic and future planning go out the window a lot of the time. I believe that during such insanity, one may not be culpable for legally binding documents such as the slime at Intervention make you sign to be on their shit show. But that aside, how can you not feel sorry for these people?
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Re: Shroomeries view on intervention [Re: abltsandwich]
#22327635 - 10/03/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wanna know what the paperwork looks like before the show starts. Do they promise money at the end of filming? I just can't see the incentive to sign on.
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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I cant really have much say in this, I've only been addicted to kratom, (get horribly stuffy head and runny nose on it, like snot down to my knees, never really dabbled with opiates, this is the only substance I've done with much addiction potential) but I've watched my friends become addicted to come and adderall and alcohol, and literally the one thing in common they all have is they don't give a fuck about anything.
That may say more about their personality, but i can't help but feel like they are easy targets for scamming and fucking over. Hell my adderall addicted friend let three total thug gangsters climb in his car, took them to the mobile store let them take 3 phones out in his name and they split. Now he's stuck paying the bills. He was living off plasma donations at the time.
I honestly think it's safe to say if you are addicted you CANNOT think straight. They should still be held responsible since it's a self inflicted incident.
Idk once again i hit a point in this topic i really can't articulate on. Do i feel sympathy for them? Yes. Do the people who take advantage of them deserve some punishment? I honestly think so, but thats a tough argument and a slippery slope to argue for so idk.
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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Re: Shroomeries view on intervention [Re: abltsandwich] 1
#22327665 - 10/03/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: If you're an addict yourself you should know the insanity of addiction, and how signing those papers and all that has little to no meaning at the time you do it. When I was in the doldrums of my addiction, literally nothing mattered anymore. When addiction has swallowed a person up, logic and future planning go out the window a lot of the time. I believe that during such insanity, one may not be culpable for legally binding documents such as the slime at Intervention make you sign to be on their shit show. But that aside, how can you not feel sorry for these people?
I'm an addict, not stupid. I'm perfectly capable of analyzing a situation. Addiction doesn't mean I'm oblivious to my actions or the consequences of those actions, it means I choose to feed my addiction instead of avoiding consequences.
If I chose to sign those papers, I know exactly what is going to happen. They are going to make me and my addiction look as bad as possible. No one wants to watch those shows to see the addict grow and get better, they want to feel better about themselves by casting judgement on the addict and how much of a worthless person he is because he doesn't just stop.
There might be a few out there literally so strung out they wouldn't know the difference, but that number is going to be very low. Addicts don't make poor decisions because they can't understand the situation, they do it because the drug is more important than any consequence they may face.
I can feel bad for them for being an addict, I cannot feel bad for them for consciously making a choice like that. Short of just wanting to be on TV I can't even imagine what positives someone might see in something like that.
EDIT: If you think I don't care about TV shows taking advantage of people like this just for ratings and money, I do. But the shit wouldn't exist if people didn't sign up for it to begin with. So as far as them going out of their way to make people look bad, I really cannot fault them.
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Re: Shroomeries view on intervention [Re: Shroomslip]
#22327702 - 10/03/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is your addiction like then? I don't think I've met too many people who are thoroughly addicted to something that really give a fuck about much, such as signing on a TV show like that. The show assumes the disease model of addiction, and one facet of the disease is the mental aspect. Who is to say that someone in the depths of an addiction is truly competent in regards to legally binding documents when the disease from which they suffer affects their ability to make rational decisions?
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I like to watch the show and see people get fuckeddd up.
The junkies are pretty entertaining and so are the huffers. The alchys are all depressed usually.
The first half is the fun part. The "he was such a good boy" backround story and intervention are seldomly as fun.
I often find myself hoping the addict denies treatment because i feel like interventions are kinda fucked up.
The outro music is kinda depressing.
I grew up with a kid who ended up on the show as a heroin addict.
Overall its an ok show. Thats about it.
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Re: Shroomeries view on intervention [Re: Apostle]
#22327728 - 10/03/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Apostle said: I like to watch the show and see people get fuckeddd up.
The junkies are pretty entertaining and so are the huffers. The alchys are all depressed usually.
The first half is the fun part. The "he was such a good boy" backround story and intervention are seldomly as fun.
I often find myself hoping the addict denies treatment because i feel like interventions are kinda fucked up.
The outro music is kinda depressing.
I grew up with a kid who ended up on the show as a heroin addict.
Overall its an ok show. Thats about it.
You kinda summed up how i view it.
Kinda a trashy way to view it imo, but it really does have great entertainment value. Just at a fucked up expense.
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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Re: Shroomeries view on intervention [Re: abltsandwich]
#22327765 - 10/03/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: What is your addiction like then? I don't think I've met too many people who are thoroughly addicted to something that really give a fuck about much, such as signing on a TV show like that. The show assumes the disease model of addiction, and one facet of the disease is the mental aspect. Who is to say that someone in the depths of an addiction is truly competent in regards to legally binding documents?
Hopeless alcoholic. Trying and failing to get it under control. Have been deep into it for years. 12+ beers and a half liter of straight liquor a day, minimum. Often the liquor was a full 750ml.
I didn't give a fuck about much about anything, except drinking all day and night. Didn't care I'm steaming full speed ahead into liver failure and early death, which is pretty much the last stop for "not caring". If you can't even care about dying, there's really not much else you're likely to give a shit about.
Even in the depths of my addiction, fully black out blasted, I'd know better than to sign up to something like that. I've done some pretty stupid shit on alcohol and for alcohol, but that is one I know I'd never do. Even when I couldn't form coherent sentences, I'd know that going on a TV show about drug addiction would be nothing but bad news. It took me a long time to even admit I'm an alcoholic, I wouldn't go on some TV show about addiction when I'm still trying to live in denial about it.
More in line with the person we're discussing, I was also hooked on triple c's for a couple of years. I was up to taking 2+ boxes every single time (I would say day, but the high often lasted more than 24 hours, the peak alone when I was doing them constantly was up to 8-16 hours). I had a lot of delusions while on it and had a hard time even forming coherent thoughts, still I was ashamed of it and would never have agreed to have it broadcasted. I know because I wouldn't really even tell anyone what I was doing. If I'm not going to tell people close to me, why am I going to go on national television about it?
Even earlier I was addicted to huffing gas and other inhalants. Probably for a couple years. The gas became an everyday all day thing as well. That sent me to extremes even further than the previous two, and STILL I hid it. Gas fucked me up so bad, I spent over a year trying recover from it. I have always been a well spoken thought filled person. After I quit gas, I stuttered on every word and couldn't form anything close to an intellectual thought. I suffered severe brain damage from it. It took a lot of practice and work to even get where I am today, and I still am kind of fucked by it. I got rid of the stutter, but still get hung up on words quite often. Especially when I'm angry or otherwise excited. I often have to think out my entire sentence and repeat it a few times in my head before I say it.
I know about addiction and what it does to you at many different levels.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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