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Asante
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: Masked]
#22328408 - 10/03/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Masked, who are you to judge them? For plenty of people, due to personal reasons, stocking up a supermarket or cooking fast food is the extent to which they han work.
They may be traumatized, have disabilities, vexing situations in their life or they might simply have a below average intelligence and require clear and dependable circumstances.
I rarely eat fast food but if I go for a burger I want it to be made well by someone who likes their job and is motivated to be good at it. I also like that person to make a decent wage, so I know they can support their households well. Is that too european of me?
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: Asante]
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Much too European. Here in Amurika we like our fast food to be made by people who hate their job.
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: Asante]
#22328434 - 10/03/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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@ people being good and motivated to make your fast food hamburger.
Your patty has probably a 20% chance of having hit the floor, condiments and vegetables have been walked on all day by flies and held at unsafe temps bun toasted in a machine that's at least 20 years old and has more gunk and grime than a 20 year old car in it and the person who put it all together has been picking trash up off the floor, scratching his ass, wiping the sweat off his face never once washing his hands and to top it all off, does not give one shit about your burger.
No one is sitting back there enthusiastically making burgers.
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: Asante]
#22328443 - 10/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: Masked, who are you to judge them? For plenty of people, due to personal reasons, stocking up a supermarket or cooking fast food is the extent to which they han work.
They may be traumatized, have disabilities, vexing situations in their life or they might simply have a below average intelligence and require clear and dependable circumstances.
I rarely eat fast food but if I go for a burger I want it to be made well by someone who likes their job and is motivated to be good at it. I also like that person to make a decent wage, so I know they can support their households well. Is that too european of me?
The first two made me feel bad. Im working on it
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: Asante]
#22328447 - 10/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Many people are content with low paying jobs and to them it's just means of money to live. Not everyone making min wage is a "loser" that's a pretty twisted outlook.
That being said... yes flipping burgers doesn't deserve high pay but many fast food places are extremely fast paced and under staffed. I've had jobs busting ass for 12 hours straight that pay 7.25 an hour without time for a lunch break. I do think those types of positions are underpaid. Though I don't think the government should step in and make employers pay more.
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: Shroomism]
#22328452 - 10/03/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Much too European. Here in Amurika we like our fast food to be made by people who hate their job.

Asante, who am I to judge? I'm human. We judge.
I like the cat that doesn't piss on my floor vs the cat that does
Just like I think more highly of a young man who went through shit jobs with a smile on his face, worked his ass until he thought he was close to death by exhaustion...and climbed the mother fucking mountain himself, with a backbone and determination to get what he wanted. You appreciate the view from the top a lot more after you have been through the valleys
These punks just want to be spoon fed. Still partially attached to mommy's boob in the metaphorical sense
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: Asante] 1
#22328458 - 10/03/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Facts are not attitudes.
Dismissively calling people who for whatever reason have to rely on minimum wage "total losers" has nothing to do with facts and everything with being judgemental. Its a kick in the nuts for people, no doubt more than a few members are in this category, who are down on their luck for whatever reason.
If someone fails to thrive in their career it doesnt mean they are inferior as human beings or that their work contribution is irrelevant. If everybody on minimum wage would stop working at once it would be a crisis, society depends on this underpaid segment of the workforce.
And yes I say underpaid because whatever a person does in a country with a living standard like the USA, even if its the stereotypical fast food job - is WORTH MORE THAN $9 AN HOUR.
I was referring to the link. Did you read it? Almost nobody works for minimum wage and they are largely kids living at home. I am fully aware that my opinion that people who work for minimum wage after a certain period of time are losers is just my opinion but I would love to hear a rebuttal to that. They are inferior as workers. Losers. They have the same rights as anybody else. Their work contribution is shit. They will be replaced by robots. McDonalds could very easily autoomate at least half of its production system. What do you thnk happenede to autoworker jibs? The auto unions priced themselves into competing with robots. I bet McDs is already working on robotics. I sure would be. Do you know now much $9 an hour nets when you work 0 hours?
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: Patlal]
#22328461 - 10/03/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My rent is less than every amount on that chart and I live in a 3 bedroom house.... I live in the middle of nowhere, usa though.
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: chicksgrowtoo]
#22328479 - 10/03/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is kinda the issue vis a vis federal minimum wage. You live in Podunk Idaho your rent is shit. You live in downtown Manhattan it is so atronomical you need a telescope to see it.
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: Shroomslip]
#22328481 - 10/03/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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@ people being good and motivated to make your fast food hamburger.
Your patty has probably a 20% chance of having hit the floor, condiments and vegetables have been walked on all day by flies and held at unsafe temps bun toasted in a machine that's at least 20 years old and has more gunk and grime than a 20 year old car in it and the person who put it all together has been picking trash up off the floor, scratching his ass, wiping the sweat off his face never once washing his hands and to top it all off, does not give one shit about your burger.
No one is sitting back there enthusiastically making burgers.
You stop judging him just because he wants his burger made by spongebob.
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: chicksgrowtoo] 1
#22328497 - 10/03/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no rebuttle. You are basing weather people are loosers on weather they are good workers, which is a lame position on people
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: luvdemboomers]
#22328498 - 10/03/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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luvdemboomers I do think those types of positions are underpaid. Though I don't think the government should step in and make employers pay more.
If the government doesn't step in and make employers pay more by way of minimum wage, then it's the government that has to pay for their food stamps and housing. That has a huge societal cost. Taxes. Ironic republicans don't want to pay taxes or decent wages...
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specialpeopleclub said: There is no rebuttle. You are basing weather people are loosers on weather they are good workers, which is a lame position on people
Is that directed at me? It's called a joke...
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Asante
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I want the one who cleans this

to earn more than $9 an hour
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zappaisgod
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specialpeopleclub said: There is no rebuttle. You are basing weather people are loosers on weather they are good workers, which is a lame position on people
Like I said. Drunk.
If you are in the workforce more than 3 months and are still making minimum you are a fucking loser
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: chicksgrowtoo]
#22328525 - 10/03/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said:
@ people being good and motivated to make your fast food hamburger.
Your patty has probably a 20% chance of having hit the floor, condiments and vegetables have been walked on all day by flies and held at unsafe temps bun toasted in a machine that's at least 20 years old and has more gunk and grime than a 20 year old car in it and the person who put it all together has been picking trash up off the floor, scratching his ass, wiping the sweat off his face never once washing his hands and to top it all off, does not give one shit about your burger.
No one is sitting back there enthusiastically making burgers.
You stop judging him just because he wants his burger made by spongebob.
He needs to learn! There are no fucking spongebobs.
While we're on the subject, the lunch/dinner rush is actually the worst time to ever go to a fast food place. Most people seem to assume it's better, even if the wait is a little longer because it's all "fresher". The only thing that's true for is the meat patties. Everything else has been sitting out forever. In that respect the best time is actually the morning. Though there is another factor, during the rush, people cut corners like mad and scramble to get the food out. The slow parts of the day are the only time anyone's taking even the slightest amount of care in constructing your burger.
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: zappaisgod]
#22328533 - 10/03/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you are in the workforce more than 3 months and are still making minimum you are a fucking loser
What does that mean? Someone fails to rise above minimum so? Look down on them? Disrespect them? Why? All you know of them is that they make minimum wage.
Thats like saying that all millionaires are bastards.
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When a corporation makes and rapes as much as McDonald's or taco bell, why shouldn't the employees get a fair piece of the pie? There's millions and millions of dollars to spare at the top. It's because some people (the rich especially) think they've outsmarted life and they deserve more and are entitled to more. The poor people think they're entitled to more than debt and Medicaid
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: When a corporation makes and rapes as much as McDonald's or taco bell, why shouldn't the employees get a fair piece of the pie? There's millions and millions of dollars to spare at the top. It's because some people (the rich especially) think they've outsmarted life and they deserve more and are entitled to more. The poor people think they're entitled to more than debt and Medicaid
Isn't expecting more than minimum wage for flipping burgers thinking you deserve more and are entitled to more in the same way that the rich people think they are?
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Re: No wonder you guys are broke all the time.... [Re: Patlal]
#22328566 - 10/03/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you flip burgers and its fairly busy well over a 100 pattys get done in an hour, while you fry fries and whatnot. This represents food money coming in of several 100 dollars.
Why should the cook only get a $9 cut out of that?
This isnt the 90s anymore, $9 is not what it used to be.
Raise minimum wage.
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